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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:04 AM
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Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged
The Sunday Times April 23, 2006

Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged
Sarah Baxter, Washington

REPUBLICANS are urging President George W Bush to dump Dick Cheney as vice-president and replace him with Condoleezza Rice if he is serious about presenting a new face to the jaded American public.

They believe that only the sacrifice of one or more of the big beasts of the jungle, such as Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, will convince voters that Bush understands the need for a fresh start.

The jittery Republicans claim Bushs mini-White House reshuffle last week will do nothing to forestall the threat of losing control of Congress in the November mid-term elections.

Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard magazine and author of Rebel in Chief, a sympathetic new biography of Bush, said: There are going to have to be sweeping personnel changes if people are going to take a second look at the Bush presidency.
(snip/...)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2148000,00...

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:05 AM
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1. And then indict all of them.
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 03:07 AM by Hissyspit
These people don't have a fookin' clue what is REALLY wrong.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:07 AM
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2. I'll be gobsmacked if that happens, or at the least very
very surprised. My gut? No way.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:55 AM
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9. Fred Barns is an idiot to say the least. I doubt that it would
ever happen anyway.
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:13 AM
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3. If Cheney volunteers, it could happen
and it would reverse his ratings slump until her connection to the crimes of the first term are repeated endlessly during the process. Even then, those desperately hoping all is not lost for his presidency might just revert to the old standard of blaming the liberal media - and maybe even racism -for picking on her. Isn't she sort of...revered?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:20 AM
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4. Are the morons running our country
acting on the premise that everyone will just do as we ask? It seems to be the only way they conduct any kind of foreign relations. the bully is about to get its ass handed to it methinks.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:27 AM
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5. Revere ?
Maybe all is not what it seams.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:37 AM
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8. Do they not get Condi is as dirty as Cheney?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:56 AM
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10. Careful
Dirty girl she maybe but it's a bit iffy saying so. Maybe her and **** just want some quality time together - unnoticed . Nod, nod, nudge is as good as a wink...... Say no more.....
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:38 AM
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17. And not even half as clever!
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:09 AM
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18. Nor as pretty.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 12:25 PM
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26. I suspect if Bush were to replace Dick with Condi he would end up
alienaing more of his base and ending up with giving America the first black, female unelected president. Who knows, amybe that's the only way to get the first female into office in this country.

It would be funny as I doubt she'd have any chance at being reelected but would tie up the Republican Nom.
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:56 AM
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6. But he CAN'T Blanche, he CAN'T....
Cheney and Rummy are running the show and neither Bush nor Condi have a clue.
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ast_liberal2008 Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:32 AM
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7. some people are saying cheney would remain as a senior 'counselor' eom
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:59 AM
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11. IMHO, Condi would never be the pick if Dickie stepped down
Bush and some other Repugs have their pick for 2008 already and IMHO it isn't Condi or McCain.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 05:04 AM
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12. Do tell. n/t
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 05:18 AM
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13. The one thing I like about this report is that it may mean that the
scuttlebutt in Bush crime circles is that Cheney is history, which may mean that he is going to be indicted in Treasongate.

As for Condi Rice, that would be cute--a black woman Bushite for president--but it won't fly, except with people like Andy Young (who said, in the Senate hallway, during Rice's nomination hearing, that the Democrats shouldn't criticize Rice because she is a black woman, thus shitting upon the only one of the two political parties that gave a crap about HIM in 1965!). Most black voters are very poor and don''t get to walk the halls of Congress. I don't think they'll buy it. Nor will anybody else.

Anyway, Condi's Bushite dirty. She's got 9/11 baggage, Iraq war baggage, and Treasongate baggage. She can't win in an honest election. Ahem.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:45 AM
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23. If Cheney and Rove are indicted, an "insider" is totally out.
If Cheney and Rove are indicted, Cheney's replacement will not be up to Bu$h. It will be dictated by the GOP factions that are very tired of Bu$hco. That will probably be the case, too, if Rove is indicted and Cheney steps down on his own volition. These bastards have drawn way light from their "pot" of political capital. They are playing a political hand of aces-over-eights, now.


Wild Bill Hickok's last draw?
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 12:55 PM
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28. Aces and Eights? I believe in the cardroom that hand is known by
another name. Quite clever DemoTex.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:19 PM
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29. Sharp!
But that's why I was careful to say "They are playing a political hand of aces-over-eights, now." I intended that any allusion to that hand's fate be figurative only, with respect to the players' political careers. Know what I mean?

