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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:57 PM
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ABC: Amid Iraq Debate, a Document Mystery
Talking Points, From Pentagon Office, May Have Been Illegal

June 15, 2006 -- Going into Thursday's Iraq debate in Congress, both sides had news points to bolster their arguments — for war supporters, it was recent the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and the completion of the Iraqi cabinet; for war critics, the fact that U.S. deaths in Iraq today hit 2,500.

Both also went into the debate armed with political talking points. The most unusual came via a document sent out by Office of the Secretary of Defense to an assortment of congressional aides, as well as to the Iraqi Embassy and the U.S. Ambassador to Belgium. The 74-page document is an exhaustive rebuttal of criticisms of the war and a defense of the administration's conduct of the war.

The document, labeled "Iraq floor debate prep book," was emailed on Wednesday afternoon to a handful of Democrats as well as Republicans — and was then abruptly recalled. Thursday afternoon, Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) sent a letter to Rumsfeld complaining that his office had spent "taxpayer dollars to produce partisan political documents." Lautenberg also suggested that the document may have violated laws prohibiting the Executive Branch from using taxpayer dollars for lobbying and propaganda activities.

The Pentagon later said the document was produced by the National Security Council — but did not offer an explanation as to why it was sent out by the Office of the Secretary of Defense.


Republicans on the Hill were not happy that the document was sent to Democrats — or that it was produced at all. "I've never seen anything like it," said one Republican aide, noting that the document went well beyond a Statement of Administration Policy. "I mean, a 74-page document — are you kidding me?" The aide added: "It did more harm than good for the Republican cause."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2082838&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Whoops!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:58 PM
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1. Republicans on the Hill were not happy that the document was sent to
Democrats---I bet they weren't happy!!
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:05 PM
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44. Will this story make it to the talking heads on Sunday? n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 10:59 PM
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2. not the first time they did it... just the first time they got caught
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:02 PM
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3. where can we get a copy of this ...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:03 PM
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5. It was recalled so I doubt it's available
-without consequence. If they could have gotten away with it, they would have.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:12 PM
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7. somneone had to scan it
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:28 PM
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9. A CBS evening news REPEATER was holding it.
In fact she read a few excerpts.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 07:20 AM
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23. Repeater. I like that.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:54 PM
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40. they were just asked to send it back.. no one did
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:37 PM
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45. Good. Thanks
A radio host today was talking about what a sacrifice of autonomy it was for the WH (via the DoD) to provide these talking points for the debate to the repubs in Congress. I thought that was insightful.
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marcus_b Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 05:32 AM
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21. Link to the document and info about its possible author
The whole document appears to be available from:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/Iraq%20Floor%20Debate%20Prep%20Book.doc
This document, "Iraq Floor Debate Prep Book.doc" has the following MD5 checksum:
58b3f1cead0eb8a550f50771154529c1 Iraq Floor Debate Prep Book.doc
It contains the following content at byte address 1526000 (hexadecimal 1748F0):

001748f0: 1d00 0000 436c 6175 6465 5f48 2e5f 4368 ....Claude_H._Ch
00174900: 6166 696e 4077 686f 2e65 6f70 2e67 6f76 [email protected]
00174910: 0000 6e00 1e00 0000 1200 0000 4368 6166 ..n.........Chaf
00174920: 696e 2c20 436c 6175 6465 2048 2e00 686f in, Claude H..ho

The two strings contained here are in plain text:

[email protected]
Chafin, Claude H.

This suggests that this document at least passed through the computer at Claude Chafin's desk. I digged up the following information about this person:
"Claude Chafin, United States Department of Defense is listed in the Federal Yellow Book and The Leadership Library® on the Internet." http://www.leadershipdirectories.com/fybInfo/Claude_Cha...
"Claude Chafin Director of Communications, United States Department of Defense"
http://www.leadershipprofiles.com/preview.asp?docid=448...
"For more information on this event please contact Claude Chafin at (703) 614-8423."
http://www.defenselink.mil/advisories/2003/p01242003_p0...
I don't know if this information is interesting or useful to anybody. Does this look like the NSC to you?
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 06:02 AM
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22. who.eop = White House Office.Executive Office of the President
Claude may have worked in other places, but looks like he is DoubleDip's boy or red herring now.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:57 PM
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41. so the Pentagon and Rethug party are using taxpayers money for propaganda.
i want to heads roll and pensions shredded
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:03 PM
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4. good for Lautenberg - that was my exact thought -
why in the hell are we having to pay to print and distribute reich-wing propaganda with our tax dollar?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2339776&mesg_id=2339896

