BBC: 'Plot to blow up planes' foiled (new carry-on restrictions)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4778575.stm

A major terrorist plot to blow up planes in mid-flight has been disrupted, Scotland Yard has said.

It is thought the plan was to detonate explosive devices smuggled on aircraft in hand luggage, with flights from the UK to the US being targeted.

... Passengers will not be allowed to take any hand luggage on to any flights in the UK, the department said.

Only the barest essentials - including passports and wallets - will be allowed to be carried on board in transparent plastic bags.

normal carry on for the first time but he was allowed his laptop and cellphone. However on his return flight yesterday he was allowed to take all three.

He flies Virgin, and everything was normal. I am really glad he isn't still there.

This all seems really over the top. They want adults with babies to drink out of the baby bottles? This is really gross, and unless they plan to pour some of it into a separate container, then the formula or breast milk is no longer fit for consumption by the child. This happened here during the transition to the dubiously named TSA, and all finally agreed this was truly stupid. They are also allowing certain necessities on board, in clear plastic bags. It includes baby items like diapers and wipes, plus feminine hygiene products. Just what I want to do, put my tampons in a clear bag for all to see.

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And we know that the Blair administration is as trustworthy as our own administration.

He does talk purty though (Blair).



Playing variations on a theme, since we already memorized the original theme. Raising the terror alert level at opportune times for them on the flimsiest of excuses.

Now they're teaming up with the UK to make it more believable, and don't mind inconveniencing travelers.

Cause it helps remind one and all that we are living in a dangerous world.

There was a study, maybe cited by John Dean, in which half the subjects were shown pictures of 911 (Hey, isn't there a movie out by that name as well? Amazing ).

Anyhow the ones shown the pictures were more likely to favor dub in foreign policy. But the statistic that was unchanged regardless of whether they saw the pictures or not was the feeling that the Iraq war was a mistake handled terribly.

"Everything had to be checked in and that includes mobile phones, ipods, wallets - even spectacle cases had to be checked in."

That is just freakin stupid.

Don't they know about x-ray scanners?

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/videos500251.sh...

U.S. Aware Of Plot For Days

Jim Axelrod spoke with Press Secretary Tony Snow about the U.S.'s involvement in the British investigation of the alleged terrorist plot. Snow says President Bush has been aware of the plot for days.

They also knew about the 9/11 plot for 18 months

It was planned at an al-Qaeda summit in Kuala Lumpur that was attended by Atta's roommate and the Flt. 77 hijackers. The CIA videotaped the whole thing and then followed the Flt 77 hijackers as they entered the US on 01/15/00 - the FBI liason at the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center was ordered not to send a cable about their entry to the FBI National Security Office in NY.

The Agency and a couple foreign intel agencies illegally monitored the plot inside the US without obtaining FISA warrants. For some reason we don't understand yet, that surveillance was relaxed enough in the late summer of 2001 so Atta and the gang could carry off the plot that the Agency had told the Bushites about much earlier. See the link below for all the details, citations, sources, links.

See, Scoop: UQ Wire: THE CRIMES OF 9/11 (Part 4)In early summer 2001 , US officials received numerous warnings from domestic and foreign intelligence agencies that al-Qaeda terrorists planned ...
www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm

of possible impending terrorist attacks for several months before 9/11, why doesn't anybody else seem to remember?
now everybody on the right and the left seem more interested in "re-connecting the dots" to suit whatever political agenda they have.

and don't let any interested party cut off lines of inquiry.

Something close to the truth is available to anyone with an open mind willing to do the work.

before 911. people seem to have forgotton.

This just posted at another thread. Confirms that timimg of the raid came from U.S. side:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-10-06 03:13 PM
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UK Channel 4 News: Terror Raids brought forward due US Intel

Just heard on UK More4 (Channel4) News that the decision to stage the terror raids today was based on intelligence from the US. The US info apparently made it seem that the threat was immediate and that the terror attacks had been brought forward.

If they let it go forward, then they would be faced with failure in the eyes of the public. In addition, what do you think the US or the UK is going to do in response? Attack Pakistan? C'mon. If they only let out warnings and foiled attempts, they kill to birds with one stone. Not only do they look like they're acting tough in the war on terror, but they keep the public on high alert.

Astute analysis and absolutely on the money, imho.

Or would that jeopardize "security" and "embolden the terrorists."

the airlines can't afford to take the hit right now, and Wall Street is tenuous at best.

They are really on the financial edge right now, and methinks a one- or two-week boycott would put them over.

