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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:30 PM
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Democrats Press Bush to Take More Direct Role in Middle East

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aIC...

Democrats Press Bush to Take More Direct Role in Middle East

July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic lawmakers in the U.S. pressed President George W. Bush to involve the U.S. more directly in trying to negotiate a halt in fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

``Condi Rice ought to be going to the area immediately,'' Senator Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, said of the U.S. secretary of State today on ``Fox News Sunday.'' ``This is a situation that could spin out of control.''

The U.S. is continuing to rely on the efforts of a United Nations mission and those of governments in the region to begin negotiations, and Rice said she is ready to make a trip to the region to prod along negotiations ``when I believe that I can make a difference.''

``Simply going in and shuttling back and forth, if you don't know where you're trying to go, is not going to help,'' she said in a separate interview on the Fox program.


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:36 PM
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1. Are you kidding? Bush fucks up everything he touches.
The least bad option here is for Bush to stay out of this all together. Anything proactive that he tries to do will surely only make things worse.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:38 PM
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5. Amen. Asking Bush to help in the ME is akin to asking....
...a using drug addict to help eradicate the meth problem.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:06 PM
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32. I was gonna say...
Urging the shrub to take a more active hand in the region is like trying to douse a fire with gasoline. We'd better pray he stays far, far away from the episode, or we'll be facing world war in no time.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:37 PM
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2. A "more direct role?"
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 04:38 PM by Kutjara
These clowns couldn't be any less direct if they were riding around on mountain bikes in St. Petersb...oh, never mind.

My cat is taking a more direct role in the Middle East than BushCo, and she's currently asleep on the rug dreaming about mice.

Condi's remarks are unbelievable. For a supposed diplomat to say 'don't wanna be shuttling around the area not knowing what's going on' displays an almost criminal inability to do her job.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:21 AM
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29. 'cause Condi's skeered'
that's why she's not going!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:37 PM
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3. To all the vegetarians out there, please
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:38 PM
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4. The eruption of war where there was no war is his role
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 05:31 PM by kenny blankenship
I wonder if they have what it takes to point that out?

Let's not forget the agonizing exertions he went through to avoid war in Iraq, right?
War isn't just a possible answer for Bush, it's his whole worldview, politically in terms of domestic policy, in terms of partisanship, in terms of his religous beliefs, everything. War "works for" George Bush, in the sense that he literally isn't comfortable with any other way of being. Even his admirers say that before the 9/11 attack Bush seemed lost and uninterested in the new job his daddy's friends got for him. And the polarization effect that war has on everyone involved or just witnessing it serves to reinforce his faith in his view of the world as a perpetual death match for dominance. Unfortunately it also works in a similar way on many many Americans. It HAS to be like this y'see they think to themselves. Good's gotta fight Evil. We kidded ourselves for years but it was always bound to come to this... So war not only gets him what he and his backers want in an immediate sense--they get a big siphon struck into Iraq (and in this latest instance they get a big body count of Muslims which is always good, and the Palestinian problem is shovelled still further underground), but it also works for Bush in a more general way. It drives Americans to rely on him continually as the Maximum Leader in a neverending moment of national peril, as well driving them to embrace his terrifying vision of the world as a perpetual slaughterhouse with no better way of living available to human nature.

If you believe in the potential of international cooperation and cooperative policies within your own society and economy you'd do well to produce evidence that cooperation works and produces benefits. If on the other hand you believe in life and the world as a nonstop Texas cage match for domination with no rules but winner take all--as Conservatives do and George Bush does and as all believers in Original Sin also believe--then it's in your interest to convince more people to share this view of life by making the conditions they see around them conform to the horrible outline of your theory. War therefore for a ruler like George Bush is hardly something to discourage, avoid or shun, as the prevalence of war in the world "validates everything we've been saying."
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:42 PM
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6. Democrats press Bull to take more direct role in China Shop
WTF?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:43 PM
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7. Why Not Call For Impeachment--Do Something Useful!
Silly rabbits.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:46 PM
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8. Bush could stop this if he wanted to
He could call for a cease fire backed by UN resolutions.

He could ask for Syrian and Iranian assistance in reining in Hezbollah.

He could call for a multinational force to disengage Israeli and Hezbullah forces in southern Lebanon.

He could cut off jet fuel transfers to Israel if they continue their air campaign against non-Hezbullah Lebanese targets.

He could do all this and more...

But he won't

This is the run-up to the strike against Iran - and when that happens we can kiss our jobs, our economy and our IRA's goodbye.

Is all this worth the *heavy* price we will pay for this insanity????
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:50 PM
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11. Exactly. This is the 9-11 of his second term. He's not going to stand in
its way.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:48 PM
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9. What is the other Connecticut Senator saying?
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 04:49 PM by BrotherBuzz
There may be a real dilemma brewing for Joe at a very inconvenient time.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:56 PM
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13. well, I can gues.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:49 PM
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10. They are right, that's his job. Every time this nation actually needs him
he's derelict. In August of 01 he couldn't read a memo. On 9-11 he jumped on a plane and fled like a coward on the day America most needed a leader, then lied about why he did it. When gas prices began spiraling upwards out of control, he was frickin' clueless, like he expected the problem to just fix itself, or someone to fix it for him. When New Orleans and Mississippi needed him, he was air guitaring at a fundraiser in California.

