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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:05 AM
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US vows no permanent bases in Iraq
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060311/pl_afp/iraqusiranm...

BAGHDAD (AFP) - US ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad said that his country did not want permanent military bases in Iraq and that he was willing to talk to
Iran about the war-torn country's future.

"We want Iraq to stand on its own feet, we have no goal of establishing permanent bases here," he said in an interview with Iraq's Ash-Sharqiya television, according to a transcript obtained by AFP.

"Our goal is a working, a workable government, so that we can leave Iraq and let Iraqis handle all their circumstance themselves. That's our goal, and were very serious about this, we mean it," he said.

The ambassador said he was willing to speak with Iran about Iraq's future, stressing however that the US would not let its concerns over Iran's alleged nuclear weapons' drive influence its policies in Iraq.

...more...

On those "permanent bases":

Biggest Base in Iraq Has Small-Town Feel

Balad is scheduled to be one of the last four U.S. bases in Iraq and probably will be the very last, officials say. "Balad will be here, I believe, to the very end," said Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Slovenian-born F-15 pilot who commands the Air Force side of the operation.

Like most towns, Balad has distinct neighborhoods. The southwest part, home to thousands of civilian contractors, is "KBR-land," a reference to the construction company. "CJSOTF," for Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, is home to a special operations unit and is hidden by especially high walls. Visitors aren't welcome there, and the Army public affairs chief on the base said he'd never been inside.

<snip>

Of the 20,000 troops at Balad, only several hundred have jobs that take them off base. Most Americans posted here never interact with an Iraqi, and some never see one, said Army Lt. Col. Larry Dotson, who is effectively the city manager. The closest some troops here come to experiencing the Iraq seen on the evening news is the miniature golf course, which mimics a battlefield with its baby sandbags, little Jersey barriers, strands of concertina wire and, down at the end of the course, what appears to be a tiny detainee cage.

The town's most distinctive feature is the long runway that bisects it. Air Force officials say it is now one of the world's busiest. "We are behind only Heathrow right now," said Gorenc, the Air Force commander.


(Note to Mods: This is just over the 12 hour rule - but I searched and could not find it posted - Thanks for all you do and do as you will - UIA)
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:06 AM
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1. No bases "IN" Iraq ... because Iraq will "BE" a base.
Republican semantics at work again. :puke:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:08 AM
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2. Just a simple, bald-faced lie
Simple as Stalin or Hitler or Ferdinand Marcos.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:14 AM
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5. Exactly. nt
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:29 AM
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14. No, they plan to pull out within 1,000 years.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:10 AM
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3. Well then the opposite is true.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:12 AM
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4. I'm sure that Balad will be given to
the Iraqi's soon. :sarcasm:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:15 AM
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6. key phrase - "Permanent".

At the govt facility where I used to work there was a two story "temporary" building which has been around for almost 20 years, apparently they would have needed congressional approval to build a "permanent" structure but no such worries over a "temporary" building....
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:31 AM
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8. We have "Temporaries" on my campus.
They were built to handle the flood of GI Bill students.... in 1946!

They finally tore-down the WWII-vintage Quonset huts where Visual Arts was housed 2 years ago...

"No permanment bases" is a weasel-word!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:40 AM
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11. Define "permanent"
As Earth's sun is of one solar mass, it is expected to become a red giant in about six billion years. It will become sufficiently large to engulf the current orbits of the solar system's inner planets, including Earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_giant
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:49 AM
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18. The PATRIOT Act was supposed to be "temporary" as well.
I don't believe a word that this administrations emits for anything.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:17 AM
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7. from Jan 2006 article: EXCLUSIVE U.S. plans Baghdad embassy more secure th
EXCLUSIVE: BILLION DOLLAR BUNKER EXCLUSIVE U.S. plans Baghdad embassy more secure than Pentagon

AMERICA is to spend 1billion on an embassy in Baghdad "more secure than the Pentagon".

Plans for the hi-tech complex are being kept secret because of the terrorist threat in Iraq.

The exact location is not being released until later this year but it is likely to be built in the heavily fortified Green Zone area where the Iraqi government and US military command is based.

The embassy will be guarded by 15ft blast walls and ground-to-air missiles and the main building will have bunkers for use during air offensives.

The grounds will include as many as 300 houses for consular and military officials.

And a large-scale barracks will be built for Marines who will protect what will be Washington's biggest and most secure overseas building.

<snip>

"You may as well move the Pentagon to Iraq. It will be amazingly secure but it also flies in the face of claims American is preparing to leave Iraq to be policed and governed by Iraqis.

"Plans for four superbases across the country will only reinforce the view that the US is here to stay for the duration."

...more...
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:32 AM
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9. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad then stated.....
"PSYCHE!!!!", and revealed that he had his fingers crossed the whole time, according to the AP transcript.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:38 AM
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10. Khalizad - PNACer and former Unocal adviser
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zalmay_Khali...