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:11 PM
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6. "Republicans on the Hill were not happy "....
...yeah, ok whatever, but they'll still give Der Fuhrer whatever he wants.
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:16 PM
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8.  Recommend Topic for Greatest Page.
:kick:
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:29 PM
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10. ...The military is now trying to influence politics.
We're in deep shit now.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:30 PM
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11. Some sneaky patriot added a few names to the GOP list, I guess
Or came up with this classic, believable excuse: Ooops, I MEANT to press the LIEBERMAN address, but I hit LAUTENBERG by "mistake!"

Silly me!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:33 PM
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12. Any "information" that comes from the whitehouse or Rumsfelds office.....
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 11:42 PM by niceypoo
.......is gold for the democrats.... We're dealing with morons here folks....
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:35 PM
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13. When you hear that the Repuke control everything, remember this moment.
They write propaganda and send it out without even caring about the money spent or where it comes from!
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:39 PM
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14. Exactly!
This administration has reached a level of complete and utter shamelessness. Oh, wait, they did that from day one ... but now, they're just incredibly obvious about the propaganda.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:52 PM
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15. !
I'm speechless... Maybe some one wanted the Dem's to receive this, accidentally of course.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:23 AM
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16. More illegal stuff?
Let me put on my surprise face....
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:07 AM
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17. uhhhhhhhh.........
"violated laws prohibiting the Executive Branch from using taxpayer dollars for lobbying and propaganda activities."

Does that same law prevent the WH from housing and paying the person who is in charge of Congressional elections? (Rove)

Does that same law prevent the WH from allowing its political director to sit in on briefings of Congress regarding national security briefings?

Something's wrong.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:26 AM
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18. Lobbying the public to vote for candidates vs. lobbying Congress
And it's possible the sentence was written sloppily. The point being, the Pentagon is assigned money to fight wars, not to lobby Congress.

And Rove ought to have his clearance stripped. But since he does have a clearance, as unjust as that may be, no, that same law wouldn't prevent a political director from sitting in, provided he has the clearance required.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 05:15 AM
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20. Actually, that would fall under the Hatch Act
the Act which Rove's entire job is a clear violation of.

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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 04:33 AM
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19. Initially, That was my thought. How could a branch of government
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 04:36 AM by ihelpu2see
produce a partisan piece of $hit like this? and why? It really proved that the republicans have no real arguments to a coordinated draw down. But I can't say I am really surprised, the hubris of this administration no longer shocks me. Hopefully the news media can make this clear to the American people.
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 07:51 AM
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24. I Love Lautenberg!
So proud to have him as my Senator--he's always there calling the Rethugs for what they are! Senator Menedez, I hope you are taking good notes!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 07:56 AM
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25. I'm glad it got the publicity..
I saw it mentioned on several network broadcasts. Sadly, I do not expect there to be any follow-up.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:47 AM
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26. Took a while for the outrage to sink in
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1435510

But I'm glad this is getting some intention.

To me, this is the most important issue of the day. When the Pentagon becomes an arm of the RNC, America is in deep, deep, uncharted territory.

You expect something like this in Russia.
You expect something like this in China.
But I never thought I would see it here.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:39 AM
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29. Thank god Congress is keeping their powder dry
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 10:56 AM by chill_wind
for far more vital strategic political purposes.

They wouldn't even smack his hand with a censure.
This is one big hi-jacked jumbo jet. The commandeering pilot, we are told, took flying lessons an eternity ago, but we have no clear records that he ever showed up for the landing lessons.

Surreal. This has been one big long creeping fascist surreal nightmare.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:54 AM
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27. more law breaking from the "Tax-Borrow-Waste" chickenhawk repukes
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 08:54 AM by wordpix2
"Cut and run" has replaced "bringing freedom to the Iraq people" and "9-11" as the main phrase of their campaign to remain in power at all costs.

