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mourningdove92 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:37 PM
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Republican Senator calls Bush Adm Irresponsible Over Uraniumgate
Bush's 16 words still hotly debated

WASHINGTON (CNN) --A Republican senator said Sunday it is "irresponsible" for the Bush administration to assign responsibility to CIA Director George Tenet for the State of the Union claim that Iraq tried to obtain uranium in Africa.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN's "Late Edition" the intelligence flap "is bigger, wider, deeper than just about one person."

"To just throw George Tenet's body from the train and say, 'That takes care of the problem,' I don't think is the way to do this," Hagel said.

Hagel pointed to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell and Vice President Dick Cheney as part of the process that led to Bush including the report in the annual presidential address.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/20/sprj.irq.wmd.investigation/


woo hoo....pretty amazing stuff.

:kick:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:40 PM
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1. Whoa! Pretty amazing!
Anyone have a smilie for 'stupified'?

:)

LeftCoast
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:41 PM
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2. way to go Hagel
Hagel was against the war, he ridiculed Richard Perle.

Hagel is an internationalist, in the same camp as Scowcroft, they along with the CIA, the uniformed miltary are against the neo-cons.

The (non DLC) DEMS have plenty of allies, if they will just go after this cabal.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:42 PM
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3. Hagel sees a possible Repug nomination for POTUS in it for him...
He's seeing the beginning of the end for the cabal, and is positioning himself for the repug nomination...
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:50 PM
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7. Of course, I would vote for the Democratic candidate
against Hagel, but I think we should support his accusations against Bush.

I would be unhappy with Hagel as president, but I would not have the panicked feeling I have now. And I know that some of you are prepared to move to Canada if the Republicans take over the U.S. totally, but I think if the Republicans succeed in doing that, it will be a matter of time until they cripple Canada financially just as they crippled California.
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:54 PM
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8. Strictly based on foreign policy
and foreign policy is THE ISSUE, since the neo-con cabal WILL drag the US into a world war.......i honestly think Hagel is just as safe as "some" of the democratic nominees. If we are going to invade Iran and Syria....i dont care too much in comparison about domestic issues.

Dean is our best hope.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:44 PM
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4. Hagel has the BBV hook-up and plans to be prez
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 11:51 PM by Melinda
He registered Hagel2008.com and ChuckHagel2008.com months ago, and at one time he purchased domain name "Bush-Hagel2004.com (it's history now).

He smells opportunity.

*edited to add link to Bev Harris site with copies of WHOIS
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:45 PM
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5. Freepers
The Freepers HATE Hagel.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:37 AM
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23. Freepers hate any moderate Repub that they can't kick
out of the party. And those are the Repubs (what's left of them) whom most sane people truly respect.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:46 PM
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6. And Hastert blames Clinton
<<But House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, said on "Meet the Press" that President Clinton launched a four-day bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998 based on the same evidence.

"He didn't give a speech about it, he just did it," Hastert said.>>

I wish I could ask Hastert these question:

How many U.S. soldiers died?

How much money did the bombing cost?

How many allies did we insult and alienate?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 06:04 AM
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19. Hastert doesn't have a clue
I'm surprised that the Dems haven't mugged this crock shucker yet.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:38 AM
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24. When nothing else will do--Blame Clinton!!
It's the standard M.O., and it's incredibly weak.
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julka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 11:54 PM
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9. did he vote for open hearings? did ANY pug senator?
wasn't it 51-45 against?

51 pugsenators.

so if any pugs voted for, that could mean some dems voted against.

who has the count; anybody?
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:21 AM
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11. I saw it posted
It was a straight party line vote. 4 dems did not vote. I know one was Zell(surprise, surprise)and It hink lieberman was also shown not voting, but forget the other two.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 12:50 AM
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10. Amazing
It's just amazing to observe the little manuevers of the cabal in which Hagel is a major operative.

So what is this little boom-er-lie-ang here? Hagel's name is going to come up in the next spiking scandal for his role in the clever counting voting machines and now they have him dishing out some criticism. It just couldn't be...ah...to put distance between the cabal who made the decision to count votes their way and the person who was selected to profit from their new math. Could it?
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:19 AM
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16. what are you saying?
It is purely tactically, not sincere. his criticism meant to throw us off? Is that what you are saying?
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Dirty Hippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:47 AM
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12. Is this true?
"But House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, said on "Meet the Press" that President Clinton launched a four-day bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998 based on the same evidence." That is evidence of a reconstituted nuclear weapons program?

