Minutemen threaten to build fence

[deminks]

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4792406&nav=HMO6

PHOENIX The Minutemen are telling the government to deal with immigration, or they will.

The border watch group is proposing a new fence along the U-S-Mexico border.

Minutemen leader Chris Simcox says they're sending President Bush an ultimatum -- either deploy the National Guard and military reserves to the border by May 25th or beginning Memorial Day weekend, they'll break ground and begin building a border security fence.

Simcox says six Arizona land owners, as well as land owners in California, New Mexico and Texas, have promised to allow the fence to be built on their land.

[Roon]

1. And how are they going to fund this project? eom

[MichaelHarris]

2. ummm

cheap foreign labor?

[meow2u3]

11. They'll hire the illegal aliens they want out

pay them next to nothing, and, when the job is done, they'll kick them out on their asses

I wouldn't put it past them to kill the "illegals."

[henslee]

132. A funny t hought... the part about hiring illegals to build the fence.

[Blue_Tires]

45. well played, ma'am....well played!

lol

[TheFarseer]

14. private donations from crazy f*ckers

Look for Home Depot to be sold out of particle board.

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Or sold out of revolving doors

[proud2BlibKansan]

78. LOL

That gives me a great mental picture.

[sendero]

94. These guys are droolers..

.... but nobody is stupid enough to build a fence from particle board

[TheFarseer]

115. Right, well, I thought it was funnier than saying fencing material

It was a comedic decision

[sendero]

118. Sorry....

... I'm a little too literal at times. Let's agree on "building materials", generic enough to be correct and not ruin the punchline!

[DIKB]

3. Idiots.

In ONE WEEK a worker can make what it takes a Month in their country to make. By being very thrifty, they can save up a small fortune, and then turn themselves in for a free ride home.

Think of what you would do for your family. Would you bend/break the law to provide food and care? To buy a house, to provide for the future, would you be separated from your family, knowing you were giving them a better life?

Bottom Line: Would you let a fence stop you?

[handsignals4theblind]

4. The USA farm products create desperate economic migrants

Considering, the territory was stolen (Mexican US war-1840's) and the demographics 160 years later has changed in states that border the USA. What is the problem? These are people who have established themselves in the USA and speak English. They are full citizens of the USA.
Alot of the illegal migrants would stay if they could just grow corn in Mexico. If the USA would stop using tax dollars to subsidise their farmers corn production then it is likely that THE US farmers would not have the ability to dump their cheap corn on Mexico. This created economic migrants who come to USA in search of lousy paying jobs that support their families

[Phx_Dem]

123. The problem is wages in Mexico

the minimum wage there is $6.07 per DAY. You know that US ag subsidies give the US the ability to provide millions of pounds of grain products to the third world. I think that is a little more important than low margins for Mexican farmers.

[Buck Laser]

5. Fuck 'em!

[democracyindanger]

6. Let 'em

Every dumbass' dollar that goes into building a fence on private land is one less that goes into Republican coffers or towards mail-order brides.

And I'd love to see them try and raise the tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars it would take to construct the security wall of their dreams. All that concrete, rebar and razor wire between North and South Korea wasn't built with greenstamps.

[windy252]

7. Is this to keep other people out

or keep us in? I'm only half-joking.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

8. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...

I think most people are forgetting that word. ILLEGAL. I'm not against immigration. I'm against doing it illegally. That's what the point the minutemen are trying to get across.
Duckie

[NorthernSpy]

13. thank you for pointing that out

[superconnected]

16. Thank goodness it's fences they're taking it upon themselves to build

and not gays they want to take it on themselves to kick out of the country.

But I have a feeling this is a step in that direction. Undesirables are undesirables to them.

So what happens if an immigrant crosses these fences. Does he/she get shot?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

17. I'm not saying I agree with the fence idea...

I was just saying that it's not immigration they hate. It's illegal immigration.
Duckie

[superconnected]

18. are you sure. Thats not what I hear from republicans around me

in Seattle.

