Israel ready to swap 2 Hezbollah captives for IDF soldiers

[Scurrilous]

<snip>

"Israel will release two Lebanese prisoners in return for the two soldiers abducted by Hezbollah, as part of a cease-fire agreement, government and defense officials said on Monday.

The sources added that the UN Security Council would call for a cease-fire in Lebanon on Friday, and it could take effect as early as Saturday.

Alternatively, the fighting might continue for a few more days. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told British Prime Minister Tony Blair that as soon as an international force deploys along the Israel-Lebanon and Lebanon-Syria borders, "it will be possible to implement a cease-fire."

<snip>

"The sources said that Israel would apparently agree to release Abu Amra Mamad, convicted of weapons possession, plus one illegal alien. It will not agree to release Palestinians. A government source added that Israel would also refuse to release Samir Kuntar, who murdered the Haran family and a police officer in Nahariya in 1979. In the last prisoner exchange with Hezbollah, the "Tennenbaum deal" of January 2004, it was agreed that Kuntar would be released only in exchange for information about missing airman Ron Arad."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744888.html

[wakeme2008]

1. Israel WHY WAIT A F__KING WEEK

:grr:

[Scurrilous]

4. "Olmert wants to take another stab at a decisive conclusion .."

ANALYSIS: Giving the war an image of victory, not a draw

<snip>

"Borrowing from the world of soccer beloved to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, the Israel Defense Forces operation in Lebanon went into overtime on Monday.

Olmert wants to take another stab at a decisive conclusion before the UN Security Council blows the final whistle. That's why he convened the cabinet on Monday to approve a wide-scale ground operation targeting villages used by Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

Olmert is fighting the battle over public opinion, both at home and abroad. He wants people to see the war as a victory, not a draw. It was this attitude that led Olmert to tell a conference of mayors on Monday that the operation is continuing despite the unfortunate deaths of dozens of Lebanese civilians in Qana Sunday.

"Israel is continuing to fight," the prime minister said. One can imagine the slogan as part of a commercial for a bank, on billboards or car bumpers. "There is no cease-fire, and there will be no cease-fire in the upcoming days," Olmert promised to the cheers of mayors in attendance. Conference participants made it clear they want the operation to continue."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744887.html

[daleo]

10. It seems unlikely that another few days will help

At least in terms of victory against Hezbollah on the ground. Olmert seems to be hedging his bets, though. Either he isn't really sure of the IDF going along with the ceasefire or this may be a trick.

[mom cat]

6. They haven't done enough damage yet! Furthermore, why should

we believe anything Olmert says about ceasefires. He already backed out of one promice for a ceasefire and stepped up the fighting instead.

[uppityperson]

2. Why not until Friday?

[AlamoDemoc]

3. Hezbollah will not settle for two prisoners for two prisoners swap

There are thousands Lebanese sheep herders Israel kidnapped inside Lebanese territory that are now in Israeli prison and those innocent civilians should be included the prisoners swap.

[cali]

13. This is ridiculous

There are thousands of Palestinian prisoners, many held without trial. There are NOT thousands of Lebanese, not sheepherders, or cheesemakers or bakers, in Israeli custody. There are only a handful of Lebanese held by the Israelis. Having said that, this is too little, too late. They should have agreed to release the Lebanese held, even the despicable Samir Kuntar.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Question?

Why should Samir Kuntar be swapped?

[cali]

17. To end the

whole mess. It's probably too late now, and yes I realize he's despicable, but if swapping him could have saved the lives of so many, particularly children, I believe it would have been a sacrifice worth making. Israel's decision to go into Lebanon and bomb the hell out of it, destroying infrastructure, killing close to a thousand, and injuring many more, as well as creating an environmental disaster, was a huge mistake. Trading prisoners was a better option.

[Behind the Aegis]

18. We will have to disagree.

To me, this whole thing has boiled down to nothing short of "blackmail." So many terrorists/murders have gone free because they were "swapped" for the lives of innocents. They kill with impunity! They know, if captured, their ilk will respond by "capturing" innocents to use as bargaining chips, and then they get away with murder, literally!

