Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Judicial intemperance: Scalia flips message to doubting Thomases

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:15 AM
Original message
Judicial intemperance: Scalia flips message to doubting Thomases

Judicial intemperance: Scalia flips message to doubting Thomases
By Laurel J. Sweet
Boston Herald
Monday, March 27, 2006 - Updated: 01:54 AM EST

Minutes after receiving the Eucharist at a special Mass for lawyers and politicians at Cathedral of the Holy Cross, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia had a special blessing of his own for those who question his impartiality when it comes to matters of church and state.

You know what I say to those people? Scalia, 70, replied, making an obscene gesture under his chin when asked by a Herald reporter if he fends off a lot of flak for publicly celebrating his conservative Roman Catholic beliefs.

Thats Sicilian, the Italian jurist said, interpreting for the Sopranos challenged.

Its none of their business, continued Scalia, who was the keynote speaker at yesterdays Catholic Lawyers Guild luncheon. This is my spiritual life. I shall lead it the way I like.

The conduct unbecoming a 20-year veteran of the countrys highest court - and just feet from the Mother Churchs altar - was captured by a photographer for the Archdiocese of Boston newspaper The Pilot, whose publisher is newly minted Cardinal Sean OMalley.

MORE:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?arti...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:20 AM
Response to Original message
1. Well, obviously Scalia did not give up food for Lent.
This overfed POS should be one of the people who are frog marched, IMO. too bad there are 9 more from that gene pool.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
14. Scalia ought to have given up flipping people off for Lent
Some penance, Nino!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
29. and give up telling reporters what pictures to print - Reuters added this:
"You know what I say to those people?" Scalia replied, making the obscene gesture and explaining "That's Sicilian."

The 20-year veteran of the high court was caught making the gesture by a photographer with The Pilot, the Archdiocese of Boston's newspaper.

"Don't publish that," Scalia told the photographer, the Herald said.

He was attending a special mass for lawyers and politicians at Cathedral of the Holy Cross, and afterward was the keynote speaker at the Catholic Lawyers' Guild luncheon.


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060327-...

=========
I wonder whether Scalia is saying and doing some of these things simply out of anger, or whether they are due to pathological changes in the brain due to aging: he's showing lack of inhibition and/or inappropriate social behavior (given that he's a Supreme Court justice).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #29
36. That's a good question
Incipient dementia could explain some of this. If so, it will only get worse. Eventually he may shed all of his clothes in the Supreme Court, and wander around naked. It isn't that unusual to see this in nursing homes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:31 AM
Response to Original message
2. Somehow I can't picture Christ making an obscene gesture under his chin.
Scalia references Jesus as a role model only when it suits his purposes. What a slug he is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. Even Michael Corleone has more class. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:57 AM
Response to Original message
3. he truly is a disgusting piece of garbage
he has no business being any kind of judge, let alone a Supreme Court justice :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Yep- and he's always been like that
Which is why he should NEVER have been confirmed.

Nor should either of his clones.

Too bad there's no opposition party, because we're going to get tons more of them just like him. In fact, we already have.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Yes Those DINOs out there won't stand up to these THUGS AND HOODLUMS
Like Lieberman they are little pansy asses when confronted by Incarnate Evil
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 06:51 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. WHERE IS THE PHOTO ! ? ? !
Article says it was captured by the photographer for the Pilot. I want to see that picture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. They won't Print it. This thug is the Poster Boy
For ANAL RAPE BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. Me too. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #6
41. Pilot is a WEEKLY Newspaper
Which does not come out till SUNDAY.
http://www.rcab.org/Pilot/storyIndex.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. The NeoCons ARE incarnate evil.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:07 AM
Response to Original message
9. Scalia on detainee jury trials - "Give me a break"


