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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:16 AM
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Mexico Bracing for Social Unrest
Mexico Bracing for Social Unrest
Tanks are deployed as the nation awaits a ruling on who won the July 2 presidential vote.
By Hctor Tobar, Times Staff Writer
August 20, 2006


MEXICO CITY A line of armored vehicles awaits outside Mexico's Congress building. Most are brand-new and have never seen action. But many Mexicans wonder whether their menacing presence is a harbinger of this divided country's future.

Federal authorities deployed the tanks to prevent supporters of leftist presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador from shutting down Mexico's legislature in a bid to pressure the Federal Electoral Tribunal to order a full recount of all 41 million votes in the disputed July 2 presidential election.

On Monday, the first and only street battle of Mexico's election controversy erupted outside Congress when federal police arrived to disperse supporters of Lopez Obrador. A handful of lawmakers were bruised in the melee.
(snip)

Fox has suggested he won't take any action against the protesters until the tribunal confirms the winner of the election.
(snip/...)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-sta...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:21 AM
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1. There was a thread yesterday that got locked because it was from an
unreliable source (Italian source) that talked about a looming civil war over this and that US special forces were being sent in. Is there a list somewhere on DU as to which sources are reliable/unreliable?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:26 AM
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3. I'd like a look at it, also! I wonder if any of the proscribed sources
ever gain enough "respectability" to make it off the list....
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:20 PM
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12. I assume it is on an FAQ somewhere in DU's archival basement
I have found some more places to find updated news on this topic. First, there is todays daily roundup on KOS

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/20/9432/78414

and next-how about some Mexican news translated into english for some more up to date info-

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=htt...

(You can just surf via google translator)

Please share anything else you might find :)gorb
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:38 PM
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14. There's ALWAYS a locked thread here.
Long Live The RULES!

:eyes:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:23 AM
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2. Fox won't take any action against the protestors until the...
tribunal confirms Calderon the winner. I think it's a foregone conclusion they will declare him the winner the same way our SC did. The only fair solution is to declare another election but I doubt that will happen.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:46 AM
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7. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.
The tribunal called for a recount in areas that they believed AMLO made the best case for demonstrating corruption in the electoral process. The numbers that have been reported in various sources are from one camp or the other, and are frequently composite numbers (total number of votes assumed to be fraudulent); AMLO has no interest in minimizing the outcome, he's convinced that he won and it's going to be hard to demonstrate that. (Even a revote that didn't go he way could be interpreted as evidence as to how well established the system of electoral corruption in Mexico is ... rendering his view unfalsifiable.)

It'll be interesting to see how the numbers actually break down by candidate and precinct, if the tribunal releases them. Whether the tribunal calls for a further recount (not unlikely yet, but getting closer to being unlikely the drop-dead date of 9/6 approaches) I don't know. I'm going on the assumption that the numbers, the probable reasons for the divergent counts per precinct, and how the numbers interpreted, matter to the tribunal.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:18 PM
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9. .....that is a fucking shame!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:28 AM
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4. West promoting 'people power' when it suits
West promoting 'people power' when it suits

The US and the Western media back protests over controversial elections when it is convenient to their interests, but they are keeping silent about the current situation in Mexico
By Mark Almond
LONDON , THE GUARDIAN
Saturday, Aug 19, 2006,Page 9

`Apparently, crowds of protesters squatting in Mexico City for weeks protesting against alleged vote-rigging don't make a good news story.'

A couple of years ago television, radio and print media in the West just couldn't get enough of "people power." In quick succession, from Georgia's rose revolution in November 2003 and Ukraine's orange revolution a year later, to the tulip revolution in Kyrgyzstan and the cedar revolution in Lebanon, 24-hour news channels kept us up to date with democracy on a roll.

Triggered by allegations of election fraud, the dominoes toppled. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was happy with the trend.

"They're doing it in many different corners of the world, places as varied as Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan and, on the other hand, Lebanon ... And so this is a hopeful time," she said.

But when a million Mexicans try to jump on the people-power bandwagon, crying foul about the July 2 presidential elections, when protesters stage a vigil in the center of the capital that continues to this day, they meet a deafening silence in the global media.

Despite Mexico's long tradition of electoral fraud and polls suggesting that Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador -- a critic of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) -- was ahead, the media accepted the wafer-thin majority gained by the ruling party nominee, Harvard graduate Felipe Calderon.
(snip/...)