The destruction reigned down on Lebanon has been horrific! Yet, it is important to realize too, that Israel was in a situation similar to the ones before. While I cannot agree with everything that they did, I do support their military response. Maybe it shouldn't have been to the level it was, but to sit there like a dupe waiting for the next incursion is the best way to cease to exist!

[termo]

19. unforseen ?

unfortunatly, this level of military response will just make the hezbollah terrorist number growing very fast.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Israel's existence does that!

All one has to do is look at the rhetoric coming from that region!

[termo]

23. there are nuts on both side...

some lebanon/syria nuts want to erase israel.
some israel nuts want more and more lands.

but a huge majority on both side would agree on a fair peace, y. rabin was so close.

israel leaders should seek a fair peace instead of starting a war which will probably escalate shortly.

[Behind the Aegis]

25. Like a bad bag of Chex Mix (tm).

Too many nuts, not enough "crispies!" (Though I do love nuts. no pun intended)

However, let's look at your example:

"some lebanon/syria nuts want to erase israel.
some israel nuts want more and more lands."

I can't fully agree with those statements. The Lebanese really aren't all that interested in eradicating Israel. The Syrians....that is a different story! As for Israel wanting more land, well, that may or may not be true. I tend to believe it is not true, with the exception of a very small minority. The real issue in your statement: one side is wanting the destruction of the other....COMPLETELY. While the other side is wanting more land. To me...land is expendable, lives are not!

I also agree, as far as the populations go, most want peace!

Where we part ways is that "israel leaders should seek a fair peace instead of starting a war which will probably escalate shortly." Why should it only be Israelis?! Why must it always fall to Israel to seek peace at all costs, including the lives of her people?

[termo]

26. deadlock

as long as there is no peace, there will be plenty of nuts to join hezbollah and attack.

live are not expandable and lifes are lost on both sides. moreover israel is the strongest military presence in the area, there is no risk of being whiped out as long as terrorsit don't have access to wmd. that is also why it seems to me than looking for peace now is far better than in 5 or 10 years.

go for a quick and fair peace with neighbour leaders and ask international presence to enforce security in lebanon and palestinan territories since they have no power to enforce it. moreover lebanon population would probably welcome it (at least a majority).

in a nutshell, it has to come from israelis since it is the only stable side.

[Behind the Aegis]

27. hopefully

It doesn't matter that Israel is the strongest power there. They have been bogged down in war since the day she was "born!" You say there is no risk of her being wiped out...I Pray that to be true! I really have NO desire to see a second Holocaust!

You say: "go for a quick and fair peace with neighbour leaders and ask international presence to enforce security in lebanon and palestinan territories since they have no power to enforce it. moreover lebanon population would probably welcome it (at least a majority)." You are wrong! The Lebanese government has said it doesn't want an international peace-keeping force. And, to my knowledge, the PA has never requested anything like that!

Stable or not, the responsibility should not rest solely at the feet of Israel!

[TheMadMonk]

49. A man (or child) is just as dead whether from a weapon or starvation.

To take land will just as surely kill people as to blow them up directly. Displaced people die, often in large numbers and again it's disproportionately, the young, the elderly and the comparatively weak who do the lion's share of the suffering and dying.

Just what percentage of Lebanon would have to be given up to give Israel it's safety buffer. How many have to be made homeless and probably jobless so Israel can feel a little safer. This buffer zone will become to all intents and purposes a no-man's land.


And as far as land is concerned, history would argue with your view. With and without government sanctions, (and often in the face of direct protest by the international community) Jewish settlers would occupy land in "disputed" territories and these settlements would be protected with the full strength of the IDF.