I'm scheduled to fly into O'Hare in mid-September. I'm thinking that if I can't take anything on the plane with me but what will fit in my pocket -- not a purse, mind you, but a pocket -- I may just strip off everything and fly naked, and then protest my boredom at not even being allowed to bring a book to read by singing show tunes for the whole three hours and seventeen minutes of the flight. And no, I will NOT pay five fucking dollars for their cheap-ass headphones so I can hear some stupid fucking movie shown on a screen smaller than my not-widescreen tv.

Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em.



Tansy Gold, normally a patient soul but becoming angry. Very angry.

Blair would be a failure if they blew up

Have you questioned that assumption?

Have you questioned that assumption?

If there had never been news of a "plot," there would not be any explanation based on a "conspiracy."

First things first.

Anti war candidate defeats a major Bush supporter - next day, a terror plot is thwarted.

That's great timing.

Just another AMAZING "lucky" "COOINCIDENCE" for the repukes - including that new repuke "holy" joe (R-Asswipe)...

this news should have come BEFORE Tuesday's primary.

The 'theory' doesn't float.

Tuesday.

NOW they KNOW they CAN possibly lose it all in NOVEMBER.

So my "logic" is rock solid.

Tuesday.

NOW they KNOW they CAN possibly lose it ALL in NOVEMBER.

Sorry, but my "logic" is rock solid.

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If they can overreact to every little thing, they'll keep their authoritarian followers in line (and maybe get a few more). It's the politics of FEAR, get used to it.

Peace -

What's that supposed to mean? What's McKinney got to do with this?

And, even if there were not plenty of indications that Lamont would take Lieberman, what kind of lead up would they need? There has been NOTHING to this plot but accusations. Like the ones we've "thwarted" in the last couple years, you've got some disaffected Muslims who have been under surveillance for months, who may or may not have been talking among themselves about doing something, but when they are arrested they have no funding, no explosives, no capability of doing what they are accused of plotting. Lincoln Tunnel? Liberty Tower? Ring a bell? All they have to do is, when there is something that hurts the war effort, round up a few of the usual suspects and grab the headlines for a few days - then it disappears and the charges are quitely reduced to minor infractions. It goes away.

How many times can they pull this shit before we catch on?

I can't wait to see what happens when these terror alerts continue to happen long after the republicans loose the whitehouse. Who are they going to blame, when Bush is gone ?

I don't give a crap WHO is in the White House. Actions have consequences. Period.

I mean...they could have legitimate concerns for my wife's legitimate safety (she's taking off out of Hartsfield-Jackson literally as we speak), but my gut reaction is that it's all a PR attempt to prop up the chimp's numbers

They want us too scared to think but they also want us conditioned to reflexively comply with even the most absurd request/demands of authority.

We are being groomed to be the obedient prols they desire and most people don't even pause in the cattle line to think about it.

It's not going to stop till people make it stop.

casinos in Vegas and farmers with electric fences. Stimulus to produce response -- you need to have a "hit" (slot machine payout or terrorist strike) every so often to keep the stimulus-response relationship chugging along.

After BFEE lied about Iraq, why believe anything further that they or their minions say?

found this headline

"Airline terror plot 'foiled'"

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,200815...

so what exactly is bush doing to stop this shit? lucky the british weren't asleep

when he was reassuring us how vigilant they all are.

Whaddya' mean what is Bush doing?! He's repealing the estate tax, planning how to get his mitts on the Social Security Trust Fund, planning on invading Syria and Iran, rolling back environmental and occupational safety regulations, repealing the Constitution, torturing innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and Cuba, borrowing more money than the previous 42 President's combined, upping the military recruitment age to 42, planning his next fall disinformation campaign (as we all know, we don't roll out new product in the summer) -- I mean, like Captain Kangaroo, George Bush is a busy busy busy busy busy busy man.

Captain Kangaroo was a GREAT man, loved my Millions of Children, including me! Unlike the Crawford turd we have in the White House.

.. to destroy countries and cut brush in Crawford.

Boston a couple of days ago???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Britain says attack expected imminently
Britain raised its security threat level to "critical" on Thursday, which means it expects an attack imminently, after a police said they had foiled a plot to blow up aircraft.

The Home Office Web Site showed the rating had been raised to "critical" from "severe" earlier on Thursday. Britain has a five level rating for security threats, ranging from low to critical, which is the highest level.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L10254208.htm

All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be x-ray screened," a BAA statement said.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/in...

was introduced on 1st August this year.

....Acting poodle in chief while Tony working on his tan is having it blasted all over the tv.

the TV station blasting all of the terra alerts over and over.

pre-emptive war coverage).

predict we'd suddenly re-find our TERRA alert in the days marching up to the election? Like shooting fish in a barrel it's so easy to see what's going to happen sometimes.

But then we're the nutty CT people who don't accept that our government is noble and good and that it's NORMAL AND NATURAL to accept body searches, shoe removal, and toothpaste paranoia in order to move from one place to another.

two at the bottom (at different speeds), and one behind the BTN bimbette-and-mimbo 'team'

...FBI, CIA, ETC.

