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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:56 PM
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Rumsfeld Challenges Rice on 'Tactical Errors' in Iraq
Hennen asked Rumsfeld: "Do you agree with that? Have we made thousands of tactical errors? And does that concern you?"

Rumsfeld replied: "I don't know what she was talking about, to be perfectly honest."

Rumsfeld pointed to the nature of the Iraq war -- unpredictable from the start -- as the reason the United States has had to change tactics over the past three years.

"If you had a static situation and you made a mistake in how you addressed the static situation, that would be one thing," he said. "What you have here is not a static situation, you have a dynamic situation with an enemy that thinks, uses their brain, constantly adjusts, and therefore our commanders have to constantly make tactical adjustments."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 09:59 PM
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1. DumbfuckingRummy doesn't know diff between tactical & strategic
How goddamn sad is that?...
:eyes: :grr:
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PublicWrath Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:03 PM
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2. In other words, "What didn't go right?" I hate him so. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:07 PM
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3. Denial and refusal to be accountable. The hallmarks of a republican.n/t
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:16 PM
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16. Don't forget insanity
which is another mandatory trait. Rummy is batshit crazy, and the rest are sociopaths. What has our country come to?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:07 PM
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4. It's the bad news, Don it's the bad news.
You've GOT to put a stop to it, do you hear? We all know the Iraq was is actually a stunning success, except for the negative publicity.

Eliminate the negative = you've got success.

Even if it's people from your own administration, you better get them to quit saying stuff like that.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 06:34 AM
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43. The media must stop PUBLISHING THESE**** GRAPHIC PHOTOS***
They demean our troops and scare little children into thinking our Jack Booted heros are War Criminals




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DubyaSux Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:08 PM
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5. As everybody knows...
....you go in with the brains you have. Not the brains you wish you had.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:09 PM
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6. rumsfeld lives to a warriors code
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 10:10 PM by sweetheart
He's bound to the warriors code,
where every unregrettable act, remains so sadly unrepented,
except the flaw in his bushido of olde,
his failure a hirikiri error, his armour appears undented.

The old wrestler's then gonna go down, "pin", 6 points we're told,
yet the fact remains he was derelict,
and his duty is sullied, no matter what repentant fix he's sold,
and were he a real warrior he, rumsfeld err reflect.
Its time to pull the plug on thee,
military bullshit factory.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:16 PM
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7. Love it. At the next Cabinet meeting I bet you'll be able to just FEEL
the love between these two.

Hunter S. Thompson is worth invoking frequently. His remarks on the Nixon years were informative for us these days as the wheels fly off the Bush administration's freedomwagon in the Middle East.

Of Nixon's troubles, Thompson wrote that when the indictments began to criss-cross every paper in the land and it was apparent that SEVERAL people were going down, "Nixon's men turned on each other like rats in a slumfire."

"Like rats in a slumfire." This piece with Condiliar and Uncle Don sniping at each other is just what we'd expect from two people whose fingerprints are all over Bush's huge historical failure in Iraq. "Thousands of tactical errors." Including countless ones by both of these two folks.

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:16 PM
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17. Well, it's always been a tumultuous affair - trying to one up each other
in the eyes of their "leader". I'm sure Rummy orders fried rice every chance he gets when she's around. :evilgrin:










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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:19 PM
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18. Orders fried rice whenever she's around... a great line! Great photos,
too. Thank you.

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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:28 PM
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20. Thanks, they're all such fun to make up captions too. I think the one
where she's in green is when he's telling her what he plans on having for lunch - again.

That last one makes me think of the song, "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling"
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:30 PM
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21. That's great. And just the tune for it, too.
It's only April, but I'm thinking maybe we will see a real blue November coming up.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:50 AM
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26. Don't forget, too, that he's probably still nursing a grudge.
After all, let's all remember the tug-of-war between the two of them, awhile back, for the job of "coordinator of post-war Iraq." contradicta won. And typical of her world-class talent for being a tragically phenomenal fuck-up, she screwed this one up, too. If you want something royally and hopelessly and colossally botched, put condi on it. I'm sure rummy's male ego was mightily bruised when that "little gal" beat him to this big plum job. Not that he'd have handled it any better.

I'd bet money that there are LOTS of hard feelings between the two of them. rummy doesn't like to be shown up, or beaten at any game. It's probably even a bigger blow if he's beaten by a female.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:22 PM
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8. Pure Rummy
".....you have a dynamic situation with an enemy that thinks, uses their brain ...."

