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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:14 PM
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Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say
June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.

The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages.

``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This undermines that assertion.''

The lawsuit is related to an alleged NSA program to record and store data on calls placed by subscribers. More than 30 suits have been filed over claims that the carriers, the three biggest U.S. telephone companies, violated the privacy rights of their customers by cooperating with the NSA in an effort to track alleged terrorists.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abI...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:17 PM
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1. Oh, that treasonous, terrorist loving Bloomberg
Why I oughta.....
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:43 PM
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6. Interesting! Imagine if the call records determine, Bush knew ...
an attack on the US was eminent.

makes you go, hmmmm!
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:51 PM
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7. Bush knew
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 10:54 PM by hpot
Here is ample evidence of government foreknowledge, judge for yourself.

Video: Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=675726700840074...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:12 AM
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16. Thanks,
My Quick Time is broken and I don't know how to fix it.

But thanks anyway-
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Biernuts Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:34 PM
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29. Call records don't contain "internals", the contents of a call
Call records include the "externals", the calling number, called number and duration. Phone companies have to produce them in order to bill customers.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 11:22 AM
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43. I thought this had been reported already. But I don't remember
where. I mean, is this news? We used it in a column during the Hayden hearings.

So much propaganda, so few memory units!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:19 PM
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2. And another Bush lie is exposed!
Bush wanted to spy on us long before 9-11, just as Cheney wanted to take over the oil fields in Iraq in February 2001.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 11:13 AM
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42. And wanted the Afghan pipeline right of way and threatened to bomb
Afghanistan in June 2001 if they didn't agree...they didn't agree to the deal.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:30 PM
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3. This just blows a hole through all sorts of s**t.
"Patriot Act? We don't need no stinking..."

Treasonous Bastards

k&r
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:38 PM
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4. ain wise to buyin the spyin guys' lies
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:40 PM
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5. Wanted to monitor to make sure 9/11 was going off without a hitch...
The tinfoil hat morphs into plausible reality.

J
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:00 PM
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8. This adds credence to the Bushco dictatorship scenario
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

GW and Dark Cheney never intended anything less than a takeover of America, and ultimately, the world. 9/11 merely provided them with additional political currency, though they squandered it on a war so thoroughly ill-advised that Vietnam should sue Iraq for defamation.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:46 AM
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18. You Forgot To Add That Butthead Chuckle At The End (n/t)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:59 PM
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25. Heh-->

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:01 PM
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9. So, as soon as Bush was inaugurated?
They really know how to plan ahead.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:51 PM
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12. No, they've been planning since Poppy lost to Clinton..n/t
n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 05:08 PM
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27. They've been planning
since Poppy had Kennedy offed.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:31 PM
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28. Touche..
Out of fear of becoming embroiled in a symantic argument with a rapterous poster..
I defer to your asessment as the gold standard and genesis of the ruthlessnes and pervasive evil!
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:30 PM
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10. so, yet AGAIN, they've been caught in a colossal LIE
but i'm sure its bloomberg who will be next excoriated by the far right pundits as traitors for exposing this little fact.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:43 PM
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11. We're lucky Greg Palast caught this NSA pre-9/11 'policy shift'
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 11:48 PM by EVDebs
that Bunnypants & Co. instituted

""A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die."" from

Khan Job: Bush Spiked Probe of Pakistan’s Dr. Strangelove, BBC reported in 2001
Monday, February 9, 2004
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=312

Looks like we've got our 'smoking gun' with these pre 9-11 intelligence gathering operations, huh ? Too bad the R's control Congress or we'd have the truth out by now.

BTW, Dems should be looking into what the Ptech FBI "investigation" uncovered, oh excused me, I meant covered up.

How Much did the FBI know about P Tech?
http://cbs4boston.com/iteam/local_story_343145212.html

R's should be ashamed of themselves, and if the media even mentioned this in a broader context they would have to fold their circus tent !

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:09 AM
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14. This is RICO ACT material...
Attorneys at the NYT should be able to piece together this scenario
and publicly demand, on behalf of the American people, a Special
Prosecutor (not a commission) be appointed for an investigation.

Actually, even better, if Fitzgerald could tie this in to the Plame
investigation while chanting, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:04 PM
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21. How about the AG of New York Eliot Spitzer?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 05:32 AM
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36. He's running for governor
So I don't think he'll be available.

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Biernuts Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:16 PM
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22. The NYT doesn't do a damn thing on behalf of the people
They are a for profit corporation responsible only to their shareholders. They are not a 4th branch of government and have no special priveleges not available to you and me. Their power comes from selling information, period. As a general rule, never get into a pissing contest with anyone who buys ink by the barrel.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:51 PM
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26. I think you've missed the point..
Their shareholders are people like the Rockefellers, Phippses, Murdock etc.
What does that tell you.. They've had enough of the debauchery promulgated by the Bush Administration.
When ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, they fold their arm and let it rip..I'm hoping they continue.

It remains to be seen what will be the next derogatory headline (secret revealed), if there is one.
If in fact, we are witnessing the beginning stages of the dismantling of the Bush Junta. I'm all for it.