For once in that sorry fuck's life he should at least try to do something right. He's got actual negotiators at his disposal, he wouldn't have to even do anything himself. Just make a damn call.

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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:44 AM
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30. Clinton laid the foundation in the ME upon leaving his tenure as Prez
and this resident hasn't done squat in the last 6 yrs. as far as I could see to carry on any modicum of world diplomacy where it matters. I'm on the verge of distraught lately. It's a veritable nightmare one awakens to each day. Those with convictions (brass ones) need to be unrelentingly vocal in demanding DIPLOMACY in lieu of fighting/killing. I'm so sick of it.
With each new disaster here or abroad, I say out loud to my husband that XXXX should've kept his nose in his own backyard. If the U.S. is strong at home, only then can we get involved in conflicts abroad WITH DIPLOMACY. We're headed down the path of destruction, not righteousness.

P_P

:dem:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 04:55 PM
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12. by condi's statement--the US is at a lose at to WHAT to do!


.....The U.S. is continuing to rely on the efforts of a United Nations mission and those of governments in the region to begin negotiations, and Rice said she is ready to make a trip to the region to prod along negotiations ``when I believe that I can make a difference.''
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:18 PM
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15. She's bimbo-ing out of it...
rhetorically, she's batting her eyelids and twirling finger in hair. (Ugh, sorry about that imagery, just grossed m'self out as well.)
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:14 PM
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14. C'mon now...
nobody's even asking what Dick wants!
:sarcasm:
(Say, where is he?)
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:51 PM
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25. In the bunker, pushing the buttons, running the show. n/t
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 07:48 PM
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31. F'real nt
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:23 PM
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16. Bush :the most worthless POS around!!!!!!!!!!
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:31 PM
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17. I thought the majority of congress fully support Israel's right to "exist
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 05:34 PM by Malva Zebrina
and to "defend itself". Who in this congress is fully coming forth with truth about the situation in the ME? Truly, it is axiomatic that all American congressmen, with few exceptions, must support Israel, no matter what the facts and no matter what it does that is barbaric. It seems that ignoring all the previous rules about killing civilians and childre, those damn terrorist children are now obsolete. Kill anyone is the mode of the day in the ME,

--because, after all, the right to defend one's own country is a god given right.

Except no other nation has that god given right, according to their god, in the ME?
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:34 PM
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18. Sorry to say...But that motherfucker Bush* won't do shit.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 05:46 PM
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19. Bush to Take More Direct Role in Middle East???
:eyes: :spray:
:rofl: :yoiks:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:55 PM
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26. He's given his blessing to all of this......
MIHOP!

There's an election fast approaching, don't you know??!!

It's time to create fear....beat the drums....

"terra, terra, terra!"
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OneMultnomahDem Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:11 PM
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20. Bush took long mountain bike ride today on G8 grounds
I think he has more important things he needs to attend to.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:12 PM
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21. "This is a situation that could spin out of control". Hmm... could it be
that having it "spin out of control" is what BushCo wants to have happen?

Can BushCo truly be this totally inept and clueless? If not then that leaves deliberate and cruel or 100 times crazier then the mad hatter ... or both... as the other options... :scared:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:17 PM
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22. Nope, we are better off with his stupid mouth in duct tape.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 06:21 PM
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23. LIke how? Look at the damage he's done already.
Better if he keeps his crummy hands out of the ME, isn't it?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:41 PM
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24. EVERTHING this WAR Criminal has ever touched turns to SHIT.
I say keep him far away from anything important!

That goes for ALL repukes, too.

Bring back Clinton - he was a master at world affairs.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:06 AM
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27. Are they nuts? What do they want this fool involved for?
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 12:19 AM
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28. Bush is doing exactly what he wants to do.
Wasn't it in last month The New Yorker that printed how Bush believes he was meant to be President because only "he" is strong enough to do what needs to be done right now? No other man, or President to be could make the hard decisions concerning Iran and the Middle East?

He just wants Syria to take the bait. We can only hope Syria knows that.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 09:26 PM
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33. The White House: The Legacy on the Line
What freaking legacy would that be?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13881743/site/newsweek /

snip>

To Bush's delight, key U.S. allies offered support. The Saudis issued a statement implicitly blaming Hizbullah for the hostilities, saying "it is necessary to make a distinction between legitimate resistance and irresponsible adventurism adopted by certain elements within the state." Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah II, in Cairo, echoed that view in a joint statement.