Whether or not land aquisition was a deciding factor at the policy level in the past or is now, matters little. The results are much the same. Opportunits see, what is to them an opportunity, and grab all that they can get their paws on. If such an opportunity presents itself as a result of the current conflict then I expect to see settlers in the newly "deoccupied" territories to the North. In all likelyhood, the decision makers will do they have done in the past and order the IDF to defend Israeli citizens. It amtters little, that later, once the carnaage is over, a court rules the settlement be removed (which might even one day happen). "Whoops, sorry, Ba-ad settler." means little to a corpse or the near relative of one. Particularly since that which is taken away, the land, is seldom returned.


I imagine that most of us can appreciate the sort of brooding, fuming, helpless rage that might be felt in such a situation. Most of us have at some time or other in our lives felt exactly the same way and in all probability over something a good deal less important. In a stable environment and without fresh fuel for the anger, most of us manage to get over it. As individuals.

That rage, when it's felt by a mob, takes on a life of its own. It feeds itself and it grows. In such rages are riots born. When the mob is a significant proportion of a country's people the results are there for all to see in the Middle East. The rightness or wrongness of resultant behaviour is largely irrelevant, it will happen because conditions are ripe for it to happen.


I do not know what alternative course Israel should be taking, I do strongly believe that the one it is on right now, will, if not modified, result in either the end of Israel or the reduction of any opposing nation in the region to rubble. And THAT is not an equitable exchange for the safety of Israel.

[manic expression]

54. That's simply not true

Hezbollah formed because of Israel's occupation of southern Lebanon. That's a fact and so your assertion is incorrect.

[barb162]

52. Yeah, the military response is correct ; Israel can't sit there

waiting for the next attack

[manic expression]

55. No, it's not

Israel can sit there and not bomb a country off the map. The rockets came because Israel escalated the conflict.

[eagler]

61. The rockets were coming on a regular basis long before Israel

invaded. And the suicide bombers and the kidnappings.

[barb162]

62. 190 Hezbollah rockets landed in Israel today

Sorry to disappoint you, but Israel won't be "sitting there" while Hezbollah is trying to bomb it off the map day after day after day

[Behind the Aegis]

15. Source?

[IndianaGreen]

5. Israel could have done a prisoner swap 20 days ago!

This is a bogus proposal!

[termo]

24. maybe they are running out of oil.

:popcorn:

[Behind the Aegis]

28. And you know what is going on there?

Or is that just your opinion!?

[manic expression]

56. Do you? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

59. Actually, I have a pretty good idea.

Comes from having friends in the region!

[manic expression]

60. I should've known

Of course you think you have a pretty good idea. Let me just say that claiming so much doesn't make it so.

Basically, it's not unclear about what's going on when you look at news from the region. I have friends in Germany, but it doesn't mean I now know the current events of the country better than you do. Don't make the myopic assumption that you know more because of mere acquaintances.

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. Public Relations

Look how reasonable we are! Now, more bombings!

[rug]

8. When does the corpse exchange take place?

[Scurrilous]

9. "...bodies may be used in future exchange..."

IDF buries 10 Hizbullah terrorists in Israel

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284371,00.html

Army official says transfer of terrorists’ bodies to Israel for burial not done at random; bodies may be used in future exchange deal for return of kidnapped soldiers

<snip>

"The Israel Defense Forces buried in Israel the bodies of 10 Hizbullah terrorists killed in fighting in southern Lebanon.

The bodies were buried in a military cemetery for fallen enemy soldiers at the Amiad military base in the north.

An IDF official told Ynet that dozens of terrorists were killed in face-to-face combat with army forces, but added that there is no point in transferring all the bodies to Israeli territory and that the activity itself endangers the soldiers.

The official refused to say how the IDF decided on which bodies would be transferred to Israel, but hinted that it was not done at random.

The IDF may use the bodies buried on Monday in future deals for the release of kidnapped Israeli soldiers Eldad Regev, Ehud Goldwasser and Gilad Shalit."




Amazing...these guys were killed fighting in face-to-face combat with the IDF on Lebanese soil, yet the Israeli press still refers to them as 'terrorists.'

