Some Ohio Editors and Reporters Criticize 'Rolling Stone' Story on 2004 Al

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002651747

Did the press really miss the story in the 2004 presidential election of massive voter fraud and conspiracies to keep millions from casting ballots that a recent controversial piece in Rolling Stone has alleged? As the article's author, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., believes, did news outlets, both nationally and in the battleground state of Ohio, engage in a "media blackout" that ignored what he claims are "deeply troubling" aspects of the election that returned George W. Bush to the White House?

Bob Herbert added fuel to the fire on Monday in claiming in his New York Times column that, after the Rolling Stone report, "the integrity of the election process needs to be more fiercely defended in the face of outrageous Republican assaults. Democrats, the media, and ordinary voters need to fight back."

But for many in Ohio who covered the presidential race, which was not decided until the following morning after John Kerry gave up any attempt at challenging the Ohio results, the Rolling Stone allegations are unfounded.

"We looked at the Rolling Stone piece and we didn't see anything new in there," says Eva Parziale, Associated Press Ohio bureau chief, who held that post in 2004 when the election occurred. "They were things we already reported on and issues we did not see to have substance."

[robbedvoter]

1. Eva Parziale - her name translates as "Partial" Funny.

[Kutjara]

2. "We looked at the Rolling Stone piece and we didn't see anything...

...new in there."

Nope, not a thing. They looked at the article and just saw some words, organized into colums, with a couple pictures, and some bigger words at the top. Just like any other newspaper or magazine article. Nothing new there.

[pokercat999]

29. Yes and lots and lots of individual letters in those

words and paragraphs.....nothing new or news worthy though....nothing at all.

All old stuff, not even news when it wasn't old stuff....just dandy yep everything is just dandy.........as we move closer and closer to the tipping point.


It would be a good thing to divide America into two separate countries now before that tipping point gets reached.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. Just for comparison sake, let's look at the great State of...

WASHINGTON!

I seem to recall a very close race that ran there. Lasted for MONTHS before a winner was finally named. Vote count after vote count after vote count on that one. Yes, indeedy!

Now what was the difference? Oh, I remember. The Republican LOST!

[unpossibles]

5. it's almost like they couldn't

just get over it.

[keopeli]

10. Washington - we did it right.

First count was too close to call, with the Repub winning.

Second machine count was too close to call with Repub winning.

Repub screams STOP COUNTING THE VOTES!!! as any anti-American would

Final hand recount statewide, with DEMOCRAT winning.

Democrat wins Governor race.

Repub sues in a Repub county and Repub court. Suit is thrown out by the judge.

Yes, America, watch Washington. We know how a Democracy works.

[Doremus]

27. Here in Ohio, Democracy works this way:

Throw as many roadblocks as possible between voters and the voting booth. Obfuscate, dissimilate and stonewall right up to voting day.

When they demand a recount, send Diebold into every precinct to show workers how to fake it.

Voila! Democracy, Ohio style.

[Joe for Clark]

4. NO SUBSTANCE???

Is that a joke??

Joe

[Tempest]

6. Don't forget, this is AP talking

The same AP who have been running stories full of lies about Harry Reid.

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. Also the same AP that is a feed for newspapers

One story in AP equals the same story in thousands of papers throughout the country.

[EFerrari]

23. The same Authorized Propaganda that called us "dissidents"

when we raised questions about the election November 2004.

If I remember correctly, the managing editor is from the Omaha World Herald -- and OWH owns an interest in ES&S. (I hope I haven't garbled this. :silly: )

[quaoar]

8. This guy sees no problem:

Carl Weiser, government and public affairs editor for the Cincinnati Enquirer, agreed. "I read it and nothing in there was really new," he said. "The folks who know Ohio elections best checked into it and found there was no conspiracy."

[eviltwin2525]

15. That's because....

....the "folks who know Ohio elections" are the ones rigging them!

[AndyTiedye]

26. In Other News, No Chickens Have Disappeared from the Henhouse…

…reports Secretary of Henhouses, Brer Fox.

[Up2Late]

9. Hummmmmm, might be time to take a look at the writing's of Eva Parziale

My bet is that she is part of the problem at the AP.

[movonne]

11. Did I hear that this E @ P was sold off to the right wing, or something

like that???

[mod mom]

12. ALSO QUOTED IN ARTICLE:

"In the days since Rolling Stone magazine published a long piece that accused Republicans of widespread and intentional cheating that affected the outcome of the last presidential election, the silence in America's establishment media has been deafening," Ken Bunting, associate publisher of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and a former editor of the paper, wrote Friday. "In terms of bad news judgment, this could turn out to be the 2006 equivalent of the infamous 'Downing Street memo,' the London Times story that was initially greeted by the U.S. Media with a collective yawn."

"Bob Herbert added fuel to the fire on Monday in claiming in his New York Times column that, after the Rolling Stone report, "the integrity of the election process needs to be more fiercely defended in the face of outrageous Republican assaults. Democrats, the media, and ordinary voters need to fight back."
******

so it appears that it is easier for jouranlists outside of Ohio to address the subject.

[AlCzervik]

13. RFK Jr. will be on The Colbert Report tonight btw.

[Born Free]

24. Colbert will "Nail" him

Hope he's prepared, as Colbert can be tough, beating up on those liberals...

[me b zola]

14. It must suck to be exposed

The members of the media who have been complicit either with their lack of reporting or misleading (see lying, propaganda) cry big crocadile tears when the veil gets pulled back exposing them. Yeah, that's right AP, Cleveland Plain Dealer, and the lot of you-----you have been called out for not doing your frickin job!

E&P ends the article with some truth-telling food for thought for those unfamiliar with the fraud of '04:

"But Herbert wrote on Monday: "Kerry almost certainly would have won Ohio if all of his votes had been counted, and if all of the eligible voters who tried to vote for him had been allowed to cast their ballots....No one has been able to prove that the election in Ohio was hijacked. But whenever it is closely scrutinized, the range of problems and dirty tricks that come to light is shocking. What's not shocking, of course, is that every glitch and every foul-up in Ohio, every arbitrary new rule and regulation, somehow favored Bush."


Put that in your pipe and smoke it, AP. :smoke:

[William Seger]

16. "They were things we already reported on and ...

... issues we did not see to have substance." Well, DUH! Can you see the "substance" now? Or would that be too much like admitting you didn't do a very good job?

[w4rma]

17. Editor and Publisher was recently sold to some right wing group. (nt)

[xchrom]

18. two narrow elections -- real squeekers --

one going to the supreme court -- the other with cameras rolling showing massive voter screw-ups -- and eva finds nothing new.

both elections went to the same guy very directly accused of voter screw-up, fraud, mishandling, over-counting, undercounting, on and on -- and eva finds nothing new.

well don't that beat all.

[RCinBrooklyn]

19. "Yeah, we read it and found nothing," says conspirators and criminals..

[Merlot]

20. "anything new" that's because it's old news to us

Many saw this coming before the election. The fact that it isn't "new" only means it wasn't properly examined the first time.


BTW, check out Salon, they have a good rebuttle to Majoods article regarding the accuracy of Kenedy's article.

[grasswire]

21. email

[email protected]

[Rex]

22. The 'Press' allowed Foxnews to change the election results in 2000.

The 'Press' might just be the most traitorous bunch of anti-democratic moneyhounds, right after the PNAC crowd. Ignorance is bliss Eva; keep choking down PNAC dick for 2 more years, we all expect it from you and other mediawhores.

[MagickMuffin]

25. How Bush Rigged Ohio Election - The Noe Factor

At his last campaign rally in the state, a mere 4 days before the election, Bush bestowed special praise on a husband and wife team who in hindsight, were more helpful to Bush than any other politicians in Ohio, as far as rigging the election.

“I want to thank my friends Bernadette Noe and Tom Noe," Bush told the audience at the Toledo rally, "for their leadership in Lucas County.”

After the speech, Bush and his wife met with Tom Noe and his wife backstage, to thank them for their "work on the campaign," according to the October 30, 2004 Toledo Blade.

As it turns out, Bush had a lot to be thankful for. During the campaign, Noe earned the title of “Pioneer,” which means he raised at least $100,000 for the Bush-Cheney campaign.

While Tom handled the court business, Bernadette worked to reverse the Ohio tradition of allowing provisional ballots to be cast in precincts other than the one in which voters were registered and helped disenfranchise many inner-city Toledo Democratic voters.

The dirty tricks in Lucas Country started long before election day. For instance, the Democratic headquarters was broken into and key voter data was stolen.

On November 2, 2004, during the election, inner city voting machines broke down and polls opened late. The Toledo Blade reported that the sole machine at the Birmingham polling site in east Toledo broke down at about 7 am, and that per order of Secretary Blackwell, there were no paper ballots available for backup.

At one school the voting machines were locked in the principal‘s office, and the principal just happened to call in sick election day. Another school in west Toledo temporarily ran out of ballots.

In precinct after precinct, African-American voters were disenfranchised as the waiting lines grew to three, four and 5 hours and thousands were forced to leave without voting.

The Blade discovered that in the summer of 2004, 28,000 voters were "erased" from the Lucas County registration rolls and found the purge included voters like Barbara and Ralph George "who first registered to vote for John F. Kennedy in 1960 and had lived in the same East Toledo house for 44 years."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_evelyn_p_060608...

There is a lot more of the article, that is worth the time to read it. It also examines how Tom Noe stole money from the BWC funds to finanace Repubs campaigns, which he is now under indictment.

He even changed his not guilty plea to GUILTY, concerning his campaign contribution scheme. So, you can't try and wessle your way out of accepting the TRUTH about Noe's involvement in the Dirty Tricks in Ohio.....

[prolesunited]

30. I get an error message

Could you post the link as I was just speaking with someone about this and want to share the article.

[BushSpeak]

31. Here's a link that works

How Bush Rigged Ohio Election - The Noe Factor

[depakid]

28. "Ohio editors and reporters" have about as much credibility

as Fox "news."

Judge them by their actions and by what's happened to their state over the past 20 years- on their watch.

[ladym55]

32. Ohio Reporters criticize the Kennedy article??

Oh, I am shocked, just shocked. Here all this time I just thought they hadn't read the thing--what with big words, citations, and all. It's kind of advanced for the average Ohio journalism person. They aren't the brightest lights on the tree. :sarcasm:

[Tiggeroshii]

33. that's an important piece in my opinion.

It keeps the debate alive, yeah?