Perhaps it illegal immigrants you hate.

But these people usually have more people on the agenda than just illegals. I'm only going by right wing agendas...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

33. I have some merchandise you might be interested in

[EFerrari]

66. What sizes does that come in?

[proud2BlibKansan]

80. And I thought it was Mexicans.

[LostinVA]

100. I'm thinking for most of them, it's non-white immigration they hate

They don't seem like the most progressive bunch of fellows...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. I'm glad the Minutemen are so concerned about the law.

That means they've acquired the necessary building permits and requisitioned the proper environmental impact studies before building their giant nazi fucking fence through the middle of the desert.

[superconnected]

25. welcome to du BornagainHooligan

[beam me up scottie]

30. !

Nice!

Welcome to DU!

[proud2BlibKansan]

81. And they all have gun permits too I bet.

[Phx_Dem]

124. don't need one in AZ

this is the wild west you know....

[SoCalDem]

85. 50 ft fence?...55 ft ladders..

[LostinVA]

101. Hahahahahahaha!!!

[leesa]

59. Duckie...a fence ain't gonna help and it will cost a fortune to build and

maintain and staff. Their point is idiotic.

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. So you agree with the Minutemen?

Interesting.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

147. I don't think I said that...

[Bridget Burke]

97. You need to find better spokesmen for Your Cause than the Minutemen

Their leaders have too many links to racist groups.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

148. My cause?

I didn't say it was my cause. And I don't agree with their tactics. I was just saying from what I understood, they didn't like illegals.
Let me make something clear. My beef is with ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS period. I don't care if a person is brown, white, orange, or yellow, if they aren't entering this country legally, I don't think they need to be here. If they are using LEGAL means to enter, then I'm all for them being here. THERE'S my actual feelings on the matter.
Duckie

[manic expression]

143. Legality

has nothing to do with decency. It is nearly impossible for Latinos to get into the US legally, and since they almost have to, they do it illegally. If we provided practical legal avenues, they would be used.

Rosa Parks did something illegal, too. So did Eugene V. Debs. If "legal" automatically means "correct" to you, you are very much mistaken.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

149. Wow. Can you say APPLES AND ORANGES?

You are jumping to a lot of conclusions here, bud.
Duckie

[manic expression]

151. Strange fruit, indeed

The point is that illegal does not mean wrong. These people only want a decent life, and they have no legal means of achieving that. The only option left to them is to pursue this very reasonable goal, even if it is (wrongly) deemed illegal. It's called justice, and that is what I argue for.

[xultar]

9. They are dumb enough to end up on the wrong side of what they build.

[democracyindanger]

10. .

[WePurrsevere]

20. Ahh... well at least there's a bright side to this eh? :-D n/t

[ClintonTyree]

12. WHAT National Guard.....WHAT Military Reserves?

They're all in Iraq or queuing up for Iran. These guys are clueless. The expect Bush to listen to them. The only time Bush acknowledges their presence on the planet is when he's running for office and needs money.

[salin]

19. Talk about porous...

so they have some land owners that say - sure. But not all land owners on the border (doesn't sound continuous), and if all through private donations money will come in and thus 'fence' parts go up - sporadically. Sounds like patchwork to me - pointless and thus a waste of donor money. A fool and his money... and all that.

[Phrogman]

21. National crackdown on illegals begins in Houston

HOUSTON -- A Houston company was raided Wednesday as part of a nationwide crackdown on illegal immigrants, KPRC Local 2 reported.

Federal agents descended on two locations of IFCO Systems -- 6829 Flintrock Road near West Little York in northwest Harris County and 4900 North McCarty Road in northeast Houston.

The sweeps began shortly before 9 a.m. Homeland Security buses left the facilities hours later with dozens of suspected undocumented workers on board. The exact number was not released.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/8826281/detail.html

[superconnected]

24. dozens of "suspected" undocumented workers.

What, did they just arrest every one spanish, and decide they'll check later.

[Critters2]

119. What's with this?

All of a sudden the feds actaully care about illegal immigration? Where did this concern come from? In Iowa, every factory farm and slaughterhouse is dependent on illegal immigrants, everyone knows it, and the feds have never done a thing about enforcement. Now they're enforcing the law?

[stepnw1f]

22. lol

idiots

[dweller]

26. 20 years from now

there will be a slipshod stretch of brick, mud, stick and dauble standing alone on a desert border for about 30 crumbling feet... an effigy to effort put forth.
Inevitably there will be a memorial there to the one worker's life that was lost as a section crumbled down upon him, his workmates will have buried him on the spot, and packed up and went home.

Mission accomplished.

dp

[stepnw1f]

28. Rather Symbolic

All these people are doing is playing the big man's game. Their anger should be focased on the real problem, but instead they fight a distraction dooming themselves in the end.

[dweller]

32. i say let's build a fence

around the WH to keep illegal pResidents from ever entering.

while we're at it, put one around the Congress to keep them IN until they raise wages for the working class equivalent to THEIR raised wages over the last 8 years.

you in?

dp

[stepnw1f]

35. Heck... We Can Build A Wall Around It

to keep Bush inside. We'll just convert the White House into a Prison.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

57. They always said you were the smart one.

[TheCowsCameHome]

27. One man shoveling and 20 chugging beer. Completion date - 2106

This ought to be fun to watch.

[flashdebadge]

55. Your scenario would also hold true if the county govt were putting it up

[TheCowsCameHome]

93. But we wouldn't be paying the MinuteMen................

[HuffleClaw]

29. suuuuuure

'an ultimatum' to bush? haahahahhhahahaha

and they are gonna build a fence? out of what? what a crock.

[Phrogman]

31. I bet that Halliburton could build one hell of a fence

[Blue_Tires]

46. welcome to the site!

[Phrogman]

48. Thank you very much.

[sofa king]

84. ...using migrant laborers, no doubt.

Welcome to DU!

[superconnected]

34. lets say they get the money to build the fence,

wonder which of them will steal it.

maybe the one with the building firm - diverting it into their pockets.

Sorry I just don't trust republicans with money and a project to accomplish.

[realisticphish]

36. Have we learned NOTHING

from the Maginot line? French build a huge ass, fucking expensive, very advanced wall between their border and Germany. Uses up most of their military budget. And what do the Germans do?

They GO AROUND IT. Because the French DIDN'T wall up the border between France and Belgium. If you can't put one all the way across, what's the fucking point

[beam me up scottie]

37. I don't think

the Minute Men can read.

And I'd bet their wives and girlfriends could explain the REAL reason why they're called "minute" men.

[realisticphish]

38. yeah right

like they could last that long

[beam me up scottie]

39. ROFL!!!

[GoldenOldie]

42. Who will pay the fines when they start digging up antiquities.

One of the only thing developers worry about that during their initial bulldozing and digging that they come upon old buried indian, Spanish, early settlers, settlements and artifacts. By law they must immediately stop and notify the authorities. It can take months/years before anthropoligists can study/research the area. Fines are extremely high and cost of delays can be extremely prohibitive.....are these vacation warriors even knowledgeable about these laws and are they capable of paying fines???

This should be a big source of amusement for border residents.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Excellent point!

I've seen that happen in other states, not just border ones.

I'd be out there planting bones and pieces of ancient pottery!

[XemaSab]

89. I don't think you need to PLANT anything

That whole stretch of Arizona has Native American history up the wazoo.

[XemaSab]

88. I'm sure the Tohono O'odham WELCOME

a bunch of crazy ass gringos building a fence on their land.

I'm sure the managers of Organ Pipe National Monument and Buenes Aires National Wildlife Refuge are cool with the idea too.

Jackasses.

[Bridget Burke]

105. I think a fence through Big Bend National Park would be problematic....

Some river rats I know have described the guys who work for the landowners on the Other Side of The Border. They smile & wave at the rafters. But their demeanor (& their weapons) indicate that bad behavior would be a very bad idea.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

109. yeah they care about antiquities

the camaro on blocks in their front yard, for instance.

oh!