[rug]

11. I'm speechess. Reality is outpacing sarcasm.

[Behind the Aegis]

21. They were terrorists!

They are not "freedom fighters!" They were engaged in terrorist activities. If Timothy McVeigh had been killed in a shoot-out, it would NOT have changed the fact he was a terrorist!

The only sad thing here is that Israel thinks that Hizb'allah will "negotiate" for the dead. They will not!

[plasticsundance]

29. It's getting old ... real fast ... okay

Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and the mainstream Jewish defense force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty-three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City, where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home, which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.

Part of the struggle for self-determination by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of Zionism. For too long their history has been denied, and this denial has only served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in Israel, inside the occupied territories, and outside in their diaspora.

Some progress has been made. Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state of Israel, thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700,000 were driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for centuries.

Deir Yassin Remembered seeks similar progress on behalf of the victims of the Deir Yassin Massacre . . .

How Palestine became Israel

[Behind the Aegis]

48. has NOTHING to do with the topic...

[barb162]

53. We're talking 2006 here, not 1948

Bit if you want to do mid 20th century stuff read about Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini who persecuted the Jews and was a great fan of Hitler
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

"snip
After the killing of Jews in Hebron, the Mufti disseminated photographs of slaughtered Jews with the claim that the dead were Arabs killed by Jews. snip"

[hoboken123]

57. Yes, you should talk

Googling your screed returns as the first site:

"Jew Watch--Keeping a Close Watch on Jewish Communities & Organizations Worldwide"


Not too transparent.

[Az_lefty]

12. Oh thank goodness for chimpy and condi....

how wonderful they have a REAL ceasefire in the making. I can't wait for these two-bit arrogant sycophants to parade themselves around like the great peacemakers.
:sarcasm: :puke:

[Behind the Aegis]

14. This should be interesting.

I am afraid of what is about to happen. I don't think the soldiers are still alive. What happens then? If they are, then great. However, will this encourage more incursions into Israeli territories by the terrorists of Hizb'allah?


FOR ANY MODS>>>The title by the OP doesn't match because Ha'aretz changed the title!!! They do it all the time! Ask Lithos!

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[Lurking Dem]

31. What Really Happened

:rofl:

You gotta be kidding me.

The soldiers were killed and kidnapped between Zar'it and Shetula. Israel says so. The United Nations says so. And in numerous interviews about the cross border raid, Nasrallah never once denied it.

Your source is known to be antisemitic. He claims that terrorist attacks were flase flag Israeli operations and engages in Holocaust denial.

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[plasticsundance]

33. Definition of Semite

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, especially British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

[Igel]

39. Nice attempt at a fallacy.

But far too simple to confuse even yeast.

an·ti-Sem·ite
n.
One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

Confusing meaning and derivation or etymology. Tsk, tsk. I thought was only the province of stupid fundamentalists.

BTW, your definition, of course, means that if you don't like Ethiopians you're anti-Semitic.

[Lurking Dem]

36. Amazing

1. The border was decided when Israel pulled out of Lebanon by the UN.

2. Israel agreed to said border. Lebanon agreed to said border. Syria agreed to said border.

3. Hezbollah did not agree to said border and refers to all of Israel as "occupied Palestine", Tel Aviv is referred to as a "settlement". This may be cause for confusion when talking about a cross border raid as they don't recognize the border.

4. There have been umpteen thread on the meaning of antisemite. It has absolutely nothing to do with the root "Semite". Look up "antisemite" in your dictionary - not "Semite". Goggle "Wilhelm Marr".

5. Forbes is not antisemitic but there are articles out there, like this one, where it is easy to conflate crossing the border into Israel by Hezbollah or crossing into Lebanon IDF.

6. The soldiers were 200 meters inside Israel between Zar'it and Shetula and Nassrallah has not once denied that. The UN believes it too.

7. Disparaging someone's reading comprehension, while not knowing what "antisemitism" actually means and looking for material on whatreallyhappened.com is not going to win your argument.

[plasticsundance]

41. Wow. You posit your argument with no links

Instead of just taking your word for it.