Dems should repeat "tax, borrow and waste Republicans" as a talking point.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:48 AM
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28. freakin shocked here. shocked I tell you!
SHOCKED!!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:25 AM
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30. This proves to me that the Republican Congress must be clueless
about what is really going on. I mean really, they need talking points and rebutials to deter critics of the war? They should be able to come up with their own talking points in support of their opinions about the war effort.
It is also interesting that the Iraqi Embassey received it also.Why? I think someone should bring that question up also. It appears we may not be able to trust what comes from the Iraqi's either, since they may be using talking points provided by the administration.

This administration is absolutely discusting.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:00 PM
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32. I heard one Repub. Rep say that Yusef was an Iraqi intel agent
I don't remember who it was. This is a completely unfounded BS talking point from a Dr. (Harvard) Laure Myroie but yet it made its way onto the floor of the House.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Mylroie
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 11:56 AM
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31. The republicans are happy to piss away money as long as it's
for the pentagon.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 12:01 PM
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33. Just like Sen.Martinez and the Schiavo talking points
Whoops got caught AGAIN
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justice1 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 01:38 PM
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34. Hasterts statement on Iraq.
"The alternative is to cut and run, giving them the chance to regroup, and bring terror back to U.S. shores".

They are still trying to make it sound like Iraq was involved with terrorism in the U.S.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 02:39 PM
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35. This propaganda is certainly the work of Dr. Peter Feaver....
Edited on Fri Jun-16-06 02:41 PM by charles t
Dr. Feaver is the former Duke University political science professor,an expert on public opinion polls, appointed by Bush to the National Security Council because of his expertise in public tolerance for casualties .

He has guided Bush administration "framing" and propaganda, much in the manner of Frank Luntz.

But, whereas Luntz prepared his "talking points" (with his famous admonition “No speech about homeland security or Iraq should begin without a reference to 9/11 ...." while paid by the Republican National Committee, Feaver is paid by the American taxpayer.

And while Luntz's talking points were distributed through GOP channels, someone chose to have Pentagon/DOD distribute this, once again demonstrating the GOP's unlimited predelection for hiding behind the troops.

This is a New York Times article describing Feaver's hiring, and his influence upon Bush's rhetoric, first apparent in Bush's December "Plan for Victory" speech:


Although White House officials said many federal departments had contributed to the document, its relentless focus on the theme of victory strongly reflected a new voice in the administration: Peter D. Feaver, a Duke University political scientist who joined the N.S.C. staff as a special adviser in June and has closely studied public opinion on the war.

Despite the president's oft-stated aversion to polls, Dr. Feaver was recruited after he and Duke colleagues presented the administration with an analysis of polls about the Iraq war in 2003 and 2004.

They concluded that Americans would support a war with mounting casualties on one condition: that they believed it would ultimately succeed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/politics/04strategy.html?ex=1291352400&en=a533401f6641bd12&ei=5088



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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:04 PM
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36. Thank God for Frank Lautenberger; he has turned out to be a
real jewel. Go, Frank! Good job New Jersey!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:22 PM
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37. LAWS!?!? When did this bunch ever care about LAWS?
PRISON! Just tell me when someone in this so-called Government is going to PRISON!!!

LOCK 'EM UP!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 08:56 PM
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38. "The gang that couldn't shoot straight." K&R
Great one Rose Siding.

Republicans on the Hill were not happy that the document was sent to Democrats — or that it was produced at all. "I've never seen anything like it," said one Republican aide,


To me this indicates that Rove is out of the picture. Hmmm...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 09:52 PM
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39. "Catapaulting the Propaganda"
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:02 PM
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43. That's the truth of it. When did the idiot in chief say that? I can't
remember the context but didn't he say that?
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:39 PM
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46. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and ...
....over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda..."

George W. Bush
Greece Athena Middle and High School
Athena Performing Arts Center
Greece, New York
May 24,2005

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 05:25 PM
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47. Thank you so much for finding this quote for me. I knew he said
it, but I couldn't remember when or where.

He is such a moron! If the stupid things he says were not so tragic, they would be hilarious.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-17-06 05:55 PM
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48. I'd also like to thank you.
Great quote.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-16-06 10:01 PM
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42. ....So are we going to see it anytime soon?
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