Zalmay Khalilzad, the most senior Pashtun-American and highest-ranking Muslim to serve in the Bush administration,<1> became the U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan in November 2003. He headed the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Defense Department in 2000 and has been a Counselor to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld. <2>

He is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to President William Jefferson Clinton.

<snip>

Khalilzad was one of the original members of the Project for the New American Century (the only Muslim and non-native born American original member), and signed the January 26, 1998 letter to President Clinton, calling for a "comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime" in Iraq.<10>

<snip>

Zalmay Khalilzad served as an advisor to the giant oil company Unocal during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan. While working for the Cambridge Energy Research Associates in the mid 1990s, Khalilzad conducted risk analyses for Unocal for a proposed 890-mile, $2-billion, 1.9-billion-cubic-feet-per-day natural gas pipeline project which would have extended from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan. In 1997, Khalilzad "joined Unocal officials at a reception for an invited Taliban delegation to Texas." <13>

...more...

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:32 AM
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15. he has an extremely sordid history
not unlike his predecessor Negroponte. The Iraqis know what a fucking criminal he is.



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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:41 AM
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12. and that explains the billions spent on new bases.
riiiiiight.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 08:44 AM
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13. They use a "tiny detainee cage" as part of "miniature golf"?
That's sick. All thing considered - that's downright disturbing.


On the subject of bases:
Permanent depends on your definition of "permanent" / how it's applied.

If the US leaves Germany in 10 years - the bases weren't (technically) "permanent" US bases - even if the structures built last a lifetime - if they no longer hold US forces, then how can that be permanent US bases? I'd imagine the same "logic" is being applied to the Iraq bases.

If, eventually, US forces leave those bases in Iraq - then the technical truth is "no permanent bases".... but that's just not the reality ...it's only a technical truth based on a future projection of a long term operational plan...simply put: It's what they hope to be true in some future reality - so they are selling that as "the" truth now.

Current reality is - troops aren't going anywhere, permanent structures that house the US miltary are being built and Iraq is an occupied nation.



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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:39 AM
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16. Cam Rahn Bay...
... was built in Vietnam - during the war - as a temporary base.

We spent billions on the damn thing.

The Russians really enjoyed berthing there after Vietnam won. Finest deep-water port on the coast. Great facilities.

Who's going to park their forces in Balad and gloat when we get pushed out of Iraq?

I vote Iran.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 09:46 AM
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17. They've already poured the concrete.
Those are permanent. Unless we're just throwing our money away, and pouring concrete for nothing.

Sheesh. I guess good Americans don't pay attention.

This administration is going to require a new entry into the dictionary for the word truth.
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pdurod1 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:02 AM
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19. LIE, number uhh I lost count.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:05 AM
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20. Bush appointee speaks with forked tongue
Edited on Sun Mar-12-06 11:07 AM by Jack Rabbit
There are two ways to tell if a neoconservative is lying:
  1. His lips are moving;
  2. or
  3. There is verbage printed under his byline.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 11:18 AM
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21. Pull The Other Leg, Please!
I hate walking with a limp.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 12:53 PM
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22. Khalilzad is funnier than Baghdad Bob
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:51 PM
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23. "Balad will be here, I believe, to the very end"
How long is the very end?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-12-06 01:59 PM
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24. Guanatanamo is not a permanent base either
Yet the US is still on occupied Cuban soil after over a century.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:25 AM
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25. kick
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:25 AM
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26. US vows no permanent bases in Iraq
US ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad said Saturday that his country did not want permanent military bases in Iraq.

"We want Iraq to stand on its own feet, we have no goal of establishing permanent bases here," he said in an interview with Iraq's Ash-Sharqiya television, according to a transcript obtained by AFP.

"Our goal is a working, a workable government, so that we can leave Iraq and let Iraqis handle all their circumstance themselves. That's our goal, and were very serious about this, we mean it," he said.

http://www.financialexpress-bd.com/index3.asp?cnd=3/13/...
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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27. Liars. WTF did they spend all that taxpayer money on building then?
Iraq is getting more of our tax dollars than the poor and elderly in this country.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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28. "Does not want..." Later will be "we have no choice but to build
permanent bases..."

That Hitleresque thing; "we didn't want...it was forced on us..."

Same shit. Different assholes.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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29. "that's our goal...we are serious...we mean it..." righhhht
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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30. Don't we already have them there? n/t
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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31. Tell it to the US Army .....
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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45. Abizaid says U.S. may want to keep bases in Iraq
The United States may want to keep a long-term military presence in Iraq to bolster moderates against extremists in the region and protect the flow of oil, the Army general overseeing U.S. military operations in Iraq said on Tuesday.

"Clearly our long-term vision for a military presence in the region requires a robust counter-terrorist capability," Abizaid said. "No doubt there is a need for some presence in the region over time primarily to help people help themselves through this period of extremists versus moderates."

Abizaid also said the United States and its allies have a vital interest in the oil-rich region.