Lurking Dem wrote:

"Israel agreed to said border. Lebanon agreed to said border. Syria agreed to said border."

Not from what I read:

In 1967 most former Shebaa Farms landowners and farmers lived across the Syrian border, in the village of Shebaa, in Lebanese territory. They were no longer able to farm the land after Syria lost it in 1967.<2><3>

Lebanon now asserts that the UN certification of the withdrawal is "invalid," because of Lebanon's claim to the Shebaa Farms.<4>

Lebanese officials point to land deeds, stamped by the Lebanese government, that were held by a number of area residents area in the 1940s and 1950s. But a Lebanese newspaper described the land deed of one Shebaa resident as "handwritten and signed on a yellowing piece of paper in pencil and ink." Moreover, it is quite common for Lebanese to own land in Syria, and vice versa.<5>

All period maps save one, an apparent forgery, show the land as being on the Syrian side of the border.

Sheeba Farmlands Lebanon's claim

Talk about having your cake and eating it, too. Israel has not complied with 66 UN Resolutions, but it gets to pick and choose the UN Resolutions that support their view. Now ... that is amazing.

Lurking Dem wrote:

Disparaging someone's reading comprehension, while not knowing what "antisemitism" actually means and looking for material on whatreallyhappened.com is not going to win your argument.

Well ... I think whatreallyhappened.com is a little head of the curve than you. I simply told you to knock it off with the anti-semite card. And I'm repeating it. As for your reading comprehension skills, it is you that claims the soldiers were killed and kidnapped.

Hezbollah affirms to have
captured two Israeli soldiers

AFP via translation

07/12/2006

BEIRUT - Hezbollah Lebanese Shiite, supported by Teheran and Damas, announced Wednesday to have captured two Israeli soldiers, according to the television of Hezbollah, Al-Manar.

According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning.

Hezbollah did not specify the place of capture of the two soldiers. "Islamic Resistance (arm armed with Hezbollah) announces the capture of two Israeli soldiers", indicated television Al-Manar.

[Igel]

38. Change of topic, change of respondent.

Having decided that the Lebanese police that weren't present for the abduction or the killing of the IDF soldiers weren't reliable non-eye-witnesses, everybody backed off the initial report. Esp. when only the village police made the claim.

However, the Shebaa Farms business is a red herring. The evidence is an apocryphal conversation between Lebanon and Syria in 1951, a forged map, and land deeds from before WWII that point both ways: people in the area registered the land with two countries, the border was that obscure. And claims from Hezbollah and Syria; when Lebanon said, "Fine, it's ours, go to the UN, Syria, and make it official--register the borders," Syria's reply was the middle finger.

Show me where Lebanon soldiers defended the land in '67, or where occupying the Shebaa Farms was deemed an act of war and prompted a complaint from the Lebanese government, or where Syria complained that Lebanese soil was being occupied.

That is, before the Israeli withdrawal was announced, calls for Hezb's withdrawal were being widely aired, and Allah's Help decided that Allah's Party was going to be in a world of hurt if it couldn't still be the proud resistance. So a month or two into the calls for disarmament, an old land claim was revived by Syria and Hezb, that, they claimed, was all that was needed to continue to arm Hezb.

[plasticsundance]

43. The red herring means something to Lebanon

"Even if the U.N. declares that Shebaa is not Lebanese territory, this will not concern us," Raad affirmed. "We will comply with the position of the Lebanese government concerning the land."

Lebanon, meanwhile, accused a team of U.N. cartographers of showing bias in Israel's favour on the border line upon which the totality of the Israel withdrawal would be measured in connection with U.N. resolution 425.

A Lebanese government source described as "tense" the meeting on Wednesday between U.N. experts and Lebanese teams because of what the Lebanese side termed as an encroachment on the letter and spirit of the U.N. Secertary General's report as well as resolution 425."

more ...

[plasticsundance]

45. What's even more ironic

Israel gets to occupy land disputed between Lebanon and Syria. Go figure.