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/200...
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:11 AM
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5. If those Mexican borders get slammed shut
You will see all hell break out South of the Border...long overdue
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sevenleagueboots Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:41 AM
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6. American visits to Canada have sunk to a record low, ... stay home, honey?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:27 PM
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18. exchange rate?
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:26 PM
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19. That may have more to do with the Seal Hunt.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:24 AM
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23. When will the Mexican borders be "slammed shut"?
And how?

Hell broke out in Mexico in 1910. A million Mexicans died & immigration North increased greatly. How cavalier of you to hope for more massive bloodshed.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:43 PM
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33. I wouldn't assume so much
I'm sure nobody on here wants bloodshed. I did not get that was his intent.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 02:11 PM
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8. Interesting wording.
...On Monday, the first and only street battle of Mexico's election controversy erupted outside Congress when federal police arrived to disperse supporters of Lopez Obrador...

Revealing.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:29 PM
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10. Viva the Socialist Revolution get a good look Conservatives
Edited on Sun Aug-20-06 03:30 PM by lovuian
Mexico is right about ready to erupt into violence

Do they think tanks around the Congress is going to help???

You think Mr.Stole the election Prez Caldron that you can hold back millions???

These Conservatives have pushed it to the limit and now want violence

So be it

if Conservatives want to fight for their man let them come

but to have the Mexican military come out and fight its own people when all they want is a recount of votes for their election which was stolen

then Mexico is a military dictatorship

having your people working for 2 bucks a day in factories while you steal their oil is probably the biggest crime of them all

Conservatives need to be kicked out...take a good look Bush
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 03:47 PM
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11. This is the part that got my interest


Conservative candidate Felipe Calderon led Lopez Obrador in the initial count by 244,000 votes. According to news reports and figures provided by the two campaigns, the partial recount will narrow Calderon's lead but only by 7,000 to 13,000 votes.


A small percentage of the votes were recounted in a race decided by only 244,000 votes. If they do a full recount Obrador might very well win...I guess that is why they wish to prevent that from happening, eh?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 04:25 PM
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13. It sounds more and more like Florida in 2000. n/t
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:44 PM
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15. Bingo
This stealing elections over and over again is BS and Obrador is going to FIGHT where Gore and kerry
let it happen...

though Americans get a good look cause this is where we are heading...

I don't think Americans are going to tolerate another stolen election again
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 07:54 PM
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16. I hope you are right
But too easily people sink back into complacency, believe whatever version of reality that best suits their interests, and down a rum and coke.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:27 PM
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20. The right wingers are fully aware that "perception is reality" in politics
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 09:24 PM
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17. The Mexican public and the U.S. public are quite different and I think we
should approach protest of Stolen Elections in a different way. One big difference is Mexico still has paper ballots, so they can actually go find the lost votes in the garbage dump. The stuffed or emptied ballot boxes were combined with a new electronic central tabulation system that was used to try to cover up the excess votes in Calderon areas. But here, both voting and vote tabulation have been taken over by private electronic corporations with very close ties to the Bush regime (mainly Diebold and its brethren electronic voting firm, ES&S)--a coup that occurred very quickly, in the 2002-2004 period, as the result of a $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle by the Anthrax Congress, engineered by crooks Tom Delay and Bob Ney--and it's all run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls. One third of the nation voted on entirely paperless voting machines in 2004--not even auditable or recountable. We have to GET BACK TO square one--paper ballots, hand counted--before we can even begin to find out where fraud is occurring. The culture of secrecy and corruption that these Bushite corporations have brought to our election system is also a big problem and an obstacle to transparent elections.

It looks like Fox/Calderon and the Mexican fascist establishment is going to try an overt fascist clampdown. They have a full scale rebellion going on in Oaxaca that started in June with a police helicopter assault on striking teachers, in the middle of the night--the teachers were camping out--the local community revolted and have set up an alternative state government; they believe that the Oaxaca state governor, who has been very repressive, was put in power with a fraudulent election in 2004--so this protest is quite related to the one in Mexico City and other southern states over the presidential election, and I would say that these protests overall do have a relationship to the vast, peaceful, democratic, leftist revolution that has swept Latin America over the last several years, with leftist governments elected in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Venezuela and Bolivia, and strong leftist movements in Peru, Nicaragua and other places. The vast population of the poor and the brown in these countries is finally coming into its own through a lot of hard work on transparent elections. As Evo Morales, the first 100% indigenous president of Bolivia has said, "The time of the people has come."

