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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:03 PM
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Canada wins key softwood lumber ruling
VANCOUVER — Canada and its lumber industry have won an important victory against punitive American duties in the U.S. Court of International Trade.

In a ruling issued Friday, the U.S. trade court upheld a Canadian claim that the U.S. Commerce Department illegally continued to charge anti-dumping and countervailing duties on lumber after a North American Free Trade Agreement ruling determined there was no basis for them.

A NAFTA panel in 2004 found Canadian softwood imports posed no threat of injury to American lumber producers, despite claims to the contrary by the U.S. industry.

The U.S. government ignored the NAFTA decision. Instead the U.S. Trade Representative's office ordered Commerce's International Trade Commission to comply with a World Trade Organization ruling which had also found no threat of injury but allowed it to use new information to essentially uphold the duties.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060721.wsoftwood0721/BNStory/Front/home
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:11 PM
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1. Don't matter they have won at least 5 other times the shrub just
ignores it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:20 PM
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2. Well, stupid Stevie will fix that right away!
He will re-assure bush that winning this in no way affects his complete betrayal of Canadians and caving to the US demands.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:24 PM
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3. Big Whoop...
Personally I think Canada should just take the Harper Sell-Out.

Since there is NO political will whatsoever to even consider retaliatory measures that might disturb this pantomime that passes for a 'dispute mechanism', then it's only lawyers getting rich...the US will do what it wants.

There was one of the BIG ticket items we were pushing back during the free-trade election in '88? I would ask people straight out, 'do you honestly think that the US would even honour a dispute decision if it was against them?'

Of course not. The FTA/NAFTA should be rescinded, but since the 'left' in Canada are on side with it...it will never even be mentioned. So that's why they should just take the Harper Sell-Out -- there is all party support for the principles of bi-lateral binding trade agreements. Well this is the result...get used to it.

After a stunning series of trade rulings wins for Canada, Canadians should either talk the talk or take their lumps...it ain't going to get any better than what is offered and will end up being a whole lot worst.



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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:28 PM
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4. Agree, either serve notice to withdraw from NAFTA or get used to
bending over. It seems all parties have gotten to like bending over.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:38 PM
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5. Right said...
You win...I am far too verbose.

That's it in a nutshell...thx

What's the solution...another 20 rullings in Canada's favour while the Americans buy up our lumber industry anyway...

(psst it's topic I can very little about since it has 'elite interests' stamped all over it)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:51 PM
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8. I used to support it when I only read the "headlines", once I took the
time to read and understand it, I now understand what a bad agreement it is. I don't spend a lot of time fighting about it, I don't like hitting my head against a brick wall. If it ever becomes a hot political issue, I will step into the fray, as it were, but I don't see that happening in the near future.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 09:12 PM
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10. Reciprocity Treaty, 1911
The Reciprocity Agreement in 1911 was much more than a debate over a trading arrangement between the United States and Canada. The colonies in British North America had first signed a reciprocity treaty -- as a free trade deal was then called -- with the Americans in 1854. The arrangement was terminated by the Americans ten years later in 1864. American protectionists and annexationists believed that the loss of the treaty would cause severe economic turmoil in the British colonies and thus force them to join the United States. Ironically, the cancelation of the treaty helped to foster a sense of nationalism among the British North American colonists and led, in part, to the creation of Canada. Even so, the new nation state continued to hope for a renewal of the free trade deal with their southern neighbour which remained a large market on Canada's doorstep. While more than half of Canada's exports went to Britain compared with less than 40 percent to the United States, nearly 60 percent of Canada's imports came from south of the border. Likewise, American direct investment of $254 million in 1909 in the Canadian economy, especially in the manufacturing sector, was more than double that of the British investors who continued to have indirect investments in Canada. *An ideal trade connection is when foreign countries import more from your country than you import from them.

When Prime Minister Sir Wilfrid Laurier and his Liberal government succeeded in negotiating a free trade agreement for natural products and a short list of manufactured goods with the United States in late January, 1911, the debate and the subsequent election on the issue turned into a plebiscite on the nature of Canada. The opponents of reciprocity, led by businessmen in Central Canada and the Conservative Party, argued that the choice was one between Canadian nationalism with its strong British connections, and the continentalization of North America, with the United States as the dominant centre. With free trade, the opponents argued, Canada would be Americanized and the British heritage would be destroyed. The supporters of reciprocity argued unsuccessfully that it was simply just a good economic deal for Canada. Not so, the Conservative leader Robert Borden repeatedly told the voters; the Reciprocity Agreement represented a crucial juncture in Canada's history: 'We must decide whether the spirit of Canadianism or that of continentalism shall prevail on the northern half of this continent.' Borden waved the old British flag and beat loudly on the patriotic drum as Canada's first Prime Minister, John A. Macdonald, had done in his last election in 1891.

Laurier, who had now been in office for more than 15 years, could scarcely defend himself against such nationalist rhetoric. To compound Laurier's problem, he was seen in Quebec as being too imperialistic in his proposal for a Canadian navy and his involvement of Canadians in the Boer War. In a moment of despair during the 1911 campaign, he commented, 'I am branded in Quebec as a traitor to the French and in Ontario as a traitor to the English ... In Quebec I am attacked as an Imperialist, and in Ontario as an anti-Imperialist.' Such is the nature of Canadian politics. The supporters of free trade lost in 1911, and Borden replaced Laurier as Canada's prime minister. For the time being, at least, the British connection was secure, especially when Canada joined in the conflagration brought by the Great War just three years later.

http://www.mta.ca/faculty/arts/canadian_studies/english/about/study_guide/debates/reciprocity.html

Get back in the boat!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:43 PM
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6. Didn't this news happen a couple of weeks ago? ANOTHER ruling?
This is a problem for Harper. He's signed on to a bad deal, and our negotiating position keeps getting better.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:47 PM
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7. Uh oh, Kindasleazy's going to be busy going to the Mideast. How will she..
ever try and re-re-negotiate a settlement on this?


:rofl:

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 08:53 PM
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9. "No one could have known NAFTA would rule this way..."
:rofl:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:04 PM
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11. NAFTA cheating is saving Canadian forests
Look on the bright side. At least they are not getting cut down quite so fast this way.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:13 PM
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12. Probably Just As Fast
But the trees are shipped without the value added. Don't think that we are adding value.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:19 PM
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13. That could be
A trucker friend says he thinks there is less wood crossing the border, but that's just an anecdote. He supports Harper, by the way.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:26 PM
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14. That could well be, lumber companies can only stockpile so much
before it is no longer economically viable to continue.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 05:37 AM
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15. The * administration should be ashamed.
Free trade is free trade. NAFTA is clear, and the attempt to placate the domestic lumber industry is disgusting.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-22-06 06:39 AM
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16. The whole point of ignoring rulings is to force the PM into a deal. A
deal that sets a new precedent for NAFTA... and diminishes the dispute settlement mechanism (like it has already been 5 times...but a precedent would make it permanent). Then, because Americans can attack any industry in Canada willy-nilly with no consequences... Canada would be forced to the table to renegotiate a trade deal..this time UNION.

I believe Harper's government will fall on this issue. There is no way that Harper could be anything but supportive of the idea of forcing Canada to "negotiate" a Union with the USA... since he is a neocon and that is what neocons are all about.. (American hegemoney). Finally his true colors will be shown to Canadians.
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