[Igel]

47. Of course it does.

If Shebaa Farms aren't Lebanese according to the government, then they've said that Hezb has no business carrying arms and that Nasrallah and Assad have lied and created a provocation.

The first means that Lebanon has no justification apart from dishonorable fear for not disarming Hezbollah. The government nearly collapsed last winter when the Shi'ites supported Hezbollah and decried Siniora for calling Hezb a 'militia' and called for its disarmament; they ended their walk-out when Hezb was reinstated as the resistance, and Siniora said Lebanon was proud of them.

Pissing off Nasrallah and Hezb is bad news, calling them agents provocateurs for Syria. And there's no desire to piss off Syria any more than needed.

In other words: Siniora knew that there was more to fear from Hezbollah than from supporting claims with scant justification.

It's a big deal. But IMHO currently it's a case of needing to believe it's true rather than actually believing it's true, and needing to support it to prevent worse things from happening. Humor them, and you say they're right; this is an important point, and will make for a more powerful, more prestigious, and more dangerous Hezb. Not something I prefer, thank you.

In any event, when the link you cited was produced Syria was clearly in charge of Lebanon, and Syria clearly supported Lebanon. To this day Syria has rejected all suggestions they actually register their acceptance that the land is no longer Syrian. Because in '74, they claimed it was Syrian land occupied by Israel (and Lebanon had no problem with it).

[plasticsundance]

34. Uh ... BTW

You wrote the following:

"The soldiers were killed and kidnapped between Zar'it and Shetula. Israel says so. The United Nations says so.

Are you suggesting that the soldiers were killed and then kidnapped? Are you claiming this is Israel's claim? Are you claiming this is what the UN has concluded? Pray tell, please explain. Are we to take such skewed news reporting from you as credible?

[Lurking Dem]

37. No.

There were 8 soldiers killed and 2 kidnapped in the raid.

[plasticsundance]

42. Exactly. Thank you.

[truthisfreedom]

22. our BUSHCO tax dollars at work. somebody got bribed with OIL money.

isn't it fun to be adults in a world of silver-spoon kids?

[plasticsundance]

35. Oops ... better let this topic quietly slip away.

[Igel]

40. Hezb'll say no.

Kuntar is too big a name for them. The others aren't.

If Hezb says yes, this is good news. It means they're willing to settle. But Israel'll have to play a lot of PR cards to make sure Allah's Help--Nasr Allah-- looks more like Allah's Crap.

(BTW, I've noticed that English language Pakistani papers tend to refer to Hezbollah just as Hezb, dropping 'Allah' out of the name.)

[rageagnst]

44. Kind of a crappy deal...

Sorry... I would want more than those a AK-47 toter and someone caught on the wrong side of the border. How about the hundreds of innocent prisoners in Israeli prisons held without going to trial? I wnat this conflict over more than anyone, but it'll take compromises on BOTH sides. Of course, peace would have already been obtained if Rice hadn't been THE ONLY dissenting vote against an immediate cease-fire. I wanna know why this admin. seems like it NEEDS this war? .... cough invading Lebanon leads Syria to attack Israel- Syria has a pact with Iran in which if either country is attacked the other will become involved- Iran/Syria attack Israel and the US becomes involved because they have a pact with Israel to come to Israel's aid if it is attacked COUGH COUGH .... but you didn't hear it from me. ;)

[David__77]

46. What?! They want to "give in to terrorism!?"

I cannot believe they would cave in to such "Islamofascist tactics!" (Sarcasm intended here.)

[wellst0nev0ter]

50. Oh!. . .For The Love Of. . .Jesus Fuck!

NOW they want to make a deal? After over 800 dead? After their image has taken an almost irreparable beating? I knew it would eventually come to this, but JEEEEZ!

[oberliner]

51. Hezbollah will say: No Deal

They won't accept a swap that does not include Samir Kuntar.

[manic expression]

58. Didn't they do that exact thing in 2004? n/t