Time will tell. It always does.
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badgervan Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:06 AM
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13. Wow!
If true, this is big time. Big Brother exposed. Now, let's hope that our remaining honorable and brave media gets on this hot and heavy.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:11 AM
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15. This is PURE Corruption from Top to Bottom! n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:19 AM
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17. All I can say is a conspiracy to violate rights guaranteed by OUR,...
,...constitution AND,...

,...a potential conspiracy to cover-up the worst crime ever committed against the nation by domestic enemies.

That's all.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:55 AM
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19. So whent the F*ck are Americans going to wake up & realize that these NSA
warrantless programs etc. have nothing to do with terrorism and 9/11??????? When are Americans going to realize that the constant screams of "Terror, terror, terror" and that the Bush Administrations claims that they are doing this to keep us safe are BULLSHIT!!!!!!

I don't know what makes me angrier: The Bush Administration doing this illegal crap or the clueless asleep Americans who let it happen and accept it!]

:grr:
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:08 AM
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20. This has been known since February
...for those who care to listen:

Bush Authorized Domestic Spying Before 9/11
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Friday 13 January 2006

The National Security Agency advised President Bush in early 2001 that it had been eavesdropping on Americans during the course of its work monitoring suspected terrorists and foreigners believed to have ties to terrorist groups, according to a declassified document.

The NSA's vast data-mining activities began shortly after Bush was sworn in as president and the document contradicts his assertion that the 9/11 attacks prompted him to take the unprecedented step of signing a secret executive order authorizing the NSA to monitor a select number of American citizens thought to have ties to terrorist groups.

In its "Transition 2001" report, the NSA said that the ever-changing world of global communication means that "American communication and targeted adversary communication will coexist."

more...
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:00 PM
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23. I bet you they originally set this up to gather information on their
political opponents.
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Biernuts Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:41 PM
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30. Got any proof? NSA is made up of career civil servants and
military personnel. Unlike the CIA, there are no political patronage positions at NSA.

Whatever has been going on, Pelosi and Reid have been in gang brief on it all. If there were political activities, they could denounce it all from the floor of the House or Senate with complete constitutional immunity. Last time I looked, they haven't.

When we throw around reckless charges like yours, we make Karl Rove's job easier as more and more write DU off as just a collection of nutcases who will say anything.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:52 AM
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33. Wow, you must be really concerned about perception of DU-ers
That's the second post I've seen tonight on that subject from you.

Well, like another poster said, "Thank you for your concern."




Cher
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:54 AM
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35. It was outsourced to corporations. nt
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 05:34 AM
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37. Pelosi and Reid
were not even in leadership positions when the Bush Cabal took over in 2001 and started this 'program'.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 07:29 AM
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39. I know Civil Servants, I'm the daughter of a REAL Civil Servant
and I doubt very much that what is happening today would be happening if we had kept the core civil servants in place in this government, instead of the slothing them off over the decades. The only people we have today that is ANYTHING like the old civil servants are librarians. People who know their obligation to society and will refuse a direct order before breaking the law.

And you're spouting out of the old Karl Rove playbook when you say that Pelosi and Reid were in on those meetings. Just look how we got ourselves into Iraq and you'll see the flaw in that argument. Democrats, like Rockerfeller, were only fed a portion of information. "Brief" is the operative word and secrecy was asked of them. So the rest of the Democratic Senators knew even less. However, when everything blew up in everybody's face, suddenly you have Republicans trying to hide behind the Democrats saying that they were "IN" on it. No they weren't. They were used.

A real civil servant. Unbelievable. The prima facie case that the NSA is part of the problem, is that no one in the NSA is coming out to protect the integrity of the organization. No whistleblowers of good conscience.

Would you like to be the first? I'm like Kerry. I'm willing to change my mind if new information warrants it.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:25 PM
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45. Pelosi responds:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:30 PM
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24. 9-11: the biggest excuse in history
Hell-bent on world domination and subjugation of all others, these guys have been on the same path since well before they got their juicy justification.
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ast_liberal2008 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 01:37 AM
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32. Totally..
They have written so much about the need for a new 'Pearl Harbor' to launch their assault on the Constitution. They got that by MIHOP, and they have taken full advantage of it so far.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 01:30 AM
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31. Is this part of the Groundbreaker program?
Anyone know?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 02:54 AM
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34. more MIHOP fuel. they got the program started and then came up with the
excuse.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 05:54 AM
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38. So glad to see this story.If something solid isn't done with it,we'll know
the problem we're facing with the little emperor is far worse than we already believed.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 07:42 AM
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40. ``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11''
of the year 2000


All of Bush's corrupt machinations were in place by then.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 11:29 AM
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44. Far dirtier than anything I've ever heard of a U.S. President doing.
Who would imagine a President of a country would be this dirty?
Welcome to D.U., Maribelle.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 08:40 AM
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41. It looks like this information
won't stop terra after all.

How many times have they used the excuse that if they'd had this information then the attack could have been avoided? Whoops, another lie.
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