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doxieone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:23 PM
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Judith Miller (yes, that Judith Miller of NYT) was emailed by David Kelly
That info is located within the article.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2...
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mjb4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:27 PM
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1. that was my thought THAT J MIller!
how fortunate. A USA military operative got an email from soemone in a storm.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:35 PM
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4. I wonder if Miller
will realize that she too is considered expendable by the greedy war-mongering people who "leak" stories to her?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:28 PM
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2. Wonder why she went public with it?
Or if it was found on his computer end? Seems that the implications are not sympathetic to those supporting the cause for which she has been a relentless cheerleader.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:36 PM
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6. I go with your guess
that the email was found on Dr. Kelly's computer OR that Miller knew that it would be found there and so released it herself.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:32 PM
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3. Strange bedfellows
I guess Judith Miller released this info so she can write another BS book.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:35 PM
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5. I guess the 'dark forces' were not 'playing games' after all
but were deadly serious? :shrug: :grr:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:44 PM
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7. Seems that Kelly and Miller go way back
He has been one of her sources for a number of years. Just because she was will to write whatever the Pentagon told her to write lately, shouldn't discredit her legitimate sources. Kelly headed the UN inspection team in Iraq in the 90's and was a world reknowned WMD expert.

However, it seems to me that Kelly knew too much and like to talk too much. Two good reasons for the BCF to want to get rid of him, IMHO.

Besides Kelly knew about the US selling Anthrax to Saddam because he had found the receipts. Just one more little reason for wanting to get rid of the man who knew too much.



http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/2001/1...

Iraq Purchased Anthrax From US Company:
Baghdad Admitted 'Weaponizing' The Biological Agent,
A UN Inspector Says

By Joe Lauria
Vancouver Sun

October 22, 2001

Iraq purchased eight strains of anthrax from a U.S. company and admitted turning them into weapons.

David Kelly, a former British Foreign Office expert who led 37 UN biological weapons inspections of Iraq in the '90s, said the Virginia-based American Type Culture Collection company admitted selling the anthrax strains to Saddam Hussein's government in 1985.

The company confirmed to the UN that it sold the anthrax to Iraq through a mail order, Kelly said in a telephone interview from London. Anthrax is now being sent through the mail in a series of terrorist attacks, though U.S. investigators have not yet linked these to any group.

In 1985, there were no U.S. sanctions against Iraq, which was an American ally at the time in Baghdad's war against Iran.

more...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:50 PM
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8. I think she has discredited herself.
What she has done in Iraq goes far over the line. Far beyond just putting positive spin for the Pentagon view.

She clung to chalabi as her source even when he and his info was discredited. That is bad. But not as bad as her, as a journalist, threatening military officers with "calling their superiors" (feith et al) at the Pentagon in an effort to dictate troop movement/mission. She left being a journalist at that time. Big rule - one reports the news one does not create it or become a part of it.

Thus, she, as a journalist (I think that term should here forward be used very tentatively with her) has completely discredited her recent body of work, and that leads to questions about past and future work. It is all about her - not the source.

I don't think it says anything about the late Dr.
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Romey Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 12:57 PM
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9. The torment of a man who knew too much
Great article in the today's "Independent" about Kelly. Didn't know he was a follower of the Baha'i faith - lots of other interesting stuff as well.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:19 PM
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10. So much for the man's faith carrying him through the rough
spots if it was indeed "suicide".
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:27 PM
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11. Thanks for the link. It was quite interesting and sad.
I am really wondering If Dr Kelly committed suicide, Why did he do it?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:45 PM
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12. small world
Kelly is in Miller's book, Germs, in one instance because he debriefed Vladimir Pasechnik. Pasechnik defected from the Soviet Union in 1989. He worked on germ weapons

V.P. claimed the Soviets had succeeded in creating an "improved" version of the Black Death.

You might also recognize his name from this:

"November 21, 2001 (B): Dead microbiologist: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who defected to Britain in 1989, had played a huge role in the development of Russian biowarfare, heading a lab of 400 "with an unlimited budget" and "the best staff available." He says he succeeded in producing an aerosolized plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the Government, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism." "

(from Paul Thompson's site...by way of the Globe?)

Miller has this to say about Kelly-

(He) was a skilled interrogator...(he was in the USSR to inspect possible germ sites and was, apparently, successful, combined with knowledge from V.Pasechnik)...

"The American-British trips through the Soviet Union were models of how arms inspectors could work closely with intelligence agencies." (p128)...but then goes on to say the CIA did not want to share info with the inspectors b/c of other nations' access to the same info via this int'l group...

but as for Miller's claim that Kelly's belief that Iraq had hidden germ weapons...well, Miller implies that her source for this is an Iraqi "insider" -- and considering her reliance on Chalabi, I would think Kelly's belief in WMD in Iraq would also stem from the same CIA informant source.

Kelly returned to Iraq in Sept. of 91 to look for evidence of weapons labs according to CIA info. Kelly and the UNSCOM team found a factory for making animal feed with equipment which would be considered "dual use." however, they did not find evidence to confirm that any weapons had been produced at this site (al Hakam.)

later, however, Miller claims the inspectors had seen bombs in another facility which had germ warheads and lied to the inspectors about this...and the inspectors apparently simply believed this and didn't verify?






an aside from Miller's book, Germs- apparently Al Tuwaitha, the site where nuclear waste was emptied from barrels for locals to hold drinking water was suspected, back in the 90s, as a germ warfare lab too.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:21 PM
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13. Send this infor to the Times, Post, CBS...
...this is interesting information and helps fill out who Kellyr eally was. Face it, we have to feed them information--the media is too dumb to put two and two together.
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