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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:29 PM
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WP: U.S. Seeks Deadline in Dispute With Iran
Saturday, March 4, 2006; Page A14

NEW YORK, March 3 -- The Bush administration, preparing to take Iran's case to the U.N. Security Council as early as next week, is seeking a 30-day deadline for Tehran to halt its nuclear program and cooperate with international inspectors or face severe diplomatic pressures, according to several senior U.S. and European officials.

But the officials, who discussed the details of the diplomatic strategy on the condition of anonymity, said they expected tough negotiations among the Security Council's 15 members and said much hinges on Russia.
...
Going to the council represents the second time in four years that the Bush administration has tried to persuade the U.N. to pressure a Muslim country accused of hiding a weapons program. Wary of the comparisons to Iraq, where no weapons of mass destruction were found, the White House is hoping a combination of diplomacy, U.N. inspections and negotiations will succeed in pressuring Iran. At the same time, Washington hopes to ease the concerns of allies suspicious of U.S. intentions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:33 PM
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1. maybe someone should bring up the violation the U.S. just did with India
We will sell them nuclear technology, and they do NOT need to have inspections on their weapon systems

Does anyone see the hypocricy?

What do we stand for anyway?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:19 PM
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40. An unbelievable article in the Wall Street Journal...
on Friday of this week. The article said, "Yes, it's true we've been bending and even breaking the rules on non-proliferation to India."

But India's our friend and Iran is not so what's the problem?

I crumpled up the rag after I read that. I'm going to use the WSJ as a liner in the bottom of my Kitty Litter Box.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:35 PM
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2. I thought policy dictated that we don't need the U.N. n/t
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:40 PM
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3. Isn't March 20...the day they start
selling their oil in euro's?...
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-03-06 11:46 PM
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4. I thought this little weasel didn't like timelines?
Fuck you blivet** and your little bolton too!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 08:06 AM
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5. Not getting our way, are we? nt
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:15 PM
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6. US to present Iran with 30-day ultimatum
The United States will present a 30-day ultimatum to the UN Security Council this week, the Washington Post reported Saturday, calling on Iran to cease with its nuclear program.

It was reported however, that the US would not request further economic sanctions on Iran.

Top European officials - including the foreign ministers of France and Germany - publicly described talks Friday in Vienna as failing because of Tehran's refusal to reimpose a freeze on enrichment.

"Unfortunately we were not able to reach an agreement," French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told reporters. He said the EU continues to demand "full and complete suspension" of uranium enrichment and related activities that have fed fears that Iran may be pursuing nuclear arms.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=113939553177...
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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7. Is this the 30-day warning before the next war? n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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8. So what are the Odds of a Military Coup-d'e-tat to stop that Moran from
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 01:54 PM by sam sarrha
attacking Iran.. has DumbAss purged enough liberal generals to prevent it.....??

By giving India, a Blood enemy of Pakistan, Bomb making Reactors, has The pResident Wet Brain Alcoholic Drug Addict Paranoid Sociopath permanently divided the Islamic and western world to the point the End Times start with the upcoming 30 day Ultimatum to Iran to stop doing what we just set up India to do..??
:tinfoilhat: :shrug: :banghead:

You really need to click on the Blue Link in my signature.. it explanes his mantal state..
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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25. Odds very small. Military has been purged, BushPutinist Style
(luck for them it wasn't Stalin/Hitler style...it could easily have been so)

Any general who placed Country above Party is gone or will be going soon. Such attitudes are traitorous.

No, the Busheviks are following Mein Kampf/PNAC and the general principles of Totalitarianism to ensure One-Party State forever and ever.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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9. Let's see, we're going to give India
bigger and better nukes who frequently rumbles with its neighbor Pakistan, but we are going to go to war with Iran for being 10 years away from war nukes. These people are insane.
IMPEACH BUSH AND SEND THEM ALL TO THE HAGUE
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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23. IIRC, the deal with India wasn' t about nuclear weapons
but civilian nuclear power to help that country overcome its energy problems.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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28. oh right...just what Iran says
I hate nuclear power of any kind. The nuclear power of the sun should be enough for us. I lived in a solar powered house for several years. The peace was incredible...no humming of motors, crackle of power lines. I wonder if this (nuclear power) is the fire that Icarus stole that caused him to be sentenced to have his liver pecked out every night for eternity.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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31. It was quite unpalatable at first
But I finally came to the conclusion that as things presently stand (and barring some major breakthrough in the next few years), nuclear power will be the major source of power in the future. We're running out of oil, solar is a great idea but the cost per watt is too high and it has very low power density, coal is very harmful to the environment. Nuclear power, with adequate safeguards and regulations is actually eco friendly (no emissions / Greenhouse gas problems)
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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32. tell that to the people in Chicago whose
groundwater is contaminated. Maybe just maybe those auto companies should dust off those patents they bought up so that they wouldn't be challenged to come up with a better car.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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36. They want the technology to reprocess plutonium
and build more nuclear weapons - and ChimpCo will give it to them...
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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10. this is how it begins....one month of jaw-dropping dishonesty...
Sound and fury signifying nothing .... but war....because like Iraq, the decision's already been made...now all it takes is the sales job. with his popularity tanking it might be a bit harder sell than Iraq was....
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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11. Thirty days, or WHAT??????
We bomb the crap out of them?

We wag our finger and say "naughty, naughty?"

The Russkies will make hay out of this issue:

...Moscow could benefit diplomatically and economically if Iran accepts its plan to move its enrichment program to Russia - except for activities defined as research and development that all sides agree on under any compromise plan.

One of the diplomats - who demanded anonymity in exchange for divulging the substance of the confidential discussion - said the impetus came from Moscow, which has taken the lead in talking to Iran since talks with the Europeans collapsed late last year.