I'm hear all week folks.

[northzax]

50. well, you round up.

enron accounting, you see.

[realisticphish]

52. ah, good point

it takes a SHITLOAD of skill to round to "1" from "0", so they would NEED those Enron accountants...

[mvd]

40. Retreating into their own little world

Very sad if you ask me. And what about ladders?

[beam me up scottie]

41. And tunnels.

Oops!

They already have those.

[realisticphish]

43. not to mention

unless they patrol the fence all the time...

anyone with a pair of good wirecutters could get through, no problem

[flashdebadge]

47. I for one am for the fence. We have to do something to control our

borders and the federal and state governments are seemingly unwilling to do anything for political reasons. They're worried about losing votes; I'm worried about losing lives, American lives, possibly yours. They all do a lot of talking but the problem persists. I'm happy to allow those who come legally with good intension's and a desire to assimilate but only after a background check. We all know that everyone who crosses our borders (be it north or south) does not have noble intension's when they get here. I for one want to see border security dramatically enhanced and at this point in the process, if someone wants to start a fence, I'm all for it. Hell, I may send them a few dollars to help out. For me, this isn't a political issue, it's a survival issue. There are people in this world who want to cross that border for one reason and one reason only, to detonate the big one. Frankly, that scares the hell out of me. Too many people continue to hold blinders over their eyes. Remember folks, 911 happened before Iraq not after. I'm afraid it will happen again. Only next time on a scale we couldn't believe.

My 2 cents.

[beam me up scottie]

49. .

[northzax]

53. how about, instead

you send money to help support the scanning of incoming shipping containers. Even if some 'terrorists' cross the Rio Grande, are they going to carry a bomb with them?

I seem to recall that the East Germans built a really big fence across Berlin, mined it, and had armed guards on top of it. with orders to shoot on site. And that didn't stop people who really, really wanted to getting from West Berlin to East Berlin and back. You can stop the people who aren't a threat with a fence and troops, not the trained people who are really intent on causing trouble.

[flashdebadge]

54. I totally agree on the shipping containers also. But we can't ignore the

border problem. I also agree that there will still be some that get through but nothing even close to the number coming across with no barrier.

[northzax]

56. buit the ones that get through

are the ones we need to worry about. So all we do it stop the temporary migration of humans from wretched poverty to slightly less wretched poverty. no fence has ever successfully stopped that.

And I'd like to point you to two other examples of societies that were great, and built walls. China and the Roman Empire. The walls were the beginning of the decline. oops.

[Solon]

67. I doubt it would even do that much...

Thinking practically, this is THOUSANDS of miles of fence we are talking about, we cannot man it, nor even afford to maintain such a structure. You have harsh deserts to build through, uneven terrain, and in addition to that, rivers and streams, but not forests at least. Its an impossible task, and can be defeated with a wire cutter that costs 15 bucks, the people who advocate for this albatross are simply stupid.

[XemaSab]

91. It's 2000 miles

1000 miles of the Rio Grande winding through wildest west and south Texas, and 1000 miles of thorny desert, shifting sand dunes, rugged mountains, and wide rivers bordering New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

[Solon]

138. The thing is that this guy is forgetting about Canada...

He's worried about terrorists coming into the country illegally to set off the "big one", if he is talking about a nuclear bomb, they are probably driving across the border. They could just as easily get in through Canada as through Mexico, so build a fence for both borders, and lets not forget the coasts, fence them up too, Fortess Amerika! Uber Alles!

[XemaSab]

140. I think the first priority is fencing off the Alaskan coastline

We've already been attacked on our own soil there, so why just leave it wide open for another attack?

[Solon]

141. Oh yeah, that'll hold back the commies!!!!

Channelling McCarthy/Reagan there.

[XemaSab]

142. I'm worried more about the Japs.

They invaded Alaska once, and they can do it again.

[Solon]

145. Yeah, but what to do with Hawaii, that't the question...

I say a 6 foot thick steel reinforced concrete wall that surrounds ALL the Islands, extending from the Sea Floor to 20 above it, that'll keep back all our enemies!

[flashdebadge]

96. It's not an "impossible task". There are enough people with deep pockets

to fund the project. There are also companies who will donate time and money. Don't be so quick to presume it can't be done.

[Bridget Burke]

106. There are plenty of landowners who will NOT allow it.

I'm talking about the ones who really know The Border--not the owners of Retirement Ranchettes.

[northzax]

112. oh sure, everyone ponies up to build it

but what about manning it? maintaining it? repairing it?

and even building it, at ten foot high concrete fence will cost about $60/linear foot. that's hmm, let's see, we'll get a discount on the concrete, but the transportation costs will outweigh that. so $60/foot, including labor and transportation doesn't seem unreasonable. (if you think companies will donate concrete and cement, you should know there is a shortage right now, construction companies can't get all the cement they want as it is, let alone a surplus)

so, one mile is 5280 feet. 2000 miles is 10,560,000 feet. times $60/foot: $633,600,000. Just for construction. so I guess concrete is out.

so let's take the Border Fence Project. they claim they can build a fence for only $2.50/linear foot. I think they're on crack, but still, that's $23 million, plus much more maintenance (since their fence is barbed wire with electronics) feel free to contribute there, if you really want to.

[flashdebadge]

98. "a wire cutter" ? What makes you think it would be a chain link fence?

They may have something else in mind. Possibly a solid metal corrugated wall.

[Solon]

137. Substitute the Wire Cutter with Dynamite, torches, whatever....

is appropriate, because I can guarantee two things about this wall/fence, the first, its going to have miles stretched at a time that are NOT going to be manned, and also, the fence will cost BILLIONS, to build and maintain, and will be DEFEATED by most methods that cost less than 100 dollars. In other words, the wall/fence is a FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!!!

[northzax]

111. of course

my point was that the Stasi couldn't completely protect a ten mile concrete fence, with spotlights, mines, dogs and armed guards at regular intervals. And we think we can do 3000 miles? it's a joke.

But if private individuals want to build a fence on their property, that's their problem, as long as they comply with all relevant envrionmental, construction and antiquities laws.

[Solon]

61. So you prefer throwing money at a problem, basically...

I mean, come on, you know this fence is impractable at best, don't you? Hadrian's Wall was much shorter, designed to stop Briton and Pictish raids into Roman territory, and it didn't work, same for the Great Wall of China, didn't stop the Mongolian Empire from forming, and didn't even slow down Ghengis and Kublai Khan conquering and ruling China, now did it? Its stupidity run amok, period.

[proud2BlibKansan]

82. The 9/11 terrorists weren't Hispanics

and they arrived by plane and boat, they didn't cross the Mexican border.

[flashdebadge]

95. It's naive to think the border can't / hasn't been exploited by terrorist

[proud2BlibKansan]

102. No it's not

because it has not been.

[flashdebadge]

127. No one knows the answer to that question but to claim that it hasn't

hasn't happened and present no evidence to support that statement is obtuse. A number of South American countries have reported an influx of middle easterners into their countries. I suppose none of them have plans on heading north huh? If any of them did I suppose you would claim they were just daisy picking in the dessert and would have turned back once they got to our border.

[proud2BlibKansan]

129. Any links???

It sure is easy to make claims about terrorists crossing the border. This is the first I have heard of an influx of middle easterners in SA. Sounds kinda like what the prez is doing to scare all of us. Sure is odd to see that logic used here on DU.

BTW, how do you pick daisies in a dessert? Would they be stuck in the cake frosting? Can you bake them right into the pie crust? LOL

[flashdebadge]

153. You're being ridiculous now. Conversation over!

[Bridget Burke]

99. "9/11 changed everything"....

Your President surely finds that an all-purpose excuse.

What about this "desire to assimilate"? Sounds a bit too Borg-ish for me.

