Rice authorized National Security Agency to spy on UN Security Council

[sweetm2475]

From Raw Story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/After_domestic_spying_reports_U.S._spying_1227.html

Jason Leopold

President Bush and other top officials in his administration used the National Security Agency to secretly wiretap the home and office telephones and monitored private email accounts of members of the United Nations Security Council in early 2003 to determine how foreign delegates would vote on a U.N. resolution that paved the war for the U.S.-led war in Iraq, NSA documents show.

Two former NSA officials familiar with the agency's campaign to spy on U.N. members say then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice authorized the plan at the request of President Bush, who wanted to know how delegates were going to vote. Rice did not immediately return a call for comment.

The former officials said Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld also participated in discussions about the plan, which involved "stepping up" efforts to eavesdrop on diplomats.

A spokeswoman at the White House who refused to give her name also would not comment, and pointed to a March 3, 2003 press briefing by former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer when questions about U.N. spying were first raised.

For entire story go to:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/After_domestic_spying_reports_U.S._spying_1227.html

[unblock]

1. these guys are the keystone kops of spying.

spying on the un, and on foreign diplomats in general, is not cool but, let's face it, a reality of diplomatic life. every diplomat knows this and expects it. this is not in the same league at all as spying on america citizens.

but fer cryin' out loud, be discreet about it! don't go blabbing to the media about it!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Excuse me, but why do you think this story was leaked? Who do you....

...think was "blabbing" to the media about it?

[unblock]

13. "two former nsa officials" according to the article

not clear to me whether they're pissed at shrub and trying to make them look bad by adding more spying to the list or if they're shrub apologists trying to confuse the spying issue by leaking this unseemly but less objectionable (and certainly less illegal) form of spying.

:shrug:

[superconnected]

49. well bush did spend his first 3 years in office fighting with them.

He wanted to privatize the cia too - most likely giving the contract to carlyle.

The Carlyle Group is handling US back ground and security checks as well as airline security right now, and owns Qintetig - the British intelligence agency(Blair privatized and gave to them against great Britians wishes - ie. their miltiary)

[Barrett808]

14. Yes, I've suspected the revenge of the CIA for awhile now

Under that theory, we should expect wave afer wave of damning leaks, until the Bush mobsters who severely compromised the integrity of the Agency are brought down.

[sweetm2475]

17. well then, leak away......

Under this administration, it's the only way for Americans to even have a clue about what is going on in their own government, anyway. So if the CIA has a bone to pick, then leak away CIA!!!!!!!!!! Or in the words of the Shrub "Bring em' on"!!!

[Barrett808]

31. Word. And welcome to DU, Sweet!

:hi:

[sweetm2475]

33. thanks

:headbang:

[YourBrother]

44. HAHAHAHA

you used the words "CIA" and "integrity" in the same sentence!

nice one, i couldn't have done it! :D

lets see if "integrity" stands the test of time when you do a search on "michael Meiring" an agent who described himself as working for the CIA ... but insisted on telling people it stood for "Christ In Action"

if you google his name it might open your eyes a little

if that doesnt do it for ya, do a search for "operation northwoods"

peace

[Jackpine Radical]

53. These are strange times.

I find it very weird to find myself sometimes "unter eine Decke steckt," a Fellow Traveler with the CIA--or at least some part of the CIA. Yet that seems to be the way it often shakes out, what with Bush trying to muzzle & control them (think Porter Goss), & the Company fighting back. I pray for a return to normal times so I can just go back to hating the spooks without having to worry about what they're trying to slip through to whom via Walter Pincus.

And BTW--I'll see your Northwoods & raise you a Salvador Allende and a Norodom Sihanouk--although I have to admit Northwoods is hard to beat for sheer effrontery.

[YourBrother]

54. Touche'

nice to hear from such an enlightened individual :D

all the best to you and yours this holidays bro, whichever one you celebrate:D

peace :o)

[Jackpine Radical]

69. Welcome to DU. I think you'll find lots of people around here

know about Northwoods & similar esoterica. Smedley Butler, for example, is a local folk hero.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

73. Operation Northwoods had nothing to do with the CIA. That was a......

...Pentagon Joint Chiefs of Staff op-plan all the way.

As to your issue with the CIA and why they would be going to war against the NeoCons, perhaps you remember Valerie Plame? Or maybe you remember Cheney visiting the CIA and twisting arms to produce the intelligence against Iraq that the NeoCons wanted as justification to attack Iraq? I bet if you put your mind to it you might even remember that the NeoCons have replaced the top leadership of the CIA with their own stooges.

In an "integrity" contest between the CIA and the NeoCons, the CIA wins, hands-down.