He said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was to float the compromise plan in Washington on Monday and Tuesday to gauge American reaction.

Consensus on such a compromise by the Russians, Europeans and Iranians could leave the Americans with two unpalatable choices.

If Washington accepts the plan, it essentially leaves Iran in a position to develop technology that it could use to make fissile uranium for warheads.

If it refuses, it again could face diplomatic near-isolation on what to do about Iran after months of building the kind of international consensus that last month led the International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-nation board to put the UN Security Council on alert about Iran's suspect nuclear program.

By depriving the Iranians of domestic control of enrichment, the Russian plan - backed by most in the international community including the US and the Europeans - is meant to eliminate the danger that Tehran might misuse it to make the fissile core of nuclear warheads....


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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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12. My guess is they will have to listen to Condi preach to them. I would
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 01:38 PM by VegasWolf
rather be bombed than have to listen to that bitch.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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13. Why else would * be making the rounds to other countries now???
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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14. so then the u.s. does a surgical air strike on iran
then what?

since this admin keeps saying they don't care what anybody thinks -- they're kinda boxed in aren't they?

bushco has aggression up it's sleeve and not one other damn thing.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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16. There is no such thing as a 'surgical strike'.
This is the bullshit framing they use to cover the fact that we will be conducting terrorist bombing of Iran, and that innocent Iranians will be killed as a result.

But your other question, 'then what', is a good question. Assume that our bombing of Iran fails to end their nuclear program. What is our next move? My guess is that we are hoping that the Iranians, in response, will retaliate against either Israel, by lobbing a missile or two at Dimona, or against oil tankers in the gulf. We can then use their retaliation to attack Iran on a broader front, going after their military assets in general. This will of course quickly spiral out of control, resulting in a broader regional conflict. I assume that is our immediate goal here.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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24. It's chillingly simple, isn't it?
:-(
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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27. Unfortunately yes.
And as usual I just feel fucking helpless and powerless to do anything at all about it. Oh I will go off and piss and moan (into the wind) to everyone I know, and to total strangers if given the opportunity, but I just feel like we are totally ineffective. We don't even have an opposition party that will stand up and say NO.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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30. of course there is no ''surgical'' strike.
the problem with your scenario -- mostly though i think that is what they thought at one time -- is that th whole region will go up in flames.

and they won't be able to secure their precious oil.

and that is where i think their hands are tied.

they will have angry iraqis at their backs and angry iranians at their fronts.

egypt will come unglued.

jordan will get rid of their prowestern king perhaps -- but they will certainly riot.

many more saudis will be persuaded to radicalism -- if for no other reason than it's spreading.

they are simply not getting the control they thought they were going to.

now -- will that stop them from doing something monumentally stoopid -- well it hasn't yet.


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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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15. I think I have "seen this part of the show before." LOL! nt
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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17. Iraq Redux
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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18. How is it that we keep threatening a nation that has done nothing
to us, and hasn't broken any international treaties? Man oh man!
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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19. I think the neocon's have finally woken up and their wet dreams have left
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 01:55 PM by VegasWolf
a real mess on the bed sheets. Nothing more. Other than the death and dismemberment of Americans and Iraqis, the total squandering of America's economy, and the outsourcing of America's remaining jobs to benefit the wealthy.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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20. OK, so what lies at the end of 30 days?
If no sanctions then..
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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21. bombing their nuke facilities
the chimp already stated last summer he would do it. Then WWIII.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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34. Ga$ at $15.48 /per gal. - eom
Impeach, Indict, Imprison.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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22. I can't stand it anymore. I want off.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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26. And there are those who say this has nothing to do with the bourse.
Hrm... :eyes:

PB
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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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29. And if you believe that
I've got this bridge I'd like to sell you.


Peace

freefall
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:24 PM
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38. The 30 days will expire about 2 weeks after the bourse begins.
Isn't the bourse scheduled for around March 23rd?
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:25 PM
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41. I just read in the 'Editorials' forum
that Norway is planning to join in the Iranian Euro-bourse at the end of March.

The article calls it "Scandarabia" which is a new cooperation between Norway and the Arab world.

Personally, I find it hard to believe. I know that most oil producers would like to get out of Petrodollars. As long as the dollar goes down in value, any foreign country with dollar holdings keeps losing money.

But Norway wouldn't antagonize Big Daddy.....would they?
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 05:58 PM
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42. Why not?
Or do we have plans for invading Norway the way we have plans for invading Holland?
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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33. Next step = miltary action
:nuke: :eyes:
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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35. Connecting the dots? I hope not.
Edited on Sat Mar-04-06 04:01 PM by IsItJustMe
All top Israeli officials have pronounced the end of March, 2006, as the deadline for launching a military assault on Iran.... The end of March date also coincides with the IAEA report to the UN on Iran's nuclear energy program.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArti...
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:16 PM
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37. "a 30-day ultimatum to the UN Security Council"
???????

erm, they are threatening the UN now ? what kind of utter madness is that? and with WHAT? a stern talking to?

seriously, this makes no sense.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 04:33 PM
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39. erm, 'serious consequences' is the phrase they are looking for i bet.
surely they aren't going to be so blatant as to play the EXACT same game as they did with iraq? would the security council be stupid enough to let 'em get away with the same shit TWICE? i'd like to think they won't.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 07:08 PM
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43. How can the UN Security Council stop Bush**?
They couldn't stop him from invading Iraq, even without a resolution. He just changed the rules and forged his own coalition. What Dimson wants he gets.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-04-06 11:44 PM
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44. Its all about Political Illusions -- Propaganda, Power, Profits
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