Just like those freedom hating terrorists using their brains to think. No wonder we can't win.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:45 PM
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13. We're fighting them there so we don't have to think over here? n/t
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:22 PM
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9. "...the Iraq war -- unpredictable from the start -- " Phfft! They were
all so damned sure it was going to be a cakewalk, slam dunk, piece of cake, we'll be greeted with flowers and candy, yada, yada, yada.
NOW he says it was unpredictable from the start? No, it was VERY predictable and the dire warnings were coming from all directions. Rummy and friends just chose to ignore the truth to push their own demented agenda.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:22 PM
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10. When Rummy says "to be perfectly honest" he should be struck
by lightning.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:50 PM
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39. All this inter-big-league-asshole fighting will just make Bush drink more
and we don't need that!
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 09:42 PM
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41. oh how so very true. LOL!!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:23 PM
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11. Condi Lice and Rumfield Mice to face off
:rofl:
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 10:26 PM
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12. yeah, exactly "you have a dynamic situation with an enemy that thinks...
"...uses their brain, constantly adjusts..." up against a stagnant pool of anti thinkers
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:10 PM
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14. Rummy da Riddler
This guy speaks in Riddles. I never have a clue what the hell he is talking about.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:39 PM
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23. he is quite the word-chopper, and people say i am indecipherable...
:shrug: a belated welcome to du, maseman :hi: :patriot:
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:14 PM
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15. Meltdown..MELDOWN!
GODS, I love it when the start eating their own.

Condi, Rummy, go at it and get the fangs going! Save us the bother while you devour each other.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:31 PM
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22. LOL
:rofl:
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:22 PM
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19. You go to war with the tactics that you have . . .
Not the effective tactics you wish you had . . .

Because success doesn't even matter. He's actually brilliant, because their cronies are all in the business of destroying things and then building things that have been destroyed.

They have set up the perfect revenue stream of death and profit. The fact that it is a massive failure just plays right into their wallets.
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Late Slip Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:46 PM
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24. Sadly, I find this funny
How can he not acknowledge even some degree of fallability? Everyone can see that mistakes were made - he just looks foolish when he doesn't and continues to lose credibility.
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 05:19 AM
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28. Rummy blows
If you pretend it never happened, then by god it didn't happen!$#$! :puke:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:20 AM
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25. I shake my head!! damm
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:06 AM
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27. R&R takes on a whole new meaning - Rummy and Rice
.
.
.

Virtually in control of the World's largest cache of nuclear weapons

scary - -

very scary . .

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:55 PM
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29. That phrase he used there... "to be perfectly honest."
Sure does ring hollow when it comes out of Don Rumsfeld's mouth.

Saying there'd been a thousand tactical errors in Iraq might be the one lone singular time Condi Rice ever told the truth.
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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:06 PM
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30. Rumsfeld Challenges Rice on 'Tactical Errors' in Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 6, 2006; A21



Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he did not know what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was talking about when she said last week that the United States had made thousands of "tactical errors" in handling the war in Iraq, a statement she later said was meant figuratively.....

*snip*

uh um oh uh...WHAT? really? you are in the innermost sanctum of team shrub and you can't get your stories straight?
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:06 PM
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31. There's quite the catfight between the two of them lately...
It's probably not good to so enjoy watching the S.S. Bush go down, since it's taking us with it, but it is fun.

:popcorn:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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32. Her glare is far uglier and far more destructive than his
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 02:34 PM by saigon68


It is said, she can BREAK mirrors with only a slight glance
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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37. that is a terrible pic of Condi. ucky
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 06:29 AM
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42. Its a face only a mother could love
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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34. That would be like "selbst-schadenfreude," I think, although
I may have just coined a new German neologism :)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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33. I Can Think Of Over 2300 Tactical Errors......
and then add another 16,000+, not to mention the 100,000+ and the collateral "fallout" from Depleted Uranium.....
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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35. This kind of "in-fighting" is common within a fascist organization.
The "pecking order" is determined by your position in relation to the Leader. The Leader is always rearranging departments and leadership and giving perks and "nods" to one or another of His minions for the sole purpose of creating this jealousy and strife. It is a type of reinforcement for the Leader and is an object lesson for all young Himmlers on the way up...
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:13 PM
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38. Common to any "cult of personality" actually, not just
fascist organizations.

Hitler was able to play one bureaucratic fiefdom off another as a way of maintaining and expanding his own power, especially after 1937.
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boddhi Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:07 PM
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36. apparently Condi didn't get the memo
that says: "This administration does a heckuva job - any and all errors made by anyone in this administration will be defined to fall within this 'heckuva job' definition"
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 09:13 PM
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40. Tactical errors from a layman (assuming you get over invading in the
first place was stupid):

1. Firing the iraqi army.
2. Not having sufficient personel in theatre for crowd control.
3. Not arranging for near immediate elections.

Of course the flaw was going in and deposing dictatorship while at the same time wanting the geopolitical cohesion that the dictatorship provided rather than the current fractured reality that is resulting from self-determination ie., a separate Kurdish north, balance of the nation dominated by Shiites and Iran, and a now rebellious adverse and still large Sunni minority.
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