[saigon68]

36. KINDASLEEZY GETS EVEN

WITH THE (insert racial epithet here) HEADS

[MaineDem]

2. WTF!!!!!

I am fuming right now!

[maddezmom]

3. sweetm2475, please edit your post

Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

Thanks in advance.

[sweetm2475]

6. Done. Sorry About That

:shrug:

[maddezmom]

7. thanks

no problem :)

[xiamiam]

4. should do something about the propaganda that rice is a rising star..

cant stand that nonsense...since anyone with half a brain can see that, she like her alien brother dick are not human..have not a heart...are evil..from some alien planet..probably the only evil planet in the universe..easy to see the similarity...same sneer...same wicked angry hateful twisted mouth....good...now we can forget that rising star bullshit..

[0007]

29. A good rice vinegar is indeed vintage.......

Much like sourness of speech or mood and at times an illustrated ill temper. Especially when Condi's integrity is impugned.

[Pachamama]

30. Rice a "rising star"? Bwahahahaha...more like floating shit that keeps

rising to the surface every time they try to push it down...

I read the same crap you did in the local paper in Eugene, OR yesterday (taken off the wire)...it talked about her modeling for Vogue and being such a fashionista and how popular she is....I got sick and laughed pretty darn hard thinking about what a nice propaganda fluff piece that was that they paid someone to write....

I have one thing to say about Condi Rice....honey, you aint' no Oprah, and you will never be chosen as the POTUS or Vice POTUS....forget about it.....The closest you will be to the Office of the POTUS after 2008 is probably in the same prison system as Bush and the rest of the crew when they are indicted or that you'll be running away with your husband seeking asylum in some rogue nation that would take you...

[YourBrother]

56. hmmmm

maybe they could all run to Israel? Just a thought

on a lighter note, i wouldn't touch her with yours mate

and as for letting my todger anywhere near those tombstones/gnashers ... leave it out!

I have it under good authority she is being headhunted at the moment ... by ivory traders! :rofl:

peace

[cosmicdot]

43. indeed. just yesterday AP's Anne Gearan scribed 'Rice's image

shines amid White House clouds' ...

at least, the Buffalo News put the propaganda advanced-marketing PR press release in Editorials .. a DUer noted that the Seattle PI put it at the back of Section A ... they all dug out a somewhat not-too-evil looking Kindasleazy photo ...

I see MSNBC failed to even mention who penned it for AP (Anne Gearan), and published it under "Politics" ...

If the resignation/removal dominoes fall, I don't want of any of their illegitimate line of succession culture of corruption and treason.

in case anyone missed it - both in the Editorials Forum

***Warning ... serious :puke: alert***

"Condoleezza Rice’s star rising"
"Secretary of state most popular member of Bush administration...."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x181023

Rice's image shines amid White House clouds
Condoleezza Rice has shed image as hawkish "warrior princess."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=181163&mesg_id=181163

[Tom Joad]

5. Where is the outrage? One thing to say they are spying on

those who are supposedly calling Al Queda people, 'nother thing to say you are spying on the United Nation delegates. It would seem to be indefensible. However, in a way this is old news, as you can see by this:

pointed to a March 3, 2003 press briefing by former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer when questions about U.N. spying were first raised.

"As a matter of long-standing policy, the administration never comments on anything involving any people involved in intelligence," Fleischer said. "So I'm not saying yes and I'm not saying no."

Where is the outrage?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. And not just on their offices, but on their home phones and private email.

[Supersedeas]

37. Expect media silence and fluff from the Corporate "News" outlets

[cal04]

8. US takes bugging at the UN to 'new levels'(Condi mentioned in2003)

US takes bugging at the UN to 'new levels'
Mar 5, 2003

The United States came under fire on Monday over news reports that key United Nations diplomats in the Security Council were under high-intensity surveillance by US intelligence agencies. According to a report in the British Observer newspaper, the US is conducting a secret "dirty tricks" campaign against diplomats from countries that have remained non-committal on how they will vote on a proposed US-British resolution legitimizing a war on Iraq. The campaign has been directed mostly at delegates from six non-permanent members in the Security Council: Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Mexico, Guinea and Pakistan.

"We knew all along that senior UN officials and diplomats were under constant surveillance," Jim Paul of the New York-based Global Policy Forum, told Inter Press Service. "But the existing surveillance has raised bugging to new levels," he added.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer refused to offer any comments on the story at a news briefing in Washington. The newspaper quoted a memo from the National Security Agency (NSA) in Washington advising senior US intelligence officials to ferret out information not only on how delegates would vote on a second resolution but to seek out "negotiating positions" and "alliances" among Security Council members. The plan includes interception of email messages and bugging home and office telephones of diplomats whose countries are represented in the Security Council. "The existence of the surveillance operation, understood to have been requested by President George W Bush's National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, is deeply embarrassing to the Americans in the middle of their efforts to win over the undecided delegations," the Observer noted.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC05Ak01.html

[Wordie]

11. Interesting how this report tends to lend credence to...

this earlier thread:

Gov. Bill Richardson fears his calls monitored by NSA for Bolton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5692549

[Selteri]

12. Impeach him now

That's just going way too far and destroyed a lot of American Diplomacy now.