Here, we DON'T HAVE this community-minded population of the poor, the brown and the indigenous--a Latin American movement with its own word-of-mouth communication system, that is also bolstered by an even vaster movement of small farmers (also small business, workers and human rights groups) that stretches around the world. It is this strong organization of campesinos that is challenging U.S.-based and other global corporate predators who have conspired through undemocratic trade agreements to create a very unfree global marketplace of cheap labor and easy resource exploitation. The war profiteering corporate news monopolies have near total control of the airwaves in places like Mexico and Venezuela. The reformers just ignore them! In 2002, for instance, the TV stations in Venezuela--wholly in thrall to the rich oil elite--openly supported a violent military coup against their elected president Hugo Chavez, who was kidnapped for several days. Thousands of Venezuelans poured into the streets and stopped the coup. They pay no attention to "faux" news in these countries.

Here, while most people have formed their own negative opinion of Bush and the Bush junta--despite 24/7 propaganda--our people HAVE succumbed to the subtler brainwashing they are in the MINORITY. That is the triumph of the fascist press here. People feel isolated and alone, and disempowered. Also, here, the RECENT election fraud scandal--these highly manipulable electronic voting systems that lock in fascist corporate control--is the most black-holed story of all. Most people don't know WHY we have such pigs running the country. Many think that OTHER Americans have gone nuts--and that a majority voted for them.

So, how do WE protest--with our fractured, scattered, non-communal, individualist population that nevertheless has the common ground (though they may not know it) of feelings of hopelessness and powerlessness. I think we need to go a different route than street protests. And focusing on our basic power as a sovereign people--our right to vote--I think we have to start there, and try to recover transparency in vote counting.

How?

The election reform movement is growing by leaps and bounds--with new groups, lawsuits, many articles, books and web sites, and the passionate commitment of many individual activists--but there is nothing on the horizon to prevent Stolen Election III this fall. One thing that hasn't been noticed by this movement is the surge in Absentee Ballot voting (it's up to 50% in Los Angeles). People DON'T TRUST THE MACHINES--and with damn good reason. They are obviously getting the word, and are trying to outfox the system, and get a paper ballot, hand-counted, by voting Absentee. They may not be aware that AB votes are not "safe" either.

I think we should go with this indigenous citizen protest--and encourage AB voting, and make it really big. FLOOD election officials with MOUNTAINS of paper AB votes to deal with, create panic and crisis in the election theft industry, and FORCE reform NOW. We need to FORCE these corrupt election officials to the table. If the number of people who despise the Bush junta (65%-70%) BOYCOTTED the machines and voted AB, we would really have something. The SECOND "shot heard round the world." American Revolution II.

If we can get rid of this system of non-transparent, electronic voting counting--which became so quickly entrenched by corrupt means--we can do anything!

AB voting is easy. Everybody can do it. (Most states have some form of AB voting--some easier than others.) It will help turnout. To those who say, "it's all rigged--why vote?"--we can say, but this is a protest vote aimed at UN-rigging the system. Ergo, no excuse for not voting. AB voting can give expression to people's discontent. It makes voting into a positive protest, rather than a passive, hopeless act. Massive AB voting will NOT give us accurate vote counts this fall--except where election officials respond and begin handling AB votes in a more responsible way*--but it CAN significantly pressure the system toward reform. And we can then salvage the '08 primaries and election.

Bust the Machines! Bust Bush! Bust the War! Bust Congress! VOTE ABSENTEE!


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*(AB votes are often disregarded and counted last, or merely scanned right into the riggable electronic system. They are no more secure than optiscan votes. The difference is that you are NOT COOPERATING with this extremely insider hackable system. You are NOT VOTING ON THEIR MACHINES. All this expensive election theft equipment--and nobody will use it! That's the idea--a very pointed PROTEST aimed at challenging corrupt--or stupid--election officials' purchase of these incredibly insecure and hackable systems. ALL electronic voting system components are EASILY riggable--thousands of votes can be changed, at the speed of light, leaving no trace. The paperless touchscreens are the worst. But all of it is riggable. With hand-counted paper ballots, the speed and invisibility of fraud is eliminated, and at least you have a chance of catching the fraud, as they have done in Mexico. Voting AB is not a guarantee. It is a PROTEST!)



