Iranian president: 'Rotten' Israel will be annihilated by 'one storm'

[ECH1969]

Days after announcing that Iran had successfully enriched uranium, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday called Israel a "rotten, tree" that will be annihilated by "one storm."

The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm," he said. "Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihiliation," Ahmadinejad said.

Ahmadinejad fired a series of verbal shots at Israel, saying it was a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated, and again questioning the validity of the Nazi Holocaust against Jews in World War II.

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=7...

[onehandle]

1. Doubtful. If Israel feels threatened, they'll use their nukes first. nt

[Az_lefty]

4. They certainly will...

it looks like the president if Iran is doing his level best to set himself up for an attack.

[ladjf]

26. You are right. But, why? Is he bug nuts or on some kind of "take"?

[K-W]

29. He isnt setting himself up,

his words have nothing to do with US policy decisions and he knows it. The US will attack Iran for purposes of geoplotical strategy, and in the meantime he is talking tough like any conservative politician would.

[sutz12]

78. Is that a Freudian slip, or what?

geo_plot_ical

[uncle ray]

161. the thing is

his words may mean nothing to our government as far as attacking Iran goes, but they mean a hell of a lot to the ignorant american people who will see them as little more than justification for us to attack.

[okieinpain]

194. and don't forget the ones in his country that will strap on the bombs

that will greet our soldiers as hero's.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. How about the fact that he has an alliance with Russia, China, and...

...India? Could he be the bait in a global plan to begin dealing with the NeoCon Junta?

If memory serves me correct, wasn't the Nazi invasion of Poland the trigger for the Allied entry into WWII?

[K-W]

37. When did this alliance happen exactly?

Last time I checked the cold war was over and India was a US ally.

[Warren Stupidity]

59. India is non aligned and fiercly maintains that status.

On the other hand there is no such alliance as the OP posits with Russia, China and Iran either.

He may be referring to BRIC - the loose coalition of Brazil, Russia, India, and China, which as far as I know is more of a concept than an 'alliance' and it certainly is not a military pact that would be conniving to lure the US into their clever Iranian trap. I could be wrong of course, it could be a REALLY CLEVER TRAP, but I doubt it.

Which leaves the original question unanswered - exactly what game is Iran playing?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

74. If you think I'm wrong, do a few Google searches and prove it.

[Warren Stupidity]

77. It seems that you are correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organ...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

86. Thank you...didn't mean to seem ugly about it. Apologies to you.

[Warren Stupidity]

88. If I learn something it is a good day. nt.

[ButterflyBlood]

163. That's not exactly an alliance

Note that Pakistan, hardly an Indian ally, is also in it.

[K-W]

87. Google doesnt seem to agree with you

When i google 'Iran India Alliance" I get analyses about why India voted against Iran in the IAEA.

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/2907 <- First link from google.

[K-W]

80. That was once true, it isnt true anymore

What better source than Bush himself.

After the attacks of September the 11th, the Indian Navy provided vital support to Operation Enduring Freedom by relieving American ships securing the Strait of Malacca, and we thank the Indian Navy. Today, our nations are cooperating closely on critical areas like bioterrorism and airport security and cyber security. Our military cooperation is stronger than ever before. America and India are in this war together, and we will win this war together. (Applause.)

In the long run, the United States and India understand that winning the war on terror requires changing the conditions that give rise to terror. History shows us the way. From the East to West, we've seen that only one force is powerful enough to replace hatred with hope, and that is the force of human freedom. Free societies do not harbor terrorists or breed resentment. Free societies respect the rights of their citizens and their neighbors. Free societies are peaceful societies.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/03/2006030...

[fujiyama]

105. I wouldn't quite call it an "alliance" per se

Each of the nations you listed have seeked closer relations with Iran due to energy concerns (well moreso for China and India anyways).

All three also did vote to refer Iran to the SC.

China does sell them military hardware as well, but if the US were to attack Iran (a very foolish prospect), China or Russia would likely not get involved directly. They may supply Iran with ammo or intelligence, but that's as far as I'd see their involvement.