[Demeter]

15. Got Her! Cool!

I knew we could find a way to have Kindasleazy join her husband in the Hague. Maybe adjoining cells? I'm sure the UN could be that accommodating.

[OKNancy]

16. It's not like this is breaking news or anything

This is common knowledge for avid LBN readers.

[xiamiam]

46. isnt tying condi to it news?...whatever, im glad her name is on this.nt

[Gregorian]

18. We knew they were spying on the UN.

It seems the only new information here is that they had the NSA do the spying.

If it didn't clobber the administration then, then I don't see how this will damage them now.

Incredible.

[yostsghost]

19. HELP!!!!!!

I am hearing from Conservative friends that both Carter and Clinton used the same "techiques" for spying as Bush is now. They keep sighting the Aldridge case for Clinton and supossed statemnts from a Bell in Carters cabinet. Can someone out there provide me a link to counter this, or at leat point me in the right direction.

Peace

[Gregorian]

21. There was a good one in General Discussion.

Good to have you here, by the way!

I saw a very complete argument about this. If I recall, the gist was that Clinton obtained the warrants, whereas Bush did not. But do not take my word for that. I'm notoriously brainless. There's just too damn much to try and keep up with.

You can search using the search function. I'll give it a try too.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

22. Check out the video in this link

It was posted in GD a few days ago.
Welcome to DU! :hi:

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/mitchellclintoncartersmackdowndec2105.wmv

[Rainscents]

24. Here is the link... You can debunk the right wing nuts!

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/21/8157/6595

[sweetm2475]

25. ThinkProgress did a pretty good job last week.....

Here's the link:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/drudge-fact-check/

[Pachamama]

26. Here is some good debunking of the garbage spewed by the GOP:

In addition to debunking the myth about Carter and Clinton used the same techniques for spying and authorizing spying without warrants on US Citizens, you'll find some other debunking of the crap the Right Wing Presstitutes and GOP operatives are spewing to counter the truth:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512240002

[Gregorian]

28. Here's one link to the GD discussion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5678828

[TommyO]

35. mediamatters.org has a lot of good info

about this:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200512240003

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

59. We knew the NSA was involved

The memo Katherine Gunn leaked came from Frank Koza - "chief of staff of the NSA's Regional Targets section".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1125854,00.html

[Gregorian]

74. Thanks.

We live in an anechoic chamber, it appears.

I remember that article. And many more.

[Xenotime]

20. This is becoming a dictatorship...

These people are out of control.

[Dr Fate]

23. They spied on Kerry and are spying on Pat Fitzgerald, the DNC...

...various (all?) DEMs in congress and anyone else who threatens them.

[karynnj]

50. I know there was conjecture on them spying on Kerry, but have

they admitted it. (Gee, he would then have the distinction of being spied on by Nixon and W - and who knows in between. Pretty pathetic with all this spying they found NOTHING and had to make stuff up.)

[Dr Fate]

52. It's not conjecture- it is a fact.

They spied on Kerry and continue to spy on percieved ememies.

You suggest that they are doing it soley for blackmail purposes- dont forget- they also spied on Kerry to find out what his "next move" was.

They used/usw it for strategy purposes as well as for potential black-mailing.

[karynnj]

60. Sorry Dr. Fate, I was seriously just asking as I hadn't

heard that they were spying on Kerry. You are correct that knowing his plans and strategy is far more likely and definitely to their advantage. If this is true, it is definityly sickening.

[Dr Fate]

71. No need to apologize- I was just being grumpy. n/t

n/t

[iconoclastNYC]

27. How much you want this was leaked from the WH

One gets the feeling that the WH is selectivly leaking these things.

Thier base's reaction : "Oh well, spying on the UN is fine by me."

[Seabiscuit]

32. Boy, ya really nabbed yourself a bunch a terra-ists there, Georgie!

Fucking fascist warmongering felonious pig.

[Disturbed]

34. The Neo Fascists don't need no..

stinkin' warrents.

[VaYallaDawg]

38. Maybe she'll be re-designated Secy. of Espionage?

[fooj]

39. IMHO, we need to get up off our asses and get out into the streets!

Enough is enough already!

Peace.