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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 11:34 PM
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22. It's far too easy to cry voter fraud
In an attempt to subvert an election. We've all seen it first hand in this country on both sides of the political spectrum. In this case though, Mexico has some of most stringent and transparent elections in the world. They require photo ID cards with imbedded security codes. After votes are cast, indelible ink is used to mark the voters. Ballots must be recorded in a specific manner and count sheets are attached to sealed ballot packets. They are compared to the number of voters who were assigned ballots. The only packets that must be recounted are the ones found to be in error. That's what they are doing today. If the "loser" is allowed a full recount every single time they don't like the results, they are taking the entire election system hostage. Sometimes the other guy won because he really did get more votes.

I'd feel a lot more comfortable voting in a system like Mexico's than in ours. In Georgia, I was never asked for a photo ID to vote. How can we ever feel secure about the results when all you need is a name that matches the voter roll in your precinct? I could have voted a dozen times each election. It's completely unacceptable.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:09 AM
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25. Mexico has a long history of fraud
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 09:10 AM by gorbal
People who commit fraud there are very good at it. There are too many obvious inconsistencies in the last presidential elections for me to believe they were "Stringent and transparent" especially when there were so many areas with only a PAN observer.

Check out this excerpt from an Alternet article-

The PRD's strongest case for a recount comes from the fact that ballots in almost one-third of the country were not counted in the presence of independent observers. One analysis of IF results found that there were 2,366 polling places where only a PAN observer was present. In these districts, Caldern beat Lpez Obrador by a whopping 71-21 margin.


http://www.alternet.org/story/39763 /

You only need about 1/3 of the country to not have "Stringent and transparent" elections to allow fraud to change the course of an election; especially one "won" by under 300,000 votes.

Interesting that Obrador is suggesting creating a government within a government if they don't get a full recount. (kinda like in Chiapas) Perhaps we should do something like that in the US. Perhaps they will set for us an example to follow-

http://english.people.com.cn/200608/21/eng20060821_2952...

(I always like to see a silver lining)
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 10:07 AM
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27. Absolutely
But at least Mexico has taken steps to end voter fraud. What have we done? Electronic voting? What a joke.


There will never be a 100% fool proof method to prevent fraud but our voting system is no where near secure.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 06:52 PM
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29. Yeah I'll give you that.
I keep remembering days back to when the media was all about the Ukraines defrauded elections, but scarcly a whisper about our own.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:37 AM
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26. It is much easier to recount votes in a very close election when there
is reasonable suspicion of fraud than it is to have have the populace of a nation believe that their democracy has been subverted.

Personally, I have never recognized the monkeyboy as President of the US. If he had consented to a recount in Florida instead of desperately trying to stop it, I could have recognized him as President. A very significant number of Americans feel the same as I do.

It is the primary reason almost half the people in this nation thoroughly despise Bu*h. (The fact that he is ignorant, corrupt, evil, and an imminent threat to the continued existence of our nation doesn't help either).

IMO, it is extremely important for the people in a democracy to have reasonable confidence that their voting system and vote counting process is accurate and honorable.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:39 PM
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21. And if another election is stolen in this country....
I think it will be time for the scared, docile masses in this country to take to the streets.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 09:09 AM
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24. Only a Full Recount Will Do in Mexico
Only a Full Recount Will Do in Mexico
Saturday, August 19, 2006; Page A15


As an American living in Mexico, I object to the Aug. 16 editorial "Mexico's Moment of Truth."

Contrary to the contention that the presidential election was fair and that no significant irregularities have been found, the Federal Electoral Tribunal ordered the partial recount specifically because of strong suspicions of fraud in more than 12,000 polling places in 26 states.

The results found in that recount have been revealing: More than 80 percent of polling places recounted showed a total that favored Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador more than official tallies did.

Those who assert that the adjustments were minimal fail to realize that in such a close election, a switch of only two votes per polling place would change the result.

Add to that the problems of extra votes discovered in many electoral packets as well as packets with fewer votes found than the numbers of those registered as having voted -- a discrepancy of well over 100,000 votes in total, half of the official difference between the two candidates -- and you have a situation that more than justifies Lpez Obrador's common-sense request that a full and transparent recount be held to dispel any doubts that people have as to the fairness of the election.
(snip/...)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 04:02 PM
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28. A coincidence that the BFEE's candidate squeaks out another one
It seems counterintuitive that people would so consistently vote against their own interests:

Left-of-center candidate Andres Lopez Obrador wants to de-emphasize production of crude oil and focus instead on refined products such as gasoline and plastics, while his main challenger, conservative Felipe Calderon, proposes opening the industry to foreign oil corporations to help increase crude exports. . . .