India meanwhile, was currying favor with them earlier and obviously still would like to maintain close relations, but I have not seen them selling any military hardware. They were planning on running some joint military exercises and they wanted that pipeline which the US fiercely opposes, but they may ditch those plans if they get the nuclear agreement to go through.

[Pavulon]

110. If Iran launches a first strike

all alliances are off. China is not going to engage in a nuclear war with us over an Iranian first strike.

[K-W]

116. There are no alliances.

Nobody is going to stand in the way of the US to protect the Iranian regime certainly nobody in the nuclear club.

The cold war is over and there is no indication whatsoever that Russia and China are interested in trying thier luck as rogue states again.

[converted_democrat]

128. I don't think you're right about that..

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html

The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran
By Jephraim P Gundzik

"The military implementation of the George W Bush administration's unilateralist foreign policy is creating monumental changes in the world's geostrategic alliances. The most significant of these changes is the formation of a new triangle comprised of China, Iran and Russia."

snip-
"In the past several years a number of Chinese and Russian companies have faced US sanctions for selling missiles and missile technology to Iran. Rather than slowing or stopping such sales, the pace of missile acquisition and development in Iran has accelerated. Like relations between China and Russia and China and Iran, Russia's relations with Iran have also advanced considerably in the past 18 months. In addition to increased investment in Iran by Russia and burgeoning arms trade between the two countries, Russia has been heavily involved in Iran's nascent nuclear energy industry."

snip-
"To China and Russia, Washington's "democratic reform program" is a thinly disguised method for the US to militarily dispose of unfriendly regimes in order to ensure the country's primacy as the world's sole superpower. The China-Iran-Russia alliance can be considered as Beijing's and Moscow's counterpunch to Washington's global ambitions. From this perspective, Iran is integral to thwarting the Bush administration's foreign policy goals. This is precisely why Beijing and Moscow have strengthened their economic and diplomatic ties with Tehran. It is also why Beijing and Moscow are providing Tehran with increasingly sophisticated weapons."

[K-W]

131. So Russia and China would completely reverse all of thier policies

and declare a war on the US that they could never hope to win and that would be likely to destroy both nations.

Huh?

China is experiencing historic development right now in partnership with US capital and they are going to give this up in favor of war with the US over Iran?

Russia, who even at the hight of the cold war wanted to avoid nuclear conflict would enter a military conflict with the US?

Yes, Russia and China are happy to sell Iran weapons, why wouldnt they? It means more money for them. But this does not prove an alliance. Making a buck off war is just the capitalist way.

[Pavulon]

133. I repeat

that means shit in the event if an Iranian first strike. I am sure the us would be happy to split the place up after they figured out how to clean up after a nuclear war.


Buying weapons from russia is as exclusive as getting a hooker in vegas.

[sabbat hunter]

5. israel

has a stated policy, that even likudnik bibi ascribed to. in which israel will never be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the region if war breaks out.

[onehandle]

14. Really? Admirable. I guess it's our job to start things.

I'm not sure Bush would really do it, but I know McCain would.

Fear McCain.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. Right. Totally believable.

[jayfish]

34. Are You Sure?

I mean, what's the point of having them then? Where's the regional nuclear threat that they are meant to respond to?

Jay

[manic expression]

206. Words are cheap

and so is this awesome bridge that I own.

[EVDebs]

15. Maybe not even nukes. To really farkel up Iran, all anyone has to do

is block the Strait of Hormuz to oil tanker traffic. Does Israel have subs ? For sure, the rest of the world would have an oil shortage, but do you think Israel would care at that point ? Mutual assured destruction means use nukes first and it will be your last time.

Mullahs, and the Mossad, need to get together on this line of thinking.

[K-W]

16. Israel certainly doesnt feel threatned. Iran is pinned.

Not only is Israel much more powerful than Iran, at the moment there are US forces on two of Iran's borders.

Iran is the one that, rightly so, feels threatned, which should be taken into account when reading this.

And, by the way, Iran doesnt have nukes and wont have them for any immediately upcoming war.

[manic expression]

213. It doesn't matter one bit

Israel has a long and storied history of seeing threats for no reason and using it for empty and backwards justification for atrocity and wrongdoing.

Sabra and Shatila were decimated because of this (the illusion of threat that Israel projects).

[WhiteTara]

2. here's another story on the same subjec

http://www.localnewsleader.com/kindred/stories/index.ph...
TEHRAN, Iran - The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank , "will be freed soon."

[Warren Stupidity]

60. Note that he does not deny the hollocaust happened.

And I'm sure that the rhetorical distinction will be lost on many, but he is saying that if true, why should middle eastern muslims pay for the misdeeds of europeans? It is a fair question, and it has no good answer.

[WhiteTara]

158. I noted that also. I think that is why

I posted that article, because it is a different slant that one presented by the msm.

[enigma000]

3. He's just pandering to his base, pay no attention

So, what's on TV tonight?

[stevekatz]

64. Pandering to his base...

Yeah.. Yeah..........

[Vinnie From Indy]

6. Like manna from heaven for BushCo

This guy really wants to get nuked obviously. It is hard to tell who is the craziest shit house rat between Smirky, Snarlin' Dick Cheney and this Iranian guy. Armageddon stew anyone?

[demosincebirth]

8. I'd like to put them all in a locked room for 2 days and see what happens

[Wise Doubter]

73. Cage Match ! Cage Match! Cage Match !

[arewenotdemo]

79. My money would be on Ahmadinejad

Bush would try to cheerlead Cheney from the sidelines (bring it on), but Cheney would have other priorities.

[EVDebs]

18. Ahmadinejhad appears to be a CIA plant. No one in their right mind

would be saying this kind of stuff and expect olive branches from Israel. Looks like if Iran attacks first, Israel will take out every other Islamic capital in the region along with Gaza and the West Bank to boot. After that, the whole region becomes unlivable (radioactively). Which is funny since the region is already unliveable ideologically. Remember, they all think they're doing God's work on earth and are justified.

Yeah, right.

[The Magistrate]

39. Is It Your Serious Belief, Sir

That the C.I.A. controls the political processes of Iran?

[EVDebs]

167. Is it your serious belief that the CIA DOESN'T control the political

processes of Iran ? They certainly spend far too much time worrying about the Great Satan.

[Marie26]

203. How would they be able to do that?

Not saying you're wrong, but I'm just wondering how the CIA would manage to rig an election in Iran, a country in which we have no embassy, diplomats, or foreign relations. The CIA is notoriously bad on "human intelligence," which led to the failures in Afganistan & Iraq. The CIA was pretty clueless about Iraq's WMD's & political situation. From all reports, the CIA simply doesn't have enough peole who speak Arabic or are able to infiltrate these groups. How is the CIA going to manage to infiltrate Iran? And not only infiltrate Iran, but also manage to find a politician to be the CIA mole and have the knowledge & power to sway an election. It seems very unlikely.

[The Magistrate]

215. It Would Be Pleasant, Mr. Debs

If you could suggest some mechanism by which they do so. It would require infiltration to the point of predominance of the Guardian Council, composed of clerics trained in the most fundamentalist of Shia schools, and that would be no mean feat. If our nation's intelligence agencies displayed such competence as that, it would be some small comfort to a cold-blooded fellow like myself.

Unpleasant as the thought may be, Sir, there are any number of indpendent actors in this world, with their own agendas and directing their own activities. The world is not directed from a single location or by a single agency.

"The world is fundamentally ungovernable."

[EVDebs]

219. "Their Will Be Done"

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1983/07/willbed...

From 'Wild Bill' Donovan on down, the Knights of Malta (formerly the Knights Hospitaller of Crusades fame and arch enemy of the Knights Templar, who eventually became the Freemasons) have been in control of the highest eschelons of the CIA's pecking order. They even have permanent observer status at the UN , despite not being a 'country'. How odd.

Dear Magistrate, the mechanism you seek lies in its being hidden and not observed. Think along the lines of cause and effect. Go by what they do, not so much by what people say.

Some even think OBL is a CIA tool. Once the Cold War ended the US military industrial congressional complex needed a new replacement for the 'red scare'. Fanatical Islam provides the perfect foil. It keeps the status quo going merrily along. Arms sales, DoD super budgets, hidden 'black budgets', the Afgan opium/heroin trade... Mechanisms would be more appropo.

BTW, only a fool would seek to provide the exact non-nuclear event that would sink his own country's economy, but Ahmadinejhad has done so...

http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=443851

Q.E.D. Either he's acting FOR the CIA or Iran needs to rethink who they've voted for.

[AngryAmish]

235. Is there any proof that Ahmadinejhad is not a robot?

It does not seem that he is acting like a human.

[ECH1969]

238. hmmmmm

[Marie26]

41. Or else he's bat-shit crazy. nt

[K-W]

43. No one in thier right mind would expect olive branches from Israel.

Nothing this man says is going to effect the strategic decision to strike Iran. He talks tough for the same reason conservative politicians everywhere talk tough.

Iran will most certainly not be attacking Israel first.

[Warren Stupidity]

62. no one in their right mind ...

"would be saying this kind of stuff and expect olive branches".

No sane leader would threaten another nation and expect peace in return. I give you George Bush.

[EVDebs]

168. Althought we don't hold pep rallies with "Death to Iran" chants

We save that for our high school football friday nights !

[humbled_opinion]

7. Antagonizing

What does he get out of antagonizing a warmonger like Bush?? I sense some type of set up going on here...

[The Magistrate]

9. If You Might Clarify Your Statement, Sir

Are you suggesting the President of Iran is co-operating with the current regime in the United States?

[Sterling]

45. WHo cares? Plant or not.

Iran is going to get the shit bombed out of them and I am totally fine with that at this point. It will be the only thing Bush does right his whole term. I just wish they had not murderded 3000 Americans for the pretext.

[The Magistrate]

47. Always Interesting To Have Your Views, Mr. Sterling

So you may be viewed as supporting a U.S. bombing campaign against Iran sometime this fall?

[Sterling]

50. Yes, actually I would like it to start about 30 years ago.

Better late than never. I don't want to live under the thumb of any kind of fundie. Fundies with Nukes, forget about it. It's bad enough we have our fundies running the show here, their fundies scare me even more.

Iraq? That made little sense to me, Iran makes all the sense in the world.

[Warren Stupidity]

70. So it is ok with you that thousands,

perhaps millions if we take the nuclear option, die because you don't like the Iranian regime?

"I don't want to live under the thumb of any kind of fundie. Fundies with Nukes, forget about it." - that is our government sir. By your logic the world is within its rights to annihilate us.

[MUAD_DIB]

83. Presently, what has the Bush regime done besides

saber rattling and implied threats against Iran?

I don't want to see a newcular Iran with their present political/theocracy, but I have not see any overt diplomacy from our side.


Calling their country part of the Evil Axis didn't really help?

Did it?


Regardless of my county's political makeup I would be doing exactly what the Iranians are doing right now if the USA were threatening my sovereignty.


There's no easy way out of this mess.

[DemExpat]

102. Fundies are fundies....IMO, so you advocate bombing

some over there along with untold innocents, while giving your own more familiar, more local fundies a pass because "their fundies scare me even more"?????

What kind of argument is that for violence? Sounds like same old same old ones to me.



DemEx

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

140. Your confidence on the defensive capability of the US

does not reflect reality, to say the list.

How, pray tell, would Iran be able to make America live "under their thumb?"

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[The Straight Story]

172. What do you support in this?

If Iran is talking crap, which they seem to be doing, should we just let them do as they please and then pick up the pieces later??

People like to compare bush to hitler, but I see more of a comparison with Iran to hitler and germany than I do the US.

With all the land owned and controlled by muslims in the ME, why are they not simply offering the palestinians space there, and why are they so scared about a tiny strip of land? Iran has more space than Israel, what makes them so upset??

[oblivious]

98. So now Iran was responsible for 911.

Would it be unreasonable for me to ask for proof of your claim?