[Maine-ah]

40. here's the yahoo link- vote it up folks!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20051227/cm_huffpost/012927;_ylt=A0SOwmO0ibFD5yUBEw_9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

[cal04]

41. Apparently the only media that didn't mention NSA was ours

the media coverage has made virtually no mention of the fact that the Bush administration used the NSA to spy on U.N. diplomats in New York before the invasion of

Last Sunday's revelation, published in The Observer, of a 'top secret' US memo, supposedly showing that the NSA has eavesdropped on members of the UN Security Council in recent weeks for insights into their negotiating positions on Iraq, is shocking. But perhaps not for the reasons that might first come to mind.

While the US administration has refused to confirm or deny the authenticity of the memo, it is a sad truth that spying at the United Nations, both at the headquarters and among its various agencies and field missions is as old as the UN itself. The real significance of this story is what this rare public disclosure of such aggressive dipomatic tactics, whether seen as fair or foul, tells us about the atmosphere at the United Nations at a time when the world's diplomats stand starkly divided over the prospect of war on Iraq.

First, the story is clearly embarrassing for the US Administration coming as it does at a crucial moment in its joint efforts with the British Government to secure a second resolution in the Security Council. It will be seen by detractors as heavy-handed and confirm deep-rooted suspicions among many Europeans and others about the direction of US foreign policy under the Bush Administration. It has also upset some of the key undecided UN delegations in the current debate. The Chileans in particular have been vocal about this.

However, the media maelstrom the memo has set off as far away as Sydney and Moscow - but significantly not in Washington - is indicative of a wider malaise in the transatlantic arms control and foreign policy relationship. It says a great deal about the current differences between Bush and Blair's position on Iraq and that of France, Germany and Russia, and why these erstwhile allies have been unable to find a compromise position in Iraq.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,910350,00.html

[Supersedeas]

45. Do you expect Katie Corporate Lipstick Couric to discuss this?

[symbolman]

42. This is really old news

everyone knew this.. what is Raw Story doing now, just going back in time and grabbing from the grab bag of crap these guys have pulled and then sticking a piece of the puzzle up one story at a time and calling it some kind of SCOOP?

I tossed this into my film "Rove's War" as an afterthought in the section on Rove Tricks, the bugging of the UN folks was INTIMIDATION to force them to vote for Bush's faked war..

What's next from Raw Story, George Washington crosses Delaware, Bush IN THE DARK on it?

[goforit]

47. What I want to know, is how many US citizens have been victims of this.

[The Stranger]

48. I love how that government rag, the New York Times, is all over this.

Its web site has had the bogus Iraqi government "meetings" on its front page for 12 hours now.

[6th Borough]

51. The Guardian reported on this in early 2003.

Rice wasn't implicated by name, but the article included a leaked document referring to the wiretapping at the UN (by the US; of the Security Council; known by our whatchamacallit treaty partners, UK, US, CA, NZ, and the Aussies).

The targets found out before they voted vis-a-vis Iraq (or before at least some of the votes); I remember the outrage (in other countries) at the time.

Just another reason I didn't trust the administration with war-making powers...or propaganda to ease the transition into a state of (more) war.

I need to tune out...life would be so much easier...

[grounded11]

55. Didnt Nixon do something like this????

If you consider the level of access that this situation gave and still gives the GOP, can you imagine how it might be utilized to snoop into the affairs of political candidates? Do you think that the Kerry Edwards duo might have been spied on? If you think about it, what other areas could the administration have abused this illegal power?

[caligirl]

57. Bush got caught, Clinton and Carter followed FISA rules

GOP reliance on 'everybody did it" defense won't fly with most people. Don'
t the fundies preach that?

[Placebo]

58. IMPEACHMENT!

[usregimechange]

61. Mediablast with me.

[usregimechange]

62. kick

[DemonFighterLives]

63. I wouldn't blame the UN if they moved out of the US

Of course the neocons would take that as "Victory". This has got to rile the whole world that no conservations here are secure. Big Brother is listening and watching at all times - I'm even freaking myself out. :freak:

Condi gets her fingers dirty this time, eh.
Leak after leak, come'on Cia, take them down. :applause:

[Democat]

64. Their spying on Kerry is probably why we lost the election

Does anyone doubt that they were spying on Kerry and turning that info over to groups running ads against Kerry?

The Bush admin is out of control!

[Tesla]

65. Isn't that exactly why Nixon was impeached??

[democrank]

66. But....but....

I just heard Condi`s star is rising. Must be some mistake here.

[BamaBecky]

67. WOW - they went hog wild with this

[Vinca]

68. What the hell more is it going to take before this guy is held

accountable? Every day it's something new.

[spanone]

70. About time for the World Court to step up and jail these bastards.

n/t

[greiner3]

72. The Hague court needs to issue a summons;

Or whatever legality they posses!