April 3, 2006 issue - The Supreme Court this week will hear arguments in a big case: whether to allow the Bush administration to try Guantnamo detainees in special military tribunals with limited rights for the accused. But Justice Antonin Scalia has already spoken his mind about some of the issues in the matter. During an unpublicized March 8 talk at the University of Freiburg in Switzerland, Scalia dismissed the idea that the detainees have rights under the U.S. Constitution or international conventions, adding he was "astounded" at the "hypocritical" reaction in Europe to Gitmo. "War is war, and it has never been the case that when you captured a combatant you have to give them a jury trial in your civil courts," he says on a tape of the talk reviewed by NEWSWEEK. "Give me a break."
Challenged by one audience member about whether the Gitmo detainees don't have protections under the Geneva or human-rights conventions, Scalia shot back: "If he was captured by my army on a battlefield, that is where he belongs. I had a son on that battlefield and they were shooting at my son and I'm not about to give this man who was captured in a war a full jury trial. I mean it's crazy." Scalia was apparently referring to his son Matthew, who served with the U.S. Army in Iraq. Scalia did say, though, that he was concerned "there may be no end to this war."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12017271/site/newsweek /

Ladies and gentlemen, another fair and impartial member of your Supreme Court.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 09:49 AM
Response to Original message
10. what an idiot! his inability to be objective certainly IS my business
and the business of every other American citizen. I couldn't care less how he leads his spiritual life -- that's the whole idea of separation of church and state.

I am actually more worried about his republican fascist life and how that taints his rulings.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:02 AM
Response to Original message
11. A spiritual life characterized by obscenity and emnity
That is, like, so Republican.

Have at it, hairball.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. HAIRBALL? my cat PUKES THOSE UP REGULARLY
Scalia is too Evil to be a Hair Ball.

He is more like a CARBUNCLE

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:29 PM
Response to Original message
16. K & R
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:35 PM
Response to Original message
17. A Supreme Court Justice flips the "Sicilian Bird" on Camera...
and this only gets 2 votes for greatest page?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
18. Well, a big fat Vaffanculo! to him, too! the "sticchiu". . .
sticchiu = pussy

:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
19. What a distinguished asshole
I've got another Sicilian gesture for this jerk and it involves a fist and some nasty words that I would never say in church and I'm not even a practicing RC anymore.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
20. Its not nice to fuck with
Its not nice to fuck with Fat Tony!

He can have you whacked!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
21. Scalia knows NOTHING of Catholic history in America
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 01:23 PM by Czolgosz
More than any other group, Catholics should be thankful for the separation of church and state enshrined in the First Amendment. Unfortunately, many Anti-Choice Catholics like Scalia have not learned their history in this regard.

Most early European settlement of America in New England, except in Rhode Island, was predominantly Puritan. These Puritans were notoriously intolerant of other religious views, and they had expelled Catholics and Quakers. Rhode Island was actually founded as a refuge for those who could not endure the religious intolerance of Massachusetts.

Virginia had laws establishing the Church of England as the state religion, and it had banned Puritans, Catholics, Quakers, Baptists, and Presbyterians from preaching their faiths. While Georgia had laws establishing the Church of England as the state religion, it was more tolerant and there was even a sizable Jewish community in Savannah, but even Georgia also expelled Catholics. Maryland was founded as an early haven for Catholics until the Church of England was established as the state religion, and then Catholics were not even welcome in Maryland. Similarly, the Carolinas were founded on the principles of religious toleration, but even North and South Carolina abandoned these principles and established the Church of England as the state religion.

Pennsylvania and Delaware were founded as sanctuaries for Quakers.

New York and New Jersey were relatively religiously tolerant and diverse, and laws nominally establishing the Anglican Church as the state religion (a vestigial artifact from their colonial origins) were not generally enforced. Anglicans, Protestants, Quakers, and Jews lived in relative harmony.

The anti-Catholicism was flagrant in pre-Revolutionary America.

How, you may ask, could these various states join into a union as one nation? All you have to do is read the very first ten words of the Bill of Rights: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

To the extent that the desire to outlaw women's sovereignty over their own wombs is based on religion, it is a desire we Catholics must oppose under the First Amendment. Catholics, above all other, must understand this because of our history.

To the extent that the desire to outlaw women's sovereignty over their own wombs is based on public health policy, we must understand that outlawing abortion is an ineffective means of lowering the abortion rate.