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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 01:54 AM
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13. One of the War Party's current strategies is to blur
past and future. As if Iraq has had one status of its weapons program from 1980-2003. As if it didn't change with the times.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 02:36 AM
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14. If * has pissed off Hegel he's really in trouble
Doesn't Hegel own the company that makes all the Voting Machinez???
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Alex88 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:15 AM
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15. Senator Hagel is also a (Vietnam) War veteran
Unlike President AWOL and his administration save, Secretary Powell.
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Byronic Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 05:03 AM
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17. Plus,
Hagel was one of the few Republican senators to buck the trend and firmly support John McCain against Bush in 2000.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 09:30 AM
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22. Rummy
served in the Navy
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:48 AM
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26. I think it was Navy Reserve
but I could be mistaken.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 05:47 AM
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18. This is good, but
there is that funny connection to ES&S (the voting machine company). HMMMMMMM.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 06:48 AM
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20. Kick
Way to go Hagel. Nice to see a Repug standing up to the BFEE...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 08:19 AM
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21. Now it can't be labeled "partisan politics"
Hagel's been speaking out against the admin. like this for over a week and yet many in the media were still calling it partisan. The Dems need to throw out Hagel's name any time someone tries to label it as such...
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 10:40 AM
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25. It's so much more important than partisan politics. I hate to see
Dems belittle Hagel or suspect some ulterior motive. There are a few politicians left who actually care about country first. (Granted, not many...)
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jeffreys14b Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:00 AM
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27. Hagel won 2002 re-election with 80% + votes
He's wildly popular, obviously. And he's been known as a maverick for as long as he's been in office.

While it's refreshing to see a rational Republican, I have to remind myself he's the opposition.
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slack Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:12 AM
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29. ever heard of voting machines?
<...>
Back when Hagel first ran there for the U.S. Senate in 1996, his company's computer-controlled voting machines showed he'd won stunning upsets in both the primaries and the general election. The Washington Post (1/13/1997) said Hagel's "Senate victory against an incumbent Democratic governor was the major Republican upset in the November election." According to Bev Harris of www.blackboxvoting.com, Hagel won virtually every demographic group, including many largely Black communities that had never before voted Republican. Hagel was the first Republican in 24 years to win a Senate seat in Nebraska.

Six years later Hagel ran again, this time against Democrat Charlie Matulka in 2002, and won in a landslide. As his hagel.senate.gov website says, Hagel "was re-elected to his second term in the United States Senate on November 5, 2002 with 83% of the vote. That represents the biggest political victory in the history of Nebraska."

What Hagel's website fails to disclose is that about 80 percent of those votes were counted by computer-controlled voting machines put in place by the company affiliated with Hagel. Built by that company. Programmed by that company.
<...>

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm


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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:28 AM
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30. More on Hagel's interest in ES&S
On October, 10, 2002 Bev Harris, author of the upcoming "Black Box Voting: Ballot-Tampering" in the 21st Century, revealed that Republican Senator Chuck Hagel has ties to the largest voting machine company, Election Systems & Software (ES&S). She reported that he was an owner, Chairman and CEO of Election Systems & Software (called American Information Systems until name change filed in 1997). ES&S was the ONLY company whose machines counted Hagel's votes when he ran for election in 1996 and 2002. The Hill, a Washington D.C. newspaper that covers the U.S. national political scene, confirmed her findings today and uncovered more details.

Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy, now admits that Senator Hagel still owns a beneficial interest in the ES&S parent company, the McCarthy Group. ES&S counts approximately 60 percent of all votes cast in the United States. According to the Omaha World-Herald which is also a beneficial owner of ES&S, Hagel was CEO of American Information Systems, now called ES&S, from November 1993 through June 2, 1994. He was Chairman from July 1992 until March 15 1995. He was required to disclose these positions on his FEC Personal Disclosure statements, but he did not.

Hagel still owns up to $5 million in the ES&S parent company, McCarthy Group. But Hagel's office, when interviewed by Channel 8 News in Lincoln, Nebraska for the evening news on October 22, 2002, said he had sold his shares before he was elected. His office issued a fact sheet claiming that he had made full disclosure.

Last week, Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy (currently an owner and a director of ES&S) admitted to Alexander Bolton of The Hill that Hagel is still an owner of ES&S parent company, the McCarthy Group, and said that Hagel also had owned shares in AIS Investors Inc., a group of investors in ES&S itself. Yet Hagel did not disclose owning or selling shares in AIS Investors Inc. on his FEC documents, a required disclosure, nor did he disclose that ES&S is an underlying asset of McCarthy Group, in which he lists an investment of up to $5 million in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.

Link


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hezekkia Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:03 AM
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28. ??
What does BFEE stand for? I'm new here. :+
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:31 AM
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31. Welcome to DU -- enjoy. :-)
Edited on Mon Jul-21-03 11:35 AM by Melinda
BFEE

*edited to fix link.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 11:37 AM
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32. Bush Family Evil Empire.

From Prescott's funding of the new german nazi party before WWII, to the smirking simian squatting in the white house, to his brother screwing up everything the state of florida ever stood for, to his other brother that profitted greatly by stealing from his Savings and Loan, to his OTHER brother making a killing from selling the tests that the states are now mandated to use to grade their schools.

In other words, anyone with smirks dna in their veins.
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