The Minutemen will NOT be able to build the fence. Most landowners along The Border will NOT allow it--the landowners who are not snowbirds with Retirement Ranchettes, that is. These guys don't need anyone to tote guns for them, either--they have their own guns.

Of course, the REAL reason the Minutemen will fail is that they will fall over from heatstroke after the first hour. It gets pretty hot down along The Border.

[flashdebadge]

130. Listen Bridget Burke...

He's not my president. Second, assimilation is very important. I was appalled that the protest rallys that included taking down the American flag and raising the Mexican flag. The message that sends to me is that those in the protest who committed that act believe that the Mexican laws and governments should be the law and not the laws that you and I value. It's also an act that says "this is our land"; which some of the marchers were actually shouting. Some held signs speaking of conquest. Are you hearing me Burke? Border control and assimilation are very important. I also believe that most of the land owners WILL allow it. I have yet to see one land owner come forward and say "I feel safe in my home while people without background checks pass through my yard at 2am in the middle of the night. I don't care if some have committed violent crimes like rape or murder back home or if they are drug lords looking to conquer new territory. They can use my yard to make their unlawful entry. Oh, and never mind the trash they leave on the beautiful landscape that makes up my yard." Think about it BURKE! Look I welcome those who come legally. I value the rich friendship and fellowship I have developed with immigrants. I even appreciate some aspects of their culture. But by God we have to know who is coming and going. Just my 2 cents. I appreciate your views and in no way am I trying to demean your view points. I just think you should rethink this.

[Bridget Burke]

134. Hey debadge--I've been re-thinking this all 50+ years....

That I've lived in Texas. I saw ONE instance of the US flag being taken down--I believe it originated on the Malkin harridan's website. Carrying a Mexican flag means pride in one's roots--not a desire for the US government to ape the Mexican government. You read the message wrong. (I get my eyes examined once a year.)

Border control is worth considering. However, many landowners will NOT allow The Fence. (How many of them do you know?) Most of them do NOT have "beautiful landscape" yards--things are pretty bare down there, once you get past the Valley.

Assimilation sucks. People can be good Americans--or welcome visitors--& still be proud of their roots. We don't need a white-bread blandness in the USA. We've never HAD that in Texas.

[flashdebadge]

152. I'm not even going to address that last comment. It doesn't dignify a

response.

[Bridget Burke]

154. You can't "dignify" my last remark.

It's already dignified--if a bit snarky.

(Let me guess--you're also "English only.")

[northzax]

51. have fun, boys

you enjoy the digging and the fencing.

where do these people get the friggin TIME to do this shit?

[EFerrari]

58. I wonder if your average Minuteman is a land owner

or just your average freeper in his shorts in his mom's basement.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Does anyone still have that picture

of Boss Hog in the back of the pickup that had the Texas flags?

THAT is your average Minute Man.

[EFerrari]

62. I missed that one but found this:

[beam me up scottie]

63. Perfect!

That will do just fine.

Didn't somebody just try to tell us that Minute Men only care about the fact that laws are being broken?


On edit, I think Commie is selling that poster the Brooklyn bridge.

[EFerrari]

64. I must buy one. Just in case.

[beam me up scottie]

72. Oh, save one for me!

It will go nicely with my Florida real estate.

[GoldenOldie]

65. News photos of a few "Minutemen," sitting in camp chairs on the Arizona

Border reflects many of those obese Americans we have been hearing so much about. Sitting, relaxing in a camp chair and doing hard physical labor in the desert, far from hospitals and medical clinics while the well armed Mexican drug lords, and their soldiers watch and try to pick them off is something that these "Minutemen," aren't capable nor willing to endure.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Snort! The dumbasses got themselves lost in Vermont!

And I must say, I am extremely proud of how my fellow Vermonters reacted to their unwelcome presence!

I would have let them freeze.

[TheCowsCameHome]

139. These patriots could get lost in a pick-up truck camper.

[EFerrari]

69. And what the "Minutemen" don't consider is that those

drug lords probably have contracts with the border patrol and the DEA.