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:45 PM
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32. I gotya. The funny(sad) thing is these assholes have gone "all in"
and have no idea everyone knows their tell.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 10:37 PM
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37. Yep! They raked the pot "light."
Now they are blinkin' and shakin' (like an old dog shittin' peach pits) as the new cards are dealt. Read 'em and weap, assholes!

Your deal, fob.


My Sweet Sirius had a better poker face than Bu$h!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:01 AM
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14. Condi's ratings are rather high people just do not know her true colors.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:26 AM
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15. Look, I am the decider
I am the decider. I mean, I make the decisions, and my decision is to keep Cheney. After all, he is the one who came up with the 9/11 idea that made me king. Don Rumsfeld, well, he's doin a heckuva job over there in Iran......uh, I mean Iraq. It's hard work! These guys have to work overtime sometimes. Jeez! And hey, if you think Cheney is a bad shot, you should see Condi shoot a shotgun!

/sarcasm
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 06:41 AM
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16. ACK! - Condi for VP? - I think that's scarier than Cheney
.
.
.

Then someone offs Junior, and she would be the President?

Scary

Very, very, scary

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:10 AM
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19. God help us. nt
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:21 AM
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20. I'd love to have Condi for VP, but only if
the Soviet Union re-unites and the Cold War is on again. That is what she's good at, right? (snicker)
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:30 AM
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21. Take a good dump on both of them while you're at it.
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 08:31 AM by Lastlaughin08
They've certainly dumped on America, haven't they?
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:41 AM
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22. "Rebel in Chief???"
Edited on Sun Apr-23-06 08:43 AM by exlrrp
Fred Barnes thinks Bush is a rebel? Only against the established laws of the United States.
As for dumping Cheney for Rice: Not Going To Happen!!! Just more MSM bullshit speculation, to hide the real stories.
As for Cheney resigning voluntarily--you'll see Cheney hunting in pink lingerie before that happens
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 08:55 AM
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24. It Doesn't Scare Me As Much As It Used To
A little of the bloom has been removed off the Condi rose in the last month or two -- especially with the Cultists who are ticked off at her admission that lotsa mistakes have been made in Dear Leader's war.

Let it happen. Another nail in the coffin. And the Cultists will NEVER support her for President.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 10:31 AM
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25. We have got to get serious about getting Condi's crimes out in the public
eye. She has lied under oath. She lied about knowing about terrorists flying planes into buildings when Dick was conducting a drill of the same type on 9-11, which she certainly would have known about in her role. She has MANY crimes to be exposed.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 07:47 PM
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36. I agree
Wasn't her job before 9-11 happened to pull all intelligence together and connect the dots to stop the event? Wasn't it her job to plan for all possibilities?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 12:27 PM
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27. but then who will do all the heavy thinking for Bush? nt
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:36 PM
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30. A new face?
You have got to be kidding? She's in this mess as much as anyone else. They are only angling to make her the next president. And if she becomes vice-president, that gives her a title which makes it all the more possible. Then she can continue on with the reigns of terror.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 01:44 PM
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31. Well, we all know that he'll be the decider!
LOL.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 02:14 PM
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33. Proves their arrogance
The fact that this is even being talked about by Repugs shows the absolute arrogance of the Bushies and their contempt for the Constitution and the American people. Cheney was ELECTED, not appointed. If he was too ill to serve, that would be one thing. But they are talking about replacing Cheney with Condi for political reasons and I've even read he could become Sect. of Defense.

Why have elections at all if afterwards the Decider can just shift people around to wherever he decides he wants them?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 02:48 PM
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34. Cheney will never step aside.
He is the power, he is the evil master mind.

Unless...


Unless, Condalicedus is holding something over all the evil empire to force them to do something such.

I think she must hold something over them to be where she is at now. For the repukes to place a woman not to mention a black woman in the position she currently holds is simply not very republican value oriented. Something is amiss there.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:51 AM
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39. Nor do I want Darth to step aside
I love him there in a prominent public role. He is the true face of the neocon death cult, and we will get mileage out of his evil for many years to come.

Having said that, if Condi's the Veep, Bush will get a ratings bounce that would help his party in the mid-terms. It'd actually take some courage for him to bring her on if only due to the history and ongoing racial bigotry of so many Republican voters.

That's why it'll probably never happen.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 03:01 PM
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35. Sure these homophobic, misogynistic, racists
are going to place a black woman a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United Fucking States. One who with very little exposure would be revealed to be as dirty as snarlin dick, I don't believe so.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-24-06 08:42 AM
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38. But wait...
can a husband and wife team be president and vice president?
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