In countries with liberal abortions laws (much of Europe, for example), the abortion rates is generally very low; and countries where abortion is completely illegal (much of South America, for example), the abortion rate is very high. In America, Pro-Choice Clinton presided over a falling abortion rate while Anti-Choice Bush presides over a plateauing or slightly rising rate.

In short, the means to effectively reduce the abortion rate is by reducing the economic pressure on pregnant women and not by outlawing abortion. Anyone like me who wants to lower the number of abortions in America should fight to eliminate the root causes of poverty for pregnant women.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. I think that every time.
Our Catholic hospital in our area is where it is on the edge of town because no one would sell the Sisters of St. Joseph any land in the city limits when they came and tried to start a hospital and school.

Catholics have never been the majority in power, except in certain cities and enclaves. Overall, they've had a rough time of it and need that help from the First Amendment.

Btw, did he do that in church? My priest would've smacked him for that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:56 PM
Response to Original message
23. That tells you a lot about the quality
of our "supremes". A bunch of deflated egos who run the third and supposedly independent power. This outfit is as outdated as the Roman senate and needs to go down the drain of history asap.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
24. Who would Jesus flip off?
His actions speak.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:14 PM
Response to Original message
25. '...As for what he gave up for Lent this year,
Scalia was surprisingly tight-lipped and kept his hands at his sides, saying, Christ says dont do your penance out front. Keep it to yourself.....

His penance should start w/ the 'gesture'.

Somehow 'fat tony' doesn't strike me as the penitent type.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Texaroo Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. He obviously gave up civility.
So much for keeping your penance to yourself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
39. Lol! Good one, and welcome to DU. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:17 PM
Response to Original message
26. Is it just me or is he getting louder and more obnoxious by the day? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. I was thinking the same thing. Absolute PIG (in more than one way) n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. Is it merely anger, or is he showing signs of pathological changes in the
Edited on Mon Mar-27-06 03:05 PM by lindisfarne
brain due to aging (or some kind of neuropsychological problem): he's showing lack of inhibition and/or inappropriate social behavior (given that he's a Supreme Court justice and that he had just attended mass and supposedly is a devout Catholic - is there some kind of waiting period for obscene behavior in the Catholic church after attending mass as there is for eating before/after taking Communion?)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. I imagine the nuns would have whupped someone's butt
if they'd tried that in my school, lol!

I don't know. You're right: although he's always been a supercilious (sp?) pig, he usually behaved with some restraint -- more to play up his "dignity" and high position, I'm sure.

Suddenly, there doesn't seem to be any restraint. He's speaking out all the time, getting right in people's faces, and now obscene gestures in church?

Maybe he is coming unglued...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. I know - I agree.
It's all like a game of "can you top this?" to him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #26
40. It's the Mad Cow Disease talking. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
33. Wow. The moral majority is restoring dignity and honor
This is like having Tony Soprano on the Supreme Court. But aside from the inappropriate behavior, follow the logic without the Sicilian:

This response was for those who "question his impartiality when it comes to matters of church and state."

You know what I say to those people? Scalia, 70, replied...Its none of their business. This is my spiritual life. I shall lead it the way I like.

Golly, Mr. Good Manners, care to extend that privilege to the rest of us?






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:19 PM
Response to Original message
34. Pity he didn't choke on that magic cracker
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
35. Hey the guy decided who would be POTUS in 2000.
Why should he give a rats ass what we think?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
37. Justice Scalia gives a sign, but no finger
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1154AP_Scalia_Ge...

WASHINGTON -- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia used an Italian hand gesture when questioned by a reporter after attending church this past weekend.

The Boston Herald reported Monday that the justice made "an obscene gesture under his chin" - which prompted some online reports that Scalia had used his middle finger.

Untrue.

< snip >

The sign he used in Boston is frequently used by Italians to express displeasure with someone - from mild to deep irritation. It is done by cupping the hand under the chin and flicking the fingers like a backward wave.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. What Italians think about that sign (whole thread on that)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If anything, it's equal or worse than the finger.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat Aug 30th 2014, 01:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC