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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:28 PM
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Key US Lawmaker (Senator John Warner) Vows to Probe Iraqi Civilian Deaths
NYT/Reuters: Key US Lawmaker Vows to Probe Iraqi Civilian Deaths
By REUTERS
Published: May 28, 2006

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior Republican senator vowed on Sunday to hold hearings on U.S. Marines' role in the killings of up to two dozen Iraqi civilians last November as a leading Democratic war critic (Congressman John Murtha) alleged a military cover-up.

The U.S. military is investigating the November 19 incident in the town of Haditha, a case some American media are comparing to the 1968 My Lai massacre in Vietnam when U.S. soldiers slaughtered up to 500 villagers.

The military has said 15 civilians were killed in Haditha, about 140 miles northwest of Baghdad, while other accounts put the number at about 24.

Sen. John Warner told ABC news the Senate committee he heads would probe "what happened and when it happened and what was the immediate reaction of the senior officers in the Marine Corps when they began to gain knowledge of it.''

"I can assure the American public this morning, as chairman of the Armed Services Committee, I'll do exactly what we did with Abu Ghraib,'' where detainees were photographed enduring abuse at the hands of their U.S. guards. The Virginia Republican spoke on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos.''...

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/washington/politics-iraq...
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  - Sure you will , John  Hokie   May-28-06 06:33 PM   #1 
  - Um...remind me again...did the Senate ever "get to the bottom"  joemurphy   May-28-06 06:34 PM   #2 
  - Now that's totally unfair to Sen Warner  rpannier   May-28-06 06:45 PM   #4 
  - I'm a big fan of John Warner. He gave us the IWR  joemurphy   May-28-06 07:34 PM   #5 
     - I truly hope you sent that letter  Toots   May-29-06 09:58 AM   #7 
  - my thoughts exactly, joemurphy  UpInArms   May-28-06 07:57 PM   #6 
  - so, what has the commander in chief done about it...anything? nt  msongs   May-28-06 06:40 PM   #3 
  - Uh huh, yeah, right. A Republican that wants the truth. That calls  tsuki   May-29-06 10:25 AM   #8 
  - Warner wants to blame the Marines and not the policy makers  IndianaGreen   May-29-06 10:31 AM   #9 
 
Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:33 PM
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1. Sure you will , John
We can't wait for the Repukes to investigate the atrocities of the Bush administration again just like all the other hard hitting investigations Congress has launched.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:34 PM
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2. Um...remind me again...did the Senate ever "get to the bottom"
of Abu Ghraib? If I recall Warner's investigation of that fiasco didn't get to the bottom of anything. It whitewashed it and wrote it all off to a few bad apples in the lower ranks. We're still wondering what exactly Rummy and General Miller had to do with it all.

Good luck on getting to the bottom of Haditha. A blowhard like Warner's incapable of getting to the bottom of anything.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:45 PM
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4. Now that's totally unfair to Sen Warner
I hear he regularly gets to the bottom of sacks of potato chips and boxes of cookies.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:34 PM
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5. I'm a big fan of John Warner. He gave us the IWR
Edited on Sun May-28-06 07:40 PM by joemurphy
Office of Senator John Warner
U.S. Senate
225 Russell Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Re: Amending the Iraq War Resolution

Dear Senator Warner:

I’ve had my eye on your career ever since your marriage to Liz Taylor. I was deeply saddened when I read that it didn’t work out. She was a great woman. I especially liked her in “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.”

But even though your marriage to Liz turned out to be a flop, unlike a lot of people, I never blamed you. I’ve continued to remain a loyal fan of yours. I particularly liked watching you when you helped President Bush get that Iraq War Resolution passed. You remember, it was right before the 2002 Midterm Elections, just after the President came back from that month-long vacation at his ranch – when he kept saying there were no war plans on his desk. Ha ha! That was a good one! He probably had them “inside” his desk. Ha ha!