I wonder if the FBI/CIA/DHS would have uncovered this.

We've got the Police here in the UK and that's it. Part of that is called Special Branch. We've never had anything else to my knowledge apart from the Home Guard during WW2.

...the UK also has MI5, MI6, GCHQ (for intercepting signals intelligence) and is also a participant in Carnivore/Echelon/whatever they call it these days, through close ties with the NSA. Their intelligence infrastructure is just as sophisticated and intrusive as ours (give or take a supercomputer or two), so it's not only the police who'd be involved in an operation of this type.

are not exactly "out on the street" as are your FBI, NSA etc.

It was buncha guys from UK - I doubt the Brits let our agencies operate there (not to mention I doubt we'd have the resources). Not sure I follow how FBI was supposed to figure that one out ?

it will be innocent people that are being put at risk by the folly of the Blair government.

i'm betting this is gonna turn out to be another 'thought criminal' case.

homeland security. Think maybe Tony and his master are in trouble? Voila! A plot!

Unless they don't screen carry-ons why are they so worried?

This is reminiscent of Bush and his "Liberty Towers" bullshit which he never apologized for and the story quickly went away.

British Airports have had good security for decades but as my parents are flying into London today, I am happy that they are being extra vigilent today

This sounds like it's damn serious! A "most significant" threat, "not finished," "pretty sure," strong words for the British press. But they also said that it "was foiled," and that they have made several arrests, but that the threat is "still critical..."

The naysayers may be right. I'd like to think that this is just another fizzy Pepsi can in the NY subways, but they still are calling this a "critical" threat...

Other airports reporting check-ins taking upto 5 hours.

I can't imagine taking any trip without bringing shampoo...

with putting EVERY ticket holder through all this crap? I quit flying in May of 2002...I was in Duluth catching a feeder flight to Minneapolis to go on to Chicago and by the time THEY were done sticking their fingers in my shampoo bottle etc. I was sickened. Then I and a mother of an infant and a business man were singled out for another check at the gate.....meanwhile my purse, carry-on and shoes were in three different locations.....can't imagine what these folks in London are going through. Sorry for this little rant but I didn't feel any safer then after all this checking. Plain stupid. They went through both my carry-on and the bag I eventually checked through.

With this latest disclosure why can't they do their jobs and shut up like most of us do everyday and quit telling us how wonderful they are? I went on again, didn't I?

I haven't flown since before 9/11. I've never been a big fan of flying, anyway, but I realize that you have to fly if you're going to get to certain places. I once had a panic attack on a non-stop flight from JFK to Helsinki. I told the flight attendant that I really needed to get off and asked her how much longer that it would be. She said six hours! Yikes! I wouldn't have survived that flight without her kindness. I highly recommend Finnair...

I'm sorry that you had to go through all that. The people who they single out make no sense to me. My cousin had to take off her shoes in the airport - and she was wearing sandals. And she's blonde and was traveling with her little boy. He was pretty freaked out when they took her away.

I tend to agree with much of the skepticism here. The more I hear, the more this sounds like another soda can in the subway distraction to me.

It has to be "random",otherwise they would be "racial profiling" and that would "violate their civil rights."
on one hand it is a simple fact that a middle easterner right now is far more likely to try to blow up a plane than any other racial group.
on the other hand even among middle eastern people what's the likelihood that any one person on a plane will be a terrorist? 1 in a hundred thousand, a million?, 10 million?

But how many hijackers have been women, anyway? Like SnappyTurtle and my cousin? And she said that they chose a woman with an infant, as well. I suppose that she could have hidden explosives in her baby's diaper...

And my cousin is blonde, hardly Middle Eastern looking. It's true that most people from the Middle East are as terrified of hijackings as we are. My veterinarian is from the Middle East and he flies a lot, but doesn't seem to have had a problem. In fact, he was a big hero on a flight back from Russia because he saved a man who collapsed after having had a stroke.

But if you take a look at the footage of the 9/11 hijackers before they got on those planes, wouldn't you have been suspicious of those men? The look on Mohammed Atta's face makes my blood run cold, no matter where he was from...

So i'll wait and see what actually is going on.

What does "foiled" mean anyway, obviously it hasnt been foiled as they have these restrictions in place.

all the carry ons..add weight to a flight ..more weight.. more fuel consumed..

now with BP oil shut down..could Blair being holding back fuel for the british airlines..and US carriers..in preperation for a air strike on Iran?

i believe Blair shut down the oil fields of BP to reserve oil..in case of a oil shortage in the event of air strikes on Iran!

think about it..its a self imposed reserve of oil...

fly

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