Business is business.

[beam me up scottie]

70. I FOUND IT, I FOUND IT !!!

You wouldn't believe how many posts I had to dig through from LAST year's minute man wars on DU.

On the other hand, it was nice to notice how many of their supporters are now pushing up daisies.

Anyway, here he is, Hogzilla in all his glory:

[EFerrari]

71. I'm in awe as searching DU is still tricky for me.

I just hope that he never has to run and retrench.

And, THIS keeps us safe from those Mexican al Qaida nannys and gardeners?

[beam me up scottie]

73. BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

Aw, c'mon!

You know you want him.

[EFerrari]

74. . . .

[beam me up scottie]

75. Quick !!!

Post a picture of George Clooney so I don't have to go to bed thinking about Hoggy's snout !

[EFerrari]

76. Here you go. Have a good one.

[beam me up scottie]

77. aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Much better, thank you!

Keep on keepin on!

[symbolman]

108. Why not just line up a series of

All you can Eat Buffet restaurants and then roll about 50 of these Hogzillas into position? Might need 60 just to be safe,after all it's 2000 miles - then mortar between them and Voila, an impenetrable "fence" composed of giant fatass idiots impossible to clamber over.. and think of the SHADE they would provide for those on the other side?

And if one died (you know, congestive heart failure, inability to breath THROUGH FAT), you just get out the crane and dump another Hogzilla on top of the last one who as he decomposes will create a solid foundation for the piling up of future right wing fatties.. a 2000 mile long wall of human (or subhuman as some may say) FLESH and adipose tissue. And of course the SMELL alone will keep those wiley mexicans from coming NEAR the Great Wall of ASSHOLES. Plus we could dress them all up like Elvis, so the Mexicans will be kept busy painting them on velvet until they pass out and die in utter bliss.. nobody fucks with the KING, especially once he'd become a drug sucking Pig..

Now if you stack them right, face down, then pull their pants down just a little more, beyond the legendary "plumber's butt" we all so enjoy when they repair our household devices, then you'll have a PERFECT FLAGHOLDER facing towards the sky so we can plant the flags of the various states in their asses.

Much like the way they bury people in some portions of the south, face down, with their asses exposed, so that the relatives have a place to park their bicycles when they come to visit their graves..

They have everything they need already, shows how much they know about construction, well, maybe some more chilifries and lard sandwiches for extra buffer..

But of course then there's the SEA on either side, perhaps they could be used as bouys or anchors with net between each lardass - hell, they could stretch that all the way to FRANCE to keep those "cheese eating surrender monkeys" from sneaking onto our soil..

At what point do they tear down the Statue of Liberty, or at least put an AK-47 in her hand to put those poor, starving, yearning to be free party crashers in their place?

(It really might be fun to clone a bunch of these lardos in their lawn chairs and clone them in Photoshop so that they form a human wall from coast to coast - I'd like to see that personally, like the Chimps in Weeds painting of Bush that one guy did..)

[NervousRex]

128. Hogzilla...

was, unfortunately, killed in a hunting "accident":

[LostinVA]

103. My Mom might... I sent it to her

[proud2BlibKansan]

83. They had a big rally here the other day

A friend of mine went. Here is what happened
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[SoCalDem]

86. Here are pictures of minutemen.. aging yahoos with

xenophobia,insecurity issues,unwarranted superiority complexes, persecution complexes, and paranoia..oh and guns & beer & cigarettes..unbrellas, lawnchairs, binoculars & coolers of "sammiches"..



Pictures of Minutemen

[oasis]

87. The pic of the badly beaten guy. The Minutemen did that?

They're no better than KKK.

[XemaSab]

92. There is definitely an obesity crisis in our county... sad really...

[semillama]

107. well, shoot

If I go birding near the US/Mexican border, am I going to be mistaken for one of these pricks with the binoculars? Because that would really piss me off.

and the whole fence concept is retarded, considering how much land along the border is NOT private property. How many of the illegal immigration migration routes even go through private land?

However, something does have to be done to address the problems of illegal immigration. Some sort of "guest worker" program that actually recognizes the realities of the situation may not be a bad idea. Anything to cut down on the damage being done to the wildlife refuges along the border, for one.

[kineneb]

126. sufferers of Dunlap's disease

'cause their stomach dun lap over their belts. I'd like to see them attempt to run after the "invaders". Like the corporations that hire the illegals would actually let these dweebs cut down on their source of cheap labor.

Fine and imprision the business owners that hire illegals and we will see a real drop off in boarder crossings.

[XemaSab]

131. You could make the most hysterically funny sitcom about these bozos

[LostinVA]

104. And I'm betting they hate us queers, too

[killbotfactory]

90. Will they use cheap immigrant labor?

[GoldenOldie]

110. The US incapable of building levees in New Orleans that could withstand

the Katrina's, what fools think we have the capability or the funds to build a border fence?

[habitual]

113. well spend your millions

they can dig a fuckin tunnel from tijuana far into the states, all they need is a damn shovel or bolt cutters to get through this amazingly brilliant security system. A fence is a joke....

[Bushies gotta go]

114. Since when does vigilantism go unchecked in this country? n/t

[Akoto]

116. I don't mean to ask a stupid question, but ...

Wouldn't they be breaking the law by doing something like this? I have to imagine that someone owns the properties along the border, and you can't just throw up a fence on it without their permission. Hell, where I live, you have to get a permit from your city just to put one up.

[Freddie Stubbs]

117. Apperently the property owners are giving permission

[Critters2]

120. They say they're negotiating with the land owners

and have some on board already. It is an awful lot of land to either buy or get permission to use, but they say they're doing it.

[Bridget Burke]

121. Yes!

Many property owners along the Border would absolutely refuse them the right of access. And some of the Border goes through public land--like Big Bend National Park.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

122. Apparently they are doing it with the property owners' permission

Last time they were out in Douglas, they cost that economically depressed town a half a million dollars in revenue (guess the Minutemen didn't buy as much as the "illegales" do) I say let them...if they are building the fences on private property, then fine. After all, it is the property owners' duty to protect their own property.

[Bridget Burke]

135. The will not get permission from ALL the property owners....

So their Wall will be about as effective as a leaky condom.

[slackmaster]

136. In the case of federal or public lands it would definitely be illegal

The AZ/Mexico border lands includes a military base or two, a national monument, a national wildlife refuge, at least one Indian reservation, and BLM land.

[Bandit]

125. "Mr Gorbachev (sp) tear down that wall."...

The irony escapes them. They say that was Reagan's greatest moment...

[Vidar]

133. Lawn chair jockies to build alama dike!

[classysassy]

144. Chris"Simple"Simcox

why don't you take your racist ass back to California,most of us here in Arizona( the silent majority)wish you nothing but the worst for you and your closet klam men and broads.

[NorthernSpy]

146. it's a SYMBOLIC ACTION, people!

... or rather, it's a symbolic action/direct action hybrid, to categorize it more accurately.


Arguments that the Minutemen won't be able to complete the fence due to lack of resources, manpower, permits to build on public land, etc miss the point.

Clearly, the intent of this action is to raise consciousness among potential supporters and to increase the pressure on politicians who have not taken anti-illegal immigration grievances seriously.

Honestly, now: don't you imagine that the MMn are already aware that they haven't the means to build an impermeable barrier from the Gulf to the Pacific?

Consider: if they can demonstrate success in curbing border violations on even just one ranch or reservation, that will be all they need for good press about the fence-building effort. And if trespassing increases in other areas as a result, all the better: those affected will likely be more interested in taking part in the fence project.

[Robb]

150. Or, put another way,

Rancher X gets a free fence.

[DeaconBlues]

155. Fences set up on private property

What's the problem? Are people here saying that a person doesn't have the right to fence in their property?

[Sapere aude]

156. And what are the going to do about the tunnels the drug smugglers use?