Bombs kill ten Iraqis, including three children (US convoy hit Fallujah)

[leftchick]

and at the end of the article...

<snip>

In the southern city of Najaf, two civilians were killed and another three wounded in a joint Iraqi-US military operation against suspected insurgents Wednesday.

A source at the office of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa that US and Iraqi forces raided Khan al-Nis township and that US forces opened fire at a speeding car killing two and injuring three of its passengers.

In Fallujah, a car bomb targeting US and Iraqi troops detonated killing a civilian bystander and destroying one US vehicle. Witnesses said there were casualties among the US troops but the US military was not available for comment on the incident.

In another development, gunmen attacked a convoy of trucks carrying supplies to a US base near Abu Ghraib, west of Baghdad setting two of them on fire. The police said there were no casualties in the fire that engulfed the trucks.


http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1130090.php/Bombs_kill_ten_Iraqis_including_three_children

[genie_weenie]

1. A source at the office of Moqtada al-Sadr?

Aw, come on. Anything associated with Sadr, I classify as dubious at best.

[LynnTheDem]

2. Schoolchildren blown up in Baghdad blast

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2006/February/focusoniraq_February72.xml§ion=focusoniraq

4 schoolkids among 14 dead in Iraq violence
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/national/021506b3_saddam

Baghdad violence leaves 10 dead
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4716700.stm

Iraqi Violence Claims 18 Lives
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0206/303009.html

02/15/06 KUNA: Three Iraqis killed, two wounded in Basra mortar shell explosion
Three Iraqis were killed on Wednesday and two others were wounded in a mortar shell explosion in the area of Shatt Al-Arab, east of Basra.
http://www.kuna.net.kw/Home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=829661

02/15/06 DPA: Car bomb kills Iraqi civilian in Fallujah--U.S. vehicle destroyed
In Fallujah, a car bomb targeting US and Iraqi troops detonated killing a civilian bystander and destroying one US vehicle.
Witnesses said there were casualties among the US troops but the US military was not available for comment on the incident.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1130090.php/Bombs_kill_ten_Iraqis_including_three_children

Busy day of "progress" in Iraq today.

[genie_weenie]

3. What am I to make of these links?

That there is Terrible violence in Iraq? And as in all fucking wars civilians take the brunt?

Killing the civilian populace has ALWAYS been the way to win a war. I never questioned the veracity of violence in Iraq, my issue is with the DUers who seem to accept, as the revealed word from On High, any propaganda which reinforces their belief that the US should not be in Iraq.

Nw, while their conclusion the US should not be in Iraq is correct, I groan everytime I see something like this:

(taken from the parent thread link by leftchick)

A source at the office of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in Najaf told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa that US and Iraqi forces raided Khan al-Nis township and that US forces opened fire at a speeding car killing two and injuring three of its passengers.

Just because this unnamed source said the US shot those people doesn't make it true. I just ask that my fellow DUers use the same skepticism when looking over a internet story from someone like Al-Sadr, that they do when listening to fat-faced Scott McClellan.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Meant to post to OP

Soon as my newsfeed spits out another source for the US shooting of Iraqi civs today, I'll post it for you.

[Barrett808]

7. Healthy skepticism is good, but it's not like this story is unprecedented

In fact, horror stories like this are so common that it's quite reasonable to give the Sadr office the benefit of the doubt.

[genie_weenie]

8. No way!

Sadr office the benefit of the doubt?!?!? That is akin to giving * the benefit of the doubt with regards to all the Terra plots he's foiled.

[Army]

9. Agreed

I think there are enough bad things happening from this administration that it isn't necessary to start quoting terrorists. It just defeats the whole point of the arguement. I really don't think Al Sadr and his ilk are looking to restore peace and harmony if we leave.

[Karenina]

10. Well then, let me quote the Iraqis from my hood

"The Americans will shoot ANYTHING THAT MOVES. They don't care."

Oh, and BTW, they're just regular decent people looking on from afar as their relatives are being terrorized, beaten and blown to shit by Americans and the forces NEGROPONTE has set loose.

[Army]

11. Tell The Iraqis in your Hood This

The people who will shoot anything that moves are the Iraqi Police and Iraqi Army. The apparent method of recruiting seems to be "Here's $5 and an AK...Want to be a cop?"

[Karenina]

14. NEGROPONTE. BILLION$ MISSING

Stoned or just stupid? :shrug:

[genie_weenie]

16. neither

Balded face theft (sorry for the slur to all the Male & Female DUers without facial hair)

[Karenina]

18. Tag-team!!!

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[genie_weenie]

15. BTW, Army are you in country right now?

You sound rather Po'ed at the Regular IA right now...

[Barrett808]

12. Let me just suggest that claiming US forces fired on a civilian vehicle...

...is entirely plausible, regardless of the source, given the mountains of evidence we have of similar incidents.

On the other hand, to claim that al Q'aida shoe bombers were planning to converge on an airline cockpit in 2002, and that the plans were intercepted by illegal domestic spying, that's just...crazy.

So, given the Bush mafia's long history of mendacity, I'm afraid I have to hold Bu$hCo to a much higher standard of evidence than Moqtada, insofar as these kinds of events are concerned. Now, if Moqtada claimed that Syria has WMD and he has the expatriates to prove it, then we'd be in similar realms of skepticism.

[genie_weenie]

13. That's fair.

My whole point is just *at least* look at who the source is and apply some critical thinking to the claim. IF a guy named Chalabi told me he knew about a bunch of GeorgeWMDs I'd be hesitant...

And I've seen some civilian deaths at checkpoints.

[Barrett808]

17. I think we're on the same page

Applying critical thinking skills is always recommended practice.

Have you personally seen civilian deaths at checkponts? By which I mean, are you currently stationed in Iraq? If you are, please stay safe.

[genie_weenie]

19. Thank the FSM, I am out of the Corps!

I was in Ramadi for OIF 2.5 Iraq, with an occasional trip down the murderous MSRs and I unfortunately saw innocents killed in Iraq.

Thanks for the thoughts I'll forward them on to the guys in my unit who are over there yet *again*.

[Barrett808]

20. Wow, you were in the thick of it -- Please send your friends my best

Glad you got out!

[leftchick]

6. progress for the neofreaks

for them it is all part of the plan.

[INDIA]

5. NO!

Americans are the REAL Terrorists!!!:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: