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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:51 PM
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NYT: Evangelicals Blame Foley, Not the G.O.P.
Evangelicals Blame Foley, Not the G.O.P.
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: October 9, 2006

VIRGINIA BEACH, Oct. 7 As word of Representative Mark Foleys sexually explicit e-mail messages to former pages spread last week, Republican strategists worried and Democrats hoped that the sordid nature of the scandal would discourage conservative Christians from going to the polls.

But in dozens of interviews here in southeastern Virginia, a conservative Christian stronghold that is a battleground in races for the House and Senate, many said the episode only reinforced their reasons to vote for their two Republican incumbents in neck-and-neck re-election fights, Representative Thelma Drake and Senator George Allen.

This is Foleys lifestyle, said Ron Gwaltney, a home builder, as he waited with his family outside a Christian rock concert last Thursday in Norfolk. He tried to keep it quiet from his family and his voters. He is responsible for what he did. He is paying a price for what he did. I am not sure how much farther it needs to go.

The Democratic Party is the party that is tolerant of, maybe more so than Republicans, that lifestyle, Mr. Gwaltney said, referring to homosexuality.

Most of the evangelical Christians interviewed said that so far they saw Mr. Foleys behavior as a matter of personal morality, not institutional dysfunction.

All said the question of broader responsibility had quickly devolved into a storm of partisan charges and countercharges. And all insisted the episode would have little impact on their intentions to vote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/09/us/politics/09conserv...
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:55 PM
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1. More proof that the "evangelicals" addressed in the article have
no idea what it is to be Christian, moral, religious, pious, humane.

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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:45 PM
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17. This entire thing is only going to make
gays look worse, I'm afraid. And that's a shame.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:10 AM
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31. They Also Don't Know the Difference Between Criminal Behavior
with sexual predators preying on children, and a committed adult relationship, or even a transitory adult relationship, like Monica and Bill.

Their minds are closed. Their hearts are closed. They cannot recognize or deal with reality; they are intolerant, prejudiced, ignorant, and stubborn about it.

Natural selection is going to wipe them out (and the sooner, the better!)
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:55 PM
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2. that's not
what the data is suggesting nationally.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:57 PM
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4. it's Virginia
Virginia Beach even - "700 Club Country"

praise Alienne I got out of there long ago.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:08 PM
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11. I think
they likely talked to the more politically active. We are peeling off some evangelicals. Remember, just peeling off a few makes a huge difference in close elections.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:30 PM
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23. As usual, the Evangelicals get it back wards..
As an organization, the GOP represents itself as the Party of Family Values.
Apparently, families, are at the bottom of their list of Values, hypocrisy and denial at the top.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:56 PM
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3. These are those some of the people all of the time folks
that Mr. Lincoln was talking about.
And besides, this is a ho mo sex u al thang, and Foley was actually a Dem O crat.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:03 PM
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7. Yes, Perkins said Foley was indicative of the left
LMAO
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 09:58 PM
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5. So it is okay for Republican Party to be more tolerant of pedophiles
Someone should had asked if he would allow his kids to be a page for anyone that the Republican know to be a pedophile?

How does he justify trusting an organization that would do that?
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:52 PM
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19. the world in black and white
don't try to use logic on this--true 'believers' don't act based on logic or fact, they rely on emotion and belief, everything is reduced to black or white, good or bad.
--If it were that life would be so simple.

In truth it's but a lazy man's vice
At best, a poor man's need

And it's George W's modus operandi. Just like people who go into battle believing their faith will make them bullet proof.

Your don't hear their story much because they all end up dead.

Sooner or later, and it seems later now for George W, reality comes crashing in usually in a very hard and unforgiving way--like a bullet into the imaginary 'impenetrable' field.

Blind faith may be comforting, but it sure as hell is short lived.

The rapture is here you say?

Oh yes it is baby, get ready...cause your gonna wake up in a totally different world, real soon.

You may think it's heaven or you may say it's hell--it all depends on how you see it.

If you only see darkness and live in hate and fear, you will probably find yourself in hell.

Let go of the darkness, free yourself from fear, heaven awaits.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:01 PM
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6. The Religious Right institutions know they face loss of power
if they hold the party accountable. I got a message from Perkins at the Family Research Council. He said Foley was indicative of the left's attack on decency. What a spin.

They have loved that power and don't want to lose it.

Voters know differently.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:03 PM
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8. I agree. The voters are smarter than the evangelists.
The Religious Right has way too much to lose when the Repugs are out of power.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:03 PM
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9. What else can we expect from the "Jesus Camp" fanatics?
They want their Jesusland now, and they all believe that Bush is Gawd's anointed one.

People that reject reason can not be expected to behave rationally.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:04 PM
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10. Typical. They blame the Dems for Clinton's affair,
and blame Foley for his pedophelia. Sounds about right. Do you have to be gray-matter challenged to be an evangelical? Or is it just a bonus?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:13 AM
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32. It's the Coverup--Enabling Foley to Go On Stalking Youth
He couldn't do it if the GOP did their job!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:19 PM
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34. Covering for Political Gain is A-OK; Covering personal guilt-unforgivable
Another twist on the Christian ethic of forgiveness.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:11 PM
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12. There's good news!
There's only 33% of them.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:14 PM
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13. Fuck 'em
Brainwashed sanctimonious holier-than-thou zealots.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:15 PM
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14. Sadly, many Christians are locked in to the GOP.
Doesn't matter what any Republican does, they will still vote for them and give money to them no matter what.

They don't have any desire to think.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:19 PM
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15. "Foley is a fag, Democrats love fags."
Evangelical Republicans are morons.

Any questions?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:26 PM
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16. Then it's time for O'Donnell to tell what he knows about Denny.
And his roommate. He could barely keep it in this morning as it was.

The Evangelicals think it's the evil gays who do this........tell them the truth about the Republicans they revere.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:45 PM
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18. I read that some gays stayed in the GOP for reasons
They hoped to change the party to accept gays as they got to know them.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 10:57 PM
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20. Yeah. Zebras tried that with lions 50000 years ago.
:eyes:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:05 PM
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21. They call that "compartmentalization."
And when Clinton was in office, they thought it was morally craven. Oh, how times change.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:30 PM
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22. This article doesn't make "Evangelicals" look very moral. (nt)
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jseankil Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-08-06 11:33 PM
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24. They blame Foley for the GOP Coverup? /nm
nm
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:09 AM
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25. Candidate for this month's "You Call This NEWS?" award
What does his religion have do with it, anyway? Oh, I get it--since he's gay, he can't possibly be Christian. Never mind that a child predator is a child predator.

:headbang:
rocknation
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:16 AM
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26. Institutional dysfunction
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 12:17 AM by depakid
is what this is all about- and the Democrats' repeated failures to nationalize their campaigns, paint Repblicans for what they are- and draw strong contrasts between the parites may yet come back to haunt them.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:18 AM
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27. Not surprised. Someone will tell these brainwashed morans about
how Allen broke the law:

Allen didn't disclose stock options
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

and we all know they'll blame 'Lib'ruls' for passing such a 'commie' rule (no matter if it would be true or false). For them, their 'perceptions' could never be wrong, even if their newly installed dicktatorturer was eating babies on the WH lawn with Foley, they would still blame the Clenis for it.

Secession, anyone? :hi:
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:17 AM
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28. You can't tell someone the truth when they are on such powerful
Mind altering substances such as the evangelical born again Kristian Kool-Aid Koncoction. It's sad to watch how they are so unwilling to look at the truth or consider that corruption has been rife in this that they will not see facts and will not somehow use it as a rallying point for their side.

I have to admit, I wish I had a mind controlling substance like that at my disposal, it'd be great to be able to rule a bunch of sheep who are completely unable to think for themselves or question the leadership. Then again, the bible tells them to not question their leaders, I've been informed of that gem more than a few times.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:23 AM
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29. I wonder what
Ron Gwaltney of Gwaltney Building. Corp. in Virginia Beach would say if someone abused his children and others knew and kept quiet about it. I wish someone would ask him THAT question.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:35 AM
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30. but since are tolerant of this 'lifestye"---they are to blame:


...The Democratic Party is the party that is tolerant of, maybe more so than Republicans, that lifestyle, Mr. Gwaltney said, referring to homosexuality.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:13 PM
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33. Of course! The Evangelicals will never leave the GOP.
They are power hungry opportunists.
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Nebraska_Liberal Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:20 PM
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35. I like the Oscar Wilde quote:
"You can not reason a man out of a position that he has not reasoned himself into."
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carzen Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:23 PM
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36. just more religious right delusions
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