In the longer run, however, it is the calls Bush didn'tor couldn'tmake that might mean the difference in containing this new Mideast conflict. As part of his policy of isolating terror-supporting groups and nations, the Bush administration has no relationship with any of the other parties at war or the states behind them. That apparently means no dialogue, even through back channels, with Iran, Syria, Hizbullah and Hamas. Senior U.S. officials also said Bush and Rice had no intention of appointing a special envoy at this time. (Welch, having conducted all-day meetings with Israeli officials and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, took off on a previously scheduled trip to Libya over the weekend.) As a result, the president must watch and hope while his whole Mideast legacyhis goal of transforming a region that is the primary source for Islamist terrorismstands at risk. Also on the line is his strategy of isolating Iran, as tensions mounted between Washington and Europe over Israel's action. "Usually in the past, whenever there was a crisis in the Mideast, the U.S. would immediately dispatch a high-level envoy," said Imad Moustapha, the Syrian ambassador to Washington, confirming that his government had received no U.S. contacts except a request for visas for Americans fleeing Lebanon to Damascus. "This time the only thing the United States is doing is blaming parties, assigning responsibility. There's nothing else."

snip>

Bush knows all too well that the two major agendas of his presidencyantiterrorism and the promotion of democracyare in danger of colliding with each other in Lebanon. Not surprisingly, says a senior Israeli official, his country is getting mixed signals from Washington. "We're getting support, and we're getting requests to tone down. But no pressure at this point." No doubt the Israelis have reminded the administration that they warned Washington last year it was rushing into Palestinian elections too quicklythat instant democracy would only empower Hamas. The warning was brushed off by the Bush team.

But even the Israeli official says a third-party mediator will be needed as the war escalates. He says that job could be filled by Washington, or possibly the United Nations (a U.N. mission is underway). "That's what it's going to take," he says. But he adds: "Who's going to take the lead?" One day soon, Bush may have to revisit that question.




Why won't Dimson make that call? Cuz he's an arrogant, stubborn jack-ass - or - things are going as planned. Another MIHOP/LIHOP

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13904410/site/newsweek /

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As the war in the Mideast escalates, the real issue going forward is whether Bush will continue his own policy of non-engagement with the Syrians, despite what Syrian ambassador to the United State Imad Moustapha describes as interest in Damascus in talking again under the right circumstances. And the CIA has been telling the White House for two years now that America lost a valuable cooperative relationship, especially in fighting the Iraqi insurgency, when Bush cut off ties between the two intelligence communities. Moustapha told me in an interview late last week that this cooperation, which ended in January 2005, will not resume until Washington stops bashing Syrian President Bashar Assad in public. "We're not asking you to praise Syria, just stop this campaign against us," Moustapha said. "What broke the neck of the camel was when we helped with the capture of Sabawi and 32 of his aides. Then the next day we were getting bashed again. We thought enough was enough." Damascus was also angered when Washington blew the cover of one of its operatives, he says.

U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed to NEWSWEEK that a Syrian tip led to Sabawi's capture. Indeed, in the last few years before contacts were cut off, says one intelligence expert who works on contract with the Pentagon, Syrian intelligence helped avert two major attacks on U.S. targets-the U.S. embassy in Ottawa, Canada, and a Navy base in Bahrain. "There was a lot of wonderful cooperation," he says. That started to sour when U.S. occupation officials at first were angered by Assad's alleged support of the Iraq insurgency (the finger-pointing at Damascus stopped more than a year ago, even though the attacks continue unabated). And Washington began to attack Assad publicly in earnest after the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in February 2005, although a U.N. investigation has not drawn any definite conclusions yet about Assad's alleged personal complicity. While Syrian intelligence was almost certainly involved in the Hariri killing, the investigating judge, Serge Brammertz, recently praised the Damascus's cooperation with the probe.

No one doubts that Syria has an anti-American agenda, certainly an anti-Israeli one, or that Assad is harboring hardliners like Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal in Damascus. But Bush seems to have made Syria, bit by bit, a charter member of his "axis of evil" rogues gallery-regimes he will not deal with on any level because they support terror and are anti-democratic. If the U.S. president is still harboring hopes of regime change in Damascus, in the middle of a conflagration that has radicalized many parts of the Arab Middle East, he might want to think again. Were Assad's regime to be toppled, the mosaic of competing sects and ethnicities that makes up Syria could explode into conflict, and some Islamist GROUPS that are natural allies for Hamas and Hizbullah-and possibly Al Qaeda-are already gaining in influence. One U.S. official says that that American pressure on Syria, which includes limited financial sanctions imposed in 2004, may be "radicalizing the country."

And on a more practical level, Bush really needs someone right now who can persuade Syria to stand down from the ongoingand escalatingwar. After Hariri was killed, U.S. and French officials began demanding that Syria end its sway over Lebanon. Last week, after Hizbullah attacked Israel, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice demanded publicly that Syria do something about Lebanon. Perhaps Bush was right, someone should "get Syria to get Hizbullah to stop doing this." Maybe it should be him.

There's one more interesting issue raised by the U.S. president's impromptu aside to Blair. Why Bush was so focused on Syria when publicly he and his top aides have fingered Iran as the chief culprit? The answer to that question may have to await another candid comment.

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