Anyhow, I know it wasn’t easy getting the Resolution through the Senate so quickly, with Byrd, Kennedy and Durbin yelling and screaming, telling you to slow it down, and generally giving you a hard time about it. As a long-time Republican voter, I was real proud of how you ignored them and shoved it through over their objections in record time.

I still enjoy watching you whenever you’re on C-Span. I especially like listening to your speeches. You don’t talk like some of the other Republicans. When you address people, you always say polite things, like: “As my esteemed and honored colleague, the junior Senator from the great state of (fill in a State here) well knows...”

My grandfather, Sandor Toth, used to talk that way too -- slow, old fashioned, formal and real polite. Of course it sounded different when he did it in Hungarian, but it also sounds nice when you do it in English. Actually, when you talk like that you remind me a lot of Burl Ives. He was in “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” too. He played the famous role of "Big Daddy". Remember how Big Daddy used to say: “I smell a strong odor of mendaaaaaaaaaaaacity!” (I really liked how Big Daddy would stretch out the "a" in mendacity). Did you borrow some of your speaking style from Big Daddy? Ha ha! I'll bet you did!

Anyhow, from watching you, I know that you are an orderly, meticulous, and careful sort of person that hates mistakes and always pays a lot of attention to detail. That’s what prompted me to write this letter.

Given all that's happened since you got that Iraq War Resolution passed, I thought you might want to take another look at some of those “WHEREAS” clauses you and the other Republicans put in it when you wrote it up. In hindsight, I think you’ll admit that a lot of them really need to be retroactively amended. The way they've been left, they now look kind of messy and not quite right. Luckily, most of them can be fixed with just a little bit of editing and tweaking. Here are a few examples of what I mean:

The following “WHEREAS” clause, for instance, should probably just be deleted entirely:

“WHEREAS, the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;”

Also, in view of the fact that it turned out Iraq destroyed all its weapons of mass destruction back in 1991, you might want to do some cutting and pasting with this one:

“WHEREAS Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;”

You might also want to review and revise this next one just a smidgeon:

“WHEREAS in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations';”

This one too can probably be totally eliminated:

“WHEREAS, Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations...”

This next one probably also should just be excised, since it was never really proved:

“WHEREAS, the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush…”

Now this next one is almost OK. You just need to add the phrase “in a Kurdish area outside the control of the Iraqi government” at the very end to make it all totally right:

“WHEREAS, members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq";

This next one , however, is probably another good candidate for total scissoring:

"WHEREAS, Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens";

And, of course, there’s this one:

"WHEREAS, Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself";

Well, I could go on, but you being the smart guy I know you are, I’m sure you probably have already gotten my drift. With your concern with America’s place in history, and just on principles of general orderliness, I'll bet you’ll want to get these and a lot of other “WHEREASES” I haven’t mentioned in that War Resolution amended pronto!

Well, that’s it from here. Don't bother thanking me for pointing all this out. I know you'd do the same for me if the shoe were on the other foot.

Keep on doing the President’s work up there in the Senate! We’re all rooting for you!

Your loyal fan,

Lazlo Toth
Voting for Republicans (both unindicted and indicted) since 1952!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 09:58 AM
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7. I truly hope you sent that letter
I think a few Democrats that went along with IWR should read it as well. :thumbsup:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:57 PM
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6. my thoughts exactly, joemurphy
Can anyone really tell me what happened with the Abu Ghraib investigation?

Oh, yeah - those "few" bad apples paid a price - but what happened with the systemic dysfunction throughout the system - starting with Rumsfailed?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 06:40 PM
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3. so, what has the commander in chief done about it...anything? nt
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 10:25 AM
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8. Uh huh, yeah, right. A Republican that wants the truth. That calls
for Diogenes, and he'll still wander.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-29-06 10:31 AM
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9. Warner wants to blame the Marines and not the policy makers
He will stonewall his "investigation" so that the public doesn't find out that this is but one many such incidents, and that there is a connection between troops serving more than one combat tour in Iraq and those incidents.
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