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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:18 PM
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Berkeley votes to impeach Bush

http://orovillemr.com/news/bayarea/ci_3990270

Berkeley votes to impeach Bush

BERKELEY - The People's Republic of Berkeley has done it again.
The liberal, left-leaning city has become the first city in the nation to put a referendum on the Nov. 7 ballot to impeach President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

Anti-war mom Cindy Sheehan and Daniel Ellsberg, a Vietnam whistle-blower who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times, both spoke in favor of the resolution at Tuesday's City Council meeting.

``Berkeley is a place where things begin,'' said Mayor Tom Bates. ``It was the first place in the nation that called for divestment from South Africa, it was the first city in the nation to have curb cuts for disabled people, we were the first city in the nation to have dog parks and the first city in the nation to really protest the Vietnam War,'' Bates said.



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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:26 PM
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1. I'm moving back to Berkeley
just so I can vote to impeach the bastards. Yea, Berkeley!

:applause:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:29 PM
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2. And this will accomplish...?
Making people feel good? I don't know...
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:30 PM
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3. expressing dissent is where it all starts...
always
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:44 PM
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5. Good answer! I am sick and tired of whiny dems
who get all pissy because this or that single action (petition, referrendum, whatever) might have only marginal effects. We're not gonna bring down this entrenched junta overnight, folks! We're not gonna wake up tomorrow and see rethuglican heads up on spikes in front of the white house. Every little bit helps. The pessimism and defeatism you responded to are one reason why the supposed center-left majority has been consistently beaten out by a monolithic right wing that hears the magic word of the month (queer marriage!!!) and rush to the polls like lemmings to elect wingnuts who couldn't care less for them.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:34 PM
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15. Another good answer.
:thumbsup:
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:53 PM
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28. Yeah
It's when people don't bother to move past actions like this that I get pissed off. Symbolic gestures are all well and good, but they're useless if there's no followup.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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6. Yeah...fuck it...I'm not voting in November...
the results are uncertain, so why bother?
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:35 PM
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34. You're kidding, right? eom
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fearthem Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:46 PM
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7. Such actions are how trends start!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:06 PM
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9. Like all of those town resolutions against the Patriot Act
they were so successful that the Patriot Act was renewed indefinitely.

You want Bush impeached? Then work to elect a Democratic Congress. These town resolutions are a feel good waste of time.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:49 PM
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10. They Get the Word IMPEACHMENT In the News! NOT A Waste of Time
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:17 PM
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11. Why can't someone do both actions? It calls attention to impeachment and
keeps the dialog alive. Of course the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act was extended. That is because the US Congress is not working for the good of the American people, same reason they don't impeach. Communities will need to pile on, like Berkeley is doing, until it becomes so painfully obvious to all that the Congress will HAVE to respond.

Do you actually believe that just because you get a Dem majority you're going to get an impeachment?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:22 PM
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12. Well Then Watch Others Do It
And wish for the best....:shrug:
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:01 PM
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17. The Democrats that overwhelmingly passed PATRIOT?
just working on your logic here.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:26 PM
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22. Lead, follow, or get out of the way ...
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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:43 PM
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36. Why was it, again, that we can't do both?
I didn't realize the two were mutually exclusive.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:11 PM
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20. Berkeley did it, some towns in VT did it, it's a growing trend
I hope :applause:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:28 PM
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24. no kidding, bsg.
See my post #23
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:28 PM
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33. It means more to me than a "West Wing" campaign for the Presidency.
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 02:29 PM by 94114_San_Francisco
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, no?

edit: subject line
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:31 PM
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4. Those folks in Berkeley are great!
...they were a pain in the ass for Richard Nixon and I hope and pray they will be a thorn in Dick Cheney's and George Dubya's eyes
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 04:59 PM
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8. How warm and fuzzy.
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 04:59 PM by onehandle
Meanwhile, I'll work to get a Democratic House to make Impeachment possible.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:31 PM
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13. Hehehe.... n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:31 PM
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14. The Free Speech Movement of the early Sixties was born in Berkeley.
Barbara Lee represents Berkeley and Oakland, and she was the lone vote in the house against a war that went bad.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:45 PM
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16. I was there for 6.5 years in the late 80's & early 90's - NO action then!
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 08:46 PM by IndyOp
Now I am back in the midwest and Berkeley gets interesting again.

:eyes:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:15 PM
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21. We had action then
Wow did we have action then!

Oh not that kind of action. nevermind. :D
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:54 PM
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29. It's the Law of Colleges
They get more interesting right after you leave. My own certainly did.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:08 PM
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18. Yes! The PEOPLE have spoken nt
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:10 PM
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19. A number of other towns have passed impeachment resolutions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x641621

But I haven't heard of another referendum. Should be interesting. Good for Berkeley!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:27 PM
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23. What a waste
while the GOP is pruning voter rolls, flooding newsrooms with 4th reich sypathizers, and spying on our phone conversations, this is what our side is doing.

Doomed.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:10 PM
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26. Shall we join the "other side"
in breaking the law? I say grassroots is where it all begins. What's your suggestions?
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:42 PM
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25. Hah! I just spent the day there today
and can tell you that they would be well advised to tend to city business instead of national politics!
Potholes, dirty streets, abandoned buildings stand in mute testimony to the failures of the local government to tend to local issues. I love Berkeley but the city government is off in La-La Land.


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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:37 PM
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35. Oh, bullshit.
How are they "tending" national politics? This is simply a local civic government expressing the values of their community. It seems odd to indict them over this issue, imho.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:32 PM
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27. The impeachment movement deserves support and...
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 11:34 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...could become a reality.

http://www.alternet.org/story/35467

Here's a great piece by playwright, Bill C. Davis that speaks to the importance of it:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0502-28.htm
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 12:56 AM
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30. one more grass roots effort since our state and
federal congress critters have no political courage. If the leaders won't lead it's time to push them out of the way and show them how to be courageous.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:03 AM
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31. anyone know if there were similar
resolutions and of the amount during the Clinton impeachment broohahah? or even during the heyday of the Nixon Watergate Scandal?
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:10 AM
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32. Screw the formalities! I Vote
to put them both in jail !!!!!!!!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:53 PM
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37. Yay! Could they vote to legalize LSD, too?
I had to take a lot of acid to earn the right to tell that joke.
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