"Ultimately it comes down to the free flow of goods and resources on which the prosperity of our own nation and everybody else in the world depend," he said.

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=...

Long term or permanent. It's a matter of semantics.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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32. Damn! I just read the exact opposite in these pages 5 minutes ago
Abizaid was quoted as saying we may just need to keep some long-term bases in Iraq.

So, which one of these liars is more of a liar on this particular point?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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33. Define "permanent"...
:(
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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46. The "temporary buildings I went to Jr High in 47 years ago are still being
used. :grr:
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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54. OK, 100 years. For suuuure no longer than 100 years. Unless...
...the situation changes between now and then.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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34. We believe you! because if the bush guys are anything, it's honest! n/t
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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35. Yeah sure...whatever
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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36. They voted for the permanent bases before they voted against them
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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37. Yes, we only built our largest in the world there....for fun!
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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38. Why the f**k should Iraq be any different from any of the other
hundreds of countries we have permanent bases in??? ESPECIALLY IRAQ.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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39. They began building FOURTEEN of them just after the invasion began
Are they going to call them something else, like "long-term temporary" bases?

:headbang:
rocknation
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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40. "no-one could have anticipated permanent military bases"
Edited on Tue Mar-14-06 06:30 PM by arcane1
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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41. Ah so they're setting up bases now.
They've lied about everything else when it comes to Iraq so you know that's exactly what they will do.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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42. "Yeah.... That's the ticket! And I'm married to Morgan Fairchild."
Bwahahahaha!

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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43. That's a pack of unadulterated, baldfaced lies.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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44. we spend millions and billions on bases for what???
Liars 1 Believers 0

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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47. suuuuuuuuuuuure
he'll 'rethink' his statement soon enough. they just won't CALL 'em 'permanent bases'.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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48. So, which is it: Should we stay or should we go?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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49. Funny that Bush won't say it.
nt
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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50. If you believe this, I've got a bridge to sell you. . .
n/t
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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51. won't matter
it may take awhile but eventually the Iraqis WILL kick the Murkans out.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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52. Permanent means forever.
Long term could mean for the next 20 years or when the oil is gone.


"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush (Nov. 2005)
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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53. We intend to rename the country.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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55. HAHAHAHA!!! LMAO!!
Oh man, that is so fucking rich. The PNAC plan specifically calls for permanent bases in Iraq and they are following it to the letter.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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56. That's about as close as these guys have ever gotten
to stating the REAL reason why we're in Iraq.

Here it is (see post #19: "Ultimately it comes down to the free flow of goods and resources on which the prosperity of our own nation and everybody else in the world depend," he said.


Notice, "free flow", "goods and resources"....guess what that is? I'd say they're getting awfully close to the truth.....
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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57. Read about the bases here:
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sheelz Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 02:26 AM
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58. Here is snip:
" The largest base in the country, Ricks tells us, has an American "small-town feel" and is sizable enough to have "neighborhoods," including "KBR-land" (in honor of the Halliburton subsidiary that has done most base-construction work) and the walled-in "CJSOTF" (the Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, so secretive that even the base Army public affairs chief hasn't been inside). There is as well a Subway, a Pizza Hut, a Popeye's, "an ersatz Starbucks," a twenty-four-hour Burger King, two post exchanges where TVs, iPods and the like, convoyed in, can be purchased, four mess halls, a hospital, a speed limit of ten miles per hour, a huge airstrip, 250 aircraft, air-traffic pileups of a sort familiar over Chicago's O'Hare airport and a "miniature golf course, which mimics a battlefield with its baby sandbags, little Jersey barriers, strands of concertina wire and, down at the end of the course, what appears to be a tiny detainee cage." Ricks reports that, of the 20,000 troops living in "air-conditioned containers" (soon to be wired for Internet, cable television and overseas telephone access), "only several hundred have jobs that take them off base." Recently, British reporter Oliver Poole visited the still-under-construction al-Asad Air Base in a stretch of desert in Anbar Province that "increasingly resembles a slice of US suburbia." In addition to the requisite Subway and pizza outlets, this super-base even has a Hertz rent-a-car office. In fact, al-Asad is so large--such bases may cover fifteen to twenty square miles--that it has two bus routes.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-15-06 03:05 AM
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59. I believe them
Edited on Wed Mar-15-06 03:05 AM by jaredh
I mean, when has Bush ever been shown to lie?? :sarcasm:
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-17-06 06:01 PM
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60. Congresswoman Barbara Lee's amendment to budget bill
ahhhh, the House votes overwhelmingly in a voice vote
only to Barbara Lee's amendment that says no
permanent military bases in Iraq....who is anyone
kidding? Can someone explain this weirdness please.
I certainly support Barbara Lee, but isn't this just
some kind of politic smoked mirror?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03...

The House, in approving the spending bill 348-71, also gave anti-war Democrat Rep. Barbara Lee of Oakland a rare victory by accepting her proposal to bar permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq.



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