[Warren Stupidity]

101. Yeah but don't hold your breath.

I am astounded by the those here who are falling FOR THE SAME BULLSHIT ALL OVER AGAIN. And as usual, the hate speak come seeping out, and it is ok to kill 'them' for lots of reasons, and 'they are different' and all the rationals for why unprovoked slaughter is acceptible. Many of us have learned nothing at all.

[ronnie624]

181. As long as U.S. Americans are so profoundly ignorant

and the mighty propaganda machine is so powerful, no more than the work of a moment will be required to convince them to support more slaughter.

Very depressing.

[Marie26]

205. It's not so easy this time

Over 90% of Americans think Bush lied to get us into war with Iraq. If he tries to sell a new line about Iran, Americans will be much more suspicious. The trust is just gone.

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[cliss]

10. Hi, Humbled.

Welcome to the DU

That was exactly my thought. How do we know Ahmadinejad actually said this? Several people here at the DU have experessed doubt about his quotes. They say they're not sure about our own media reporting. They feel that he could have said something much milder, or completely different. FOX media (and other media) will twist it into something else.

~~Just call me skeptical.~~

[951-Riverside]

13. If he didnt say these things I'm sure they would try their best to deny it

...as of yet they havent denied ANYTHING this mini hitler/bush said

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. Uh...just where would those denials appear? Do you actually....

...believe they would be reported by the MSM?

[The Magistrate]

42. Journals Like The Guardian, Sir

Would probably pick them up. Certainly al Jazeera would. If they existed, they would be available, and doubtless would be posted here in this forum by someone.

Uncomforatble as the fact may be to accept, there are quite a lot of foolish and evil people scattered over the globe, and their foolishness and evil exists at a wide variety of points on the various political and religious and economic spectra.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

94. IMHO, most of the "foolish and evil people" are concentrated....

...in the NeoCon Junta. IMHO, they are currently responsible for far more deaths and maiming than any other sovereign nation or terrorist organization. IMHO, that also makes the NeoCon Junta the greatest threat to world peace since Adolf Hitler. It is more than just coincidental that the members of the NeoCon Junta have so many close ties to the

As to what the Iranian leader said or did not say, may I invite you to do a Google search to determine exactly what he did say in regards to the Holocaust? It has come out in print, and it has been posted to the DU boards more than a couple of times...and has been routinely shouted down just as often.

[The Magistrate]

216. You Would Seem, Sir

To have a much more elevated view of humankind than my experience of us clever monkeys allows me to maintain. There are not nearly enough persons in the tiny group you mention to constitute even a reliable statistical sampling, let alone a majority, of the evil fools upon this poor globe....

"It is not just the fault of the axe, but the tree as well."

[file83]

164. Al Jazeera reported on this story....

From Al Jazeera:

In his speech on Friday, Ayatollah Khamenei accused the United States of conspiring to place the entire Middle East under Israeli control.

"The plots by the American government against Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon aimed at governing the Middle East with the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed," he said.

You won't find that last quote in the OP article. If that statement were true concerning the "plot" of the American Government and Israel, could you blame Iran for being pissed off and trying to get nukes for their country?

Iran is worried (for good reason, two countries on either side bordering their nation are occupied by the USA) that Israel/America are plotting to invade/occupy Iran and wants to be able to protect their country.

I'm not in defense of the president's crazy rhetoric and hyperbole, he's an arrogant and offensive man, but I'm just saying, try to look at Iran's situation through their eyes in terms of National Sovereignty.

If Russia had Mexico and Canada occupied and WE didn't have nukes, we might get into a mad rush to develope them, wouldn't we?

[ButterflyBlood]

197. OK, let me get this straight:

You honestly believe that:

1-There is a plan by the US to place the entire Middle East under the rule of Israel
2-This is true because the Iranian Supreme Leader said so, and he is a valid and trustworthy source.

[HuffleClaw]

36. everything he says is EVIL

or so they'd have us believe. i think what is happening is some 'creative translation'.

[Marie26]

40. That's a stretch.

He also created a "Holocaust cartoon contest" to protest the Muhammad cartoons. The connection between Jews and the Danish Muhammad cartoons is a bit sketchy, but that didn't seem to matter to him. The man is a true anti-Semite and takes every opportunity he can to demonize or rant about Jewish people. This is just one of a long series of anti-Semitic remarks he has made.

[K-W]

20. He knows that the decision to invade has nothing to do with his words.

Iran is under imminent threat of attack, his bluster is intended for an Iranian audience that wants to hear tough talk in ths time of immense fear.

[Sterling]

46. immense fear

God I hope so. They need to be really fucking scared. Their asshole leader is going to get them all killed. Kinda like ours except we can actually put Iran on the ash heep of history. I really am tired of being pushed around by Islamic Fundies.

[Catrina]

142. We were told we'd put Iraq on the thrash heap of history also.

If the neocons had a dream of who might be running Iran at this point, he would be it. And he would not be there had it not been for the neocons who have done more to endanger Americans than any Islamic fundie could dream of.

The Pentagon Spy case has revealed quite a bit about these neocons and their longtime dreams of 'turning the whole Middle East into a cauldren of fire'. You know, 'kill all those ragheads'.

The Shadow Gov. created by Cheney and his band of warmongers, especially the likes of Ledeen are filled with hatred for all Arabs. This country should never, ever allow hate and prejudice to control its foreign policy.

I sincerely hope they are all removed from office as quickly as possible and prosecuted for the crimes they committed against this country and others before it's too late, and I have no doubt that such an action would go a long way to restoring some confidence in this country.

This is the country, under this regime, that has invaded two countries and is planning on invading at least three more. It is this country that is threatening the use of nuclear power. This is the threat to world peace under this regime. Iran was no threat to this country until these madmen provoked it because they want war.

I hope someone with sense takes over the reigns of this government before it's too late.

[K-W]

147. You arent being pushed around.

The US is the big kid on the playground here in the real world.

[adriennui]

96. iranians are smarter than to believe their insane leader

i wouldn't be surprised to see a major takeover by iranians in the near future. a point is reached when the people will take just so much. the fact that the gov't hasn't done anything to protect earthquake ravaged areas is an example

and BTW, israel has had nuclear capabilities for decades. have they used them? israel has them for leverage and defense in a dangerously hostile neighborhood.

[K-W]

100. He's a racist conservative

There are lots of them in this world, and they win elections far too often. As far as the people of Iran, there is a strong movement for reform in Iran, but it is a delicate situation especially with the constant threat of US aggression. Thier current president is a reactionary conservative elected mainly because the reform government before him didnt fufill thier promises of reform. If we let Iran on its own, there will be more reforms and change will come eventually at the demand of its people, hopefully without violence. Unfortunately it doesnt look like we have any intention of leaving them alone. As long as there is the constant threat of US aggression, Iranians will rally behind tough talking conservative politicians to enough of an extent that it seriously inhibits domestic progress.

[0007]

11. I'm not sure that Israel has any confidence in junior anymore.

[951-Riverside]

12. Wow he's one angry little Hitler

Its like he's BEGGING for us to invade his country while he escapes.

[leftchick]

22. no angrier than our little hitler

the are both of the same type. Religious fanatics who want armageddon. The difference is Iran's fanatic has no where near the power that the chimp has. Iran has controls over their president, we have none.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. No, sorry...the U. S. already has the next Hitler. Who has Iran...

...illegally bombed, invaded, and occupied during the last 20+ years? Where are the Iranian "detention" and torture centers?

[Sterling]

48. Iran sucks.

I don't see any reason defending Iran at this point. But go ahead anyway. They treat their people like shit, elect some Holocaust denying anti semite who wants nukes. Better to end Iran now than be under the thumb of some assholes who want to kill people over a cartoon.

[magellan]

76. Yeah.

Better to live in the US under the thumb of some assholes who DO kill people over oil.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

81. Excuse me, but which country has illegally invaded and occupied...

...two sovereign Middle Eastern countries while killing at least 40,000 Afghans and more than 100,000 Iraqis?

Where exactly did you read that the Iranian leader denied that the Holocaust took place? Was it in the captive NeoCon MSM? Are you sure that's a literal translation of what the man said?

Do you not recognize the same propaganda gameplan the NeoCons used to whip up support for the military actions taken against Afghanistan and Iraq?

Are you that eager to see the NeoCons illegally and immorally attack yet another sovereign Midle Eastern country? Are you prepared for the use of nukes against Iran, and the resultant backlash?

[K-W]

84. You think Iran is a threat to you?

American paranoia is amazing.

[Pavulon]

112. Killed the Shit

out of our marines in Beirut. The french bombed their Revolutionary guard in response. If the USSR was not a player then they would have ben up shit creek them.

They are a violent, anti american nation. That is no reason to attack them.

But if someone says they are going to kill you it is wise to believe them.

If they fuck up and bomb israel using conventional or nuclear weapons they will be truly fucked. The level of their stupidity will determine if they are smashed like iraq in 90's or suffer 60% total casualty in a 1000 megaton response on cities and military targets.

[CityDem]

132. Better watch out

Israel has proven over time that they take these kind of threats very seriously. Israel is the one country in this world who would use nukes and ignore the condemnation of much of the world. Jews experienced the Holocaust and are not about to let some crazed Iranian mullahs annihilate their home. The people of Iran better find a way to tone down the rhetoric coming from Tehran – otherwise the whole country will be glowing from Israeli nukes.

[manic expression]

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[EVDebs]

169. I prefer simply blocking the Strait of Hormuz on their behalf

The occassionally threaten to do it themselves, but I'd allow for it just to destroy their economy and to get the world off it's oil "jones". This would have the added benefit of taking out the Saudi's economy to boot.

[rustydad]

107. Might you explaign?

How in the world the USA could find itself under the thumb of Iran? Bob

[951-Riverside]

115. Its not the Iranians its their leader(s)

The ruling religious leaders could tell this mini Bush/Hilter to tone down the rhetoric or just keep his mouth shut just like the republican leaders can tell our own mentally challenged leader to leave office.

[ronnie624]

183. Such hysterical nonsense.

You would be much better off if you spent more time reading and learning about the world in which you live and less time watching football.

[ECH1969]

69. Israel probably is going to take action and it will be very ugly

If the Jewish cartoon writers are any indication.

[LoneDriver]

234. My Persian-Armenian friends think he's CIA

No joke.

[bluestateguy]

17. Dick

I feel as if we can oppose a war with Iran and still call this guy what he is: a racist, sexist, anti-Semetic, anti-gay Muslim fundamentalist wacko.

One reason, among others, to oppose a war with Iran is that it would only strengthen Nazis like Ahmadinejad in Iran. The people will rally around him if the US attacks.

[bunkerbuster1]

52. Pretty much my take.

It's a shame, because there are millions of Iranians who really have no quarrel with us, who don't want to be ruled with an iron fist by fundie dickwads, but have to put up and shut up for now.

[Gman]

21. This guy's rantings remind me more and more of Idi Amin

This guy is a nut that likes to blow a lot of steam but has little if any ways to do what he says. This idiots biggest problem, as well as the rest of the world's, is everything he says is being taken and proclaimed as credible by the neocons.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. He's a nut?? That's what you're supposed to believe, isn't it?....

...Have you ever noticed the pattern our Fearless NeoCon Leaders are following? Demonize the leaders of other countries before we illegally bomb, invade, and occupy them?

Newsflash! Our Fearless Leaders are far more nuts and dangerous than the Iranian leader could ever hope to be.

[maddezmom]

82. my personal opinion is they are both nuts

and equally so. They both play to their fundamental base.

[951-Riverside]

118. Any leader who wants to wipe out an entire race/nation... just because

Is not one you want to side with.

[fujiyama]

176. Bush really doesn't need to

demonize Ahmedinajad much. He's doing a pretty fine job of making himself look like an ass hole.

Does this mean we have to bomb him? Not necessarily, but that doesn't excuse his maniacal rantings.

BTW, why do you state Bush is worse every single time? It goes without saying that Bush is a maniacal messiahnic freak. Most of us here agree on that point. We also realize that he's far more powerful and dangerous on a larger level.

But why the virulent defense of another madman? Ahmedinajad isn't just some "poor victim" of the neocons. He's a raving, antisemitic lunatic and it doesn't make one a neocon to realize that.

[AngryAmish]

237. Amin was a monster

[Ezlivin]

23. Anybody here speak Persian?

That's the only way we'll really know what he's saying.

I'm pretty cynical when it comes to translations supplied by our government. We know how "on top" of languages they are (re: Sibel Edmonds).

[CJCRANE]

32. No, but his comments were about the "regime".

It's a comment about regime change rather than nuclear annihalation.

It's aggressive posturing but no different from *'s threats to other countries.

Having said that, this guy (just like *) seems to be a real loose cannon in the way mouths off all the time.

[Poll_Blind]

126. See post #111 for Iranian News Agency release- the official English....

...release.

PB

[Boojatta]

27. At the end of the Second World War, how many refugees did Iran accept?

Where did the people in Israel come from? Where should they go?

[Warren Stupidity]

72. I believe his point is that why should the people of the ME

have to pay for the crimes of the europeans against the Jews? It is a fair question. It was not the arabs who put 6,000,000 to death.

[Pavulon]

113. Arabs

aligned with the reich and payed the price. Israel was jewish before mohammed ever existed.

[Warren Stupidity]

190. That is an argument that is so massively dishonest

that I am astounded. It is on par with the idiocy of the Iranian president and is a stellar example of why the regions is doomed to consume itself, including your beloved Israel, in a maelstorm of death and destruction, perhaps taking the rest of our planetary civilization with it.

The guilt of the holocaust is entirely on those who committed the crimes, not on some colonial resistence politician who made a bad choice while trying to free his people from their foreign oppressors.

"Israel was jewish before mohammed ever existed."

Oh fine, so you want to go back to the disapora. Well then you would of course like to acknowledge that it was the ROMANS who committed that crime, and that the Jewish state was but an ancient memory when Islam became the dominant religion of the people of the region. Perhaps Israel ought to move its people to Tuscany. Tell me though, do you think that we ought to get out of the Americas? That was a mere 500 years ago, and for some of the western tribes, less than 150 years.

Shame on you, but thanks for illustrating just how fair a question was asked, and how dishonest the response is.

[Pavulon]

201. All Nations

are built on the backs of other cultures. The fall of the ottoman empire and the fall of the third reich played major roles in mideast politics.

The UN created israel. If Iran chooses not to acknowledge them or destroy them that is their burden. Their price to pay.

However Israel like every nation presently on the map has a history. That history is no different than germany's or norway's

[The Straight Story]

220. Iran has a lot of land, why not give it to palestinians?

Give them their own state there.

Israel is a tiny slice of land in the whole scheme of things - who is really being pigheaded here?

Does israel have oil, gold, etc?

[adarling]

30. well he is poetic but utterly insane

feel horrible for those people, they are in the same situation we are in, a radical gov't in charge and they probably didn't even vote for the guy.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

35. He's a lot less insane...and dangerous...than Herr Busch.

[Rex]

33. Wow, another insane man with nuclear power.

How many can the world stand before we all get annihilated?

[K-W]

38. He doesnt have nuclear weapons

nor would he even control them if Iran had them.

There are much more dangerous racists in the world.l

[Bush_MUST_Go]

53. Iran is simply taking up where Saddam left off.....

Daring the stupid Americans to knock the battery off its shoulder.

It's a win-win for Iran.

If America takes them up on their challenge, they go ahead and call themselves martyrs & easily find plenty of insurgents willing to defend against the invasion by infidels.

If America does not take them up on the challenge, America looks weak & that also helps them recruit willing insurgents to further embarrass the scared Americans in countries all over the region.


Americans lost the 'war on terror' when we were coerced into invading Iraq and forced to pretend our 'allies' Saudi Arabia & Pakistan weren't really the biggest threats in the region.

Hopefully, once, bush & the rest of his corrupt business partners are out of power, America will be able to recover from the devastating personal business deals they have made at our expense. They're destroying our country worse than any outside enemy ever could.