Lopez Obrador defends the ban on most foreign investment and has pledged to build three gasoline refineries and boost petrochemical production. He notes that Mexico annually spends $4.5 billion in gasoline imports and nearly $10 billion in petrochemical imports, mainly from the United States. Pemex has made no significant refining investments in 20 years, and none in petrochemicals in 15 years. . . .

In Tabasco, engineers who have been fired from the company complain that Pemex under the Fox administration has unnecessarily given billions of dollars of service contracts to U.S. companies such as Bechtel, Halliburton and Schlumberger. . . .


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:40 AM
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30.  Mexico left holds lead in Chiapas vote
Mexico left holds lead in Chiapas vote
By Mica Rosenberg
Mon Aug 21, 10:53 AM ET

TUXTLA GUTIERREZ, Mexico (Reuters) - Mexico's main leftist party was ahead by a hair on Monday in a governor's election in the largely Maya Indian state of Chiapas, adding to tension over a fiercely contested July 2 presidential vote.

Juan Sabines of the left-wing Party of the Democratic Revolution, or PRD, had 48.43 percent of the vote with votes in from 93 percent of polling stations, a lead of just 0.29 percentage points over his main rival, according to state electoral authorities.

A hefty 5 percent of ballot box returns had irregularities, meaning the final result will likely be challenged. Chiapas has a long history of political violence and is home to Zapatista rebels who took up arms in 1994.
(snip)

A victory for his party in Chiapas would bolster Lopez Obrador's bid to build a national campaign to prevent his conservative rival, Felipe Calderon of the ruling National Action Party, or PAN, from taking office.
(snip/...)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060821/ts_nm/mexico_electi...
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:26 AM
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31. I was reading some interesting artcles about Zapatistas
They formed there own "government within a government) in areas of Mexico.


Since December 1994, the Zapatistas had been gradually forming several autonomous municipalities, independent of the Mexican government. By August 2003 these municipalities had evolved into local government "juntas", implementing communitarian food-producing programs, health and school systems, supported in part by NGOs. Then several "Juntas of Good Government" formed by representatives of the autonomous municipalities and overseen by the EZLN were created as an upper level of government under the motto mandar obedeciendo (to command obeying). These renegade municipalities had been tolerated by the government despite being a state within the state. Although they do not tax the inhabitants, the Zapatistas decide, through assemblies, to work in communitarian projects; when someone does not participate in these communitarian efforts it is discussed and sometimes it is decided to not consider the person a Zapatista. This for example implies that the person has to pay for medicine in Zapatista pharmacies (although not for medical care). Membership in the Juntas rotates continuously, so that all members of the community have an opportunity to serve the community and also to prevent people in power to become addicted to it or become corrupted.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapatista_Army_of_National...
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 11:36 AM
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32. South of the border is a tinderbox just ready to explode.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 05:48 PM
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34. I remind DUers that the underlying issue is a stolen election
and the refusal by the ruling class to permit a vote by vote recount.

Anytime there is violence, it is always initiated by the ruling class.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 09:20 PM
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35. repost(it fits better here)
Unrest worsens, stations seized



Wire services
El Universal
August 22, 2006
OAXACA - The picturesque colonial city of Oaxaca sank further into chaos on Monday as protesters armed with machetes, pipes and clubs seized 12 private radio stations, cut off highways, and blockaded bus terminals and newspaper offices.

The smell of uncollected garbage and tires burning at barricades hung over the city, a popular tourist destination, and some businesses ran short of water after demonstrators refused to allow water trucks into central Oaxaca.

About 3,000 activists and striking teachers wielding machetes and clubs marched through the city, demanding punishment for an early morning assault in which unidentified gunmen shot up a state-owned radio station that has been occupied since Aug. 1.

Protesters said a male teacher was wounded and taken to a hospital, but the extent of his injuries was not immediately known.


http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/19984.html

Edit-Lajornada article

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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 10:02 PM
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36. This is just the beginning
If the fascists don't concede power soon, and give it to the rightful owner (Obrador) Mexico could be in a full scale civil war with the majority poor extracting centuries worth of vengance. Pugs, are you observing this???
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