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boise1 Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:01 AM
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Al-Qaida-in-Iraq has new leader
(Cairo, Egypt-AP) June 12, 2006 - Al-Qaida in Iraq is naming a successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The group says its new leader is a militant it identifies as Abu Hamza al-Muhajer.

The authenticity of the statement has not been independently confirmed.

The name al-Muhajer in Arabic means "immigrant," suggesting he is not Iraqi by birth.

The statement signed by the group on an Islamic militant Web forum says al-Muhajer is "a beloved brother" with holy war experience and what it terms "a strong footing in knowledge."

Sunday, the organization vowed not to be deterred by al-Zarqawi's death in an airstrike last week and promised "major attacks."

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5018622

Abu-Too?...

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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:05 AM
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1. Probably just responded to our classified ad.
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:16 PM
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6. LOL
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:29 PM
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7. LOL!!! Remember this thread????
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:36 PM
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9. 6. If not hired by Al-Queda, would you accept employment
with

a. Evil Empire
b. Castro
c. Hugo Chavez
d. Ku Klux Klan

Seriesly, has anyone done an "Al-Queda Application" knock-off?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:53 PM
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13. One Al-Qeada Job Application, coming right up!
(Courtesy of Blah3.com)



:rofl:
rocknation
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:51 PM
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16. Heh. An oldie but a goodie...
I just re-posted that on B3 today, in honor of the new Al-q boss.

- as
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:07 AM
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2. I'm truly shocked!
Spin the cylinder, cock the hammer and play again, war guys.

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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:18 AM
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3. i think the author of this piece is ignorant
i'll bet there's a whole slew of al-Muhajers in iraq.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:39 AM
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4. Isn't al-muhajer also the word for one of those
that went with Muhammed from Mecca to Medina?

As in the British Islamist group al-Mujahiroun? (Constituting a sort of pun.)

This, of course, was expected by all concerned (and to believe otherwise is to put on blinders). But time will tell. Lots of groups with new leaders have lost importance: the new leader either wasn't acknowledged by all members of the group, his leadership was disputed by others who wanted the slot, or he simply didn't have the skills.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 11:44 AM
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5. Zarqawi wasn't the OLD leader
Edited on Mon Jun-12-06 11:44 AM by rocknation
Indeed, Al-Qaeda thought so much of him they disowned him, and they're probably the ones who ratted him out!

:headbang:
rocknation
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:45 PM
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11. It may have been an insurgent version of Apocalypse Now
Zarqawi's methods had become "unsound", so a Willard in the form of an informant to the U.S. military was dispatched. It even ended the same - warplanes and airstrikes.

Feel free to mentally substitute the relevant Heart of Darkness references.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 12:33 PM
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8. Damn. I thought Al-Q would either
a. scatter to the winds, defeated and demoralized,
b. turn themselves in and throw themselves on the mercy of *, or
c. start waving American flags, worshipping * for freeing them from Zarqawi

who would have thought they'd carry on?

:sarcasm:
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 01:30 PM
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10. Thoughts on the New Kid on the Block
So his name is Abu Hamza al Mujahir--another pseudonym, no doubt. I don't know a damned thing about Arabic but I think that translates roughly into "Father of Hamza, who ain't from here."

Just a guess, but "Father of Hamza" might refer to this ugly fellow, recently imprisoned in London after generally acting like an asshole and (supposedly) being found with a sort of terrorists' handbook.

"Mujaher" may mean "immigrant," but it sure looks similar to the root in "Mujahedeen," which means "strugglers." Perhaps a reference to our old buddies who fought our proxy war in Afghanistan against the Soviets? I don't know, but I'm sure Juan Cole will have a breakdown on it soon.

Couched in the announcement is also a threat before the fact, which suggests there will be a typical al Qaeda telegraphed punch very soon.

The name of course could be an empty robe for the moment, but since the international press is reporting as fact that the tip on Zarqawi's whereabouts came from al Qaeda itself, it makes sense that they already had a replacement in mind, and perhaps a little thank you note to go with it for us doing their wet work for them.

This is just one more reason why terrorism disgusts me to no end. In fighting it, one gets dragged into the ambiguity of the whole thing, and eventually the terrorists and those who fight them start to resemble one another more than they differ.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 02:29 PM
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12. I didn't know they had an old leader or any leader.
Who is "Al-Qaida in Iraq"?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:53 PM
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18. Some stupid group they concocted to blame shit on.
Is there an al-Qaeda in Sudan?

Al-Qaeda in Iran?

Al-Qaeda in Libya?

Al-Qaeda in Nigeria?

Al-Qaeda in Somalia?

Al-Qaeda in North Korea?

Since they tell us they're here and out to get us, I suppose there's also an Al-Qaea in US branch.:eyes:

Fucking stupid.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:02 PM
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14. LMBAO...
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 03:04 PM
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15. When Zarqawi was killed he was another #2 guy.
Damn if we just can't seem to find #1!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-12-06 04:47 PM
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17. Why the fuck do they even bother?
Oh ya, the sheep need feed.

The authenticity of the statement has not been independently confirmed.


13. Propaganda must be carefully timed.

a. The communication must reach the audience ahead of competing propaganda.

b. A propaganda campaign must begin at the optimum moment

c. A propaganda theme must be repeated, but not beyond some point of diminishing effectiveness

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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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19. Al Qaeda in Iraq names Zarqawi replacement (successor)
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 12:28 AM by paagal kutta
<<HERE'S THE NEW BOGEYMAN YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR>>

A previously unknown militant will succeed terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaeda in Iraq announced Monday.

In a web statement posted just days after Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. air raid, al Qaeda named Abu Hamza al-Muhajer as "successor in the leadership of the organization."

The statement, which could not be independently verified, said Muhajer was "a beloved brother with jihadi experience and a strong footing in knowledge."

MORE AT
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060609/abu_musab_060612/20060612?hub=CTVNewsAt11

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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20. Can someone explain why a criminal terrorist organization. . .
would issue a press release naming their new leader. They know who their leader is, and anyone associated with them would know who he is, but why would they feel the need to identify him for the authorities to target? Fear of the organization is sufficient -- everyone knows what they're capable of doing -- so why not leave leadership an amorphous entity, a Hydra-headed body that can't be targeted singularly. Seems that would be more effective, especially as this "leader" -- unlike, say, Tito or Ho -- isn't being established as someone people will turn to for political guidance.

Very odd, to say the least.
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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21. It may be foolish for terrists to publicly mark out a new leader
But the American people need a new name to fear
:tinfoilhat:
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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23. 'Tis true. . . but it turns the BushCo lie so much quicker. . .
Maybe this time more will notice. . .
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ThsMchneKilsFascists Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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24. odd I agree
Edited on Tue Jun-13-06 12:51 AM by ThsMchneKilsFascists
It's also odd that these 'terrorist' websites are allowed to remain up.
Surely there are experts in net attacks that could be pressed into service to take these types of sites down.
It's also odd that the corporate media feels the need to act as the terrorists' parrot/messenger by repeating and further distributing their messages.

*edit for syntax


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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 01:19 AM
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22. its....
Donald Rumsfeld!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:55 PM
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27. Couldn't the pentagon take a little more care in
coming up with bogus names for these scary terrorists. A poster the other day pointed out that "Abu" is a nickname that means "Dad." Thus "Abu Hamza" means "Hamza's Dad, the immigrant (al-Muhajer)" just as "Abu Musab" means "Musab's Dad from the Jordanian city of Zarqa (al-Zarqawi)."

Maybe we should start calling the chimp, "Jenna's Dad from Crawford" or is that "Abu Jenna al-Crawford"?
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No Passaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 03:33 AM
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25. my little theory of who it is
I knew I read that name somwhere

http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/119/p08a/t0108a.htm

this guy was the leader of mujahedins in bosnia during the war. he's not an iraqi and he has a lot of fighting experience.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-13-06 07:24 PM
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26. Yeah, but
did they use Diebold to tally the votes? Is there a paper trail? Otherwise, all of the votes to install the new leader might be as useless as our votes in 2000, and 2004. I don't believe ANYTHING that comes from this administration. They lie just for practice.
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