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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 09:59 PM
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Daschle: Congress Denied Bush War Powers in U.S. (unf***ing believable)
Edited on Thu Dec-22-05 10:07 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
By Barton Gellman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A04

The Bush administration requested, and Congress rejected, war-making authority "in the United States" in negotiations over the joint resolution passed days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to an opinion article by former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) in today's Washington Post.

Daschle's disclosure challenges a central legal argument offered by the White House in defense of the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. It suggests that Congress refused explicitly to grant authority that the Bush administration now asserts is implicit in the resolution.

The Justice Department acknowledged yesterday, in a letter to Congress, that the president's October 2001 eavesdropping order did not comply with "the 'procedures' of" the law that has regulated domestic espionage since 1978. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, established a secret intelligence court and made it a criminal offense to conduct electronic surveillance without a warrant from that court, "except as authorized by statute."

There is one other statutory authority for wiretapping, which covers conventional criminal cases. That law describes itself, along with FISA, as "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

MKJ

edited to add, full props to kpete, who broke this in GD.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:06 PM
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1. Another one bites the dust.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:12 PM
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2. K N R
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:32 PM
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3. Ahh..I wondered when Daschle who as Leader knew what was going on was
going to get his "day in court" and his story in...

The Republicans shit on this man and swiftboated and did everything they could to destroy him...they succeeded, but in the end, he may get the last word.....

:applause:
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:30 PM
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8. They anthraxed him too,
which is probably why he had to leave. It'll all come out in the impeachments and indictments in the next couple of years.
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LiberalPartisan Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:56 AM
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25. Senator Leahy too
The Democrats in Congress had recently become the majority due to Jim Jeffords switching to become Independent. Leahy and Daschle were the two members capable of stopping the PA and they were the only two Anthraxed. Coincidence? I think not.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:09 PM
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48. Great Catch..
Yup... the truth will come out and there is nothing the Fascist Propaganda machine can do to stop it. They will have submit or turn this country into an absolute "Police State".

Time is running out for the latter to come to fruition. I hope they all burn for this sooner than later. They are committing treason everyday against the people they swore to protect. Disgusting traitors.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:41 PM
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4. K&R Revenge is sweet.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:50 PM
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5. What exactly does
war-making authority "in the United States" mean?

I'm having a little difficulty understanding the implications of this statement. Is it as frightening as it sounds?
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 10:56 PM
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6. Yep. Unbelievable. That's why Daschle got the anthrax, right?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:04 PM
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7. It can't be good if the R-controlled Congress nixed it
...and this is the same Congress who gave * his war in Iraq with scarcely any debate whatsoever.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:33 PM
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9. That may mean that even the Republican party has its limits
beyond which it is not willing to go.

It's kind of a sad state of affairs when it's seen as reassuring and surprising that a ruling party isn't ready to confer dictatorial powers on its president, but that's what it's come to in this country it looks like.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:15 AM
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21. Yea, their limit is simply "nothing in it for me". n/t
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 04:16 AM by 54anickel
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:39 PM
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10. Wasn't Daschle the Majority Leader at the time? Or am I mixing up the
timeline? I thought that because of Jeffords becoming an Independent, the Senate was at the time led by Daschle and the Dems....

That is why Wellstone had to go and they Anthraxed these guys...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-22-05 11:44 PM
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11. You got it right. n/t
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:23 AM
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18. You are correct
Thanks for pointing that out...I was mistaken.

O8)
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:06 AM
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42. Sure Does Look Like it *NOW*
So surreal, but everything eventually comes out in the wash.
Thank you Daschle, for finally stepping-up. Must have taken a lot of courage to do so.

Been reading some of the comments about him. He's a brave man w/a mission one can see, now plainly.

We're in for one very interesting ride, 2006. :yoiks:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:49 AM
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16. Pretty sure it means "ending Posse Comitatus".
NT!

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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:07 AM
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28. == US only (potentially) at war with the rest of the world?
not yet (formally) with itself.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:59 AM
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32. Given that he interprets the statute to give him complete dictatorial
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 08:01 AM by Jim__
power already; he couldn't really use the phrase to interpret it more broadly than he already does. It would just strengthen his arguments.

But just the fact that he is seeking this power proves how dangerous he is. I believe most presidents have understood that their power is extremely dangerous. This fool has no idea.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:23 AM
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12. Kick!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:27 AM
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13. This Man is trying to take over our country and our rights
we haven't been free for sometime...
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:35 AM
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14. Bush Inc is an atrocity.
I can't believe that we're going through this. Of all countries...Bush Inc needs to face retribution.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:21 AM
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23. The White House gang has turned into the Mafia, no doubt about it.
They are all guilty of war crimes.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:47 AM
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15. holy freaking crap
thanks for posting this!
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:18 AM
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17. Remember all the admonishments about comparing Bush to Hitler?
Doesn't seem so inappropriate now, does it?
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:50 AM
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27. Oh, believe me, people here will still jump on you for it
And it's unbelievable. It's like we actually have to WAIT until Bush kills 12 million of us before we make the SHOCKING comparison of Bush to a fucking Nazi.

I would have a hard time comparing Bush to Hitler. They are both crazy and evil to the bone, but at least Hitler had an above-room-temperature IQ, appreciated art, and didn't crawfish on his military obligations like our current Coward-in-Chief.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:32 AM
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30. and hitler was what he was
unlike the cheap dime store cowboy imitation we have.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:55 AM
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19. remember when the bushes used to call clinton"slick willie"?boy! don't the
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 02:56 AM by flordehinojos
bushes like to project their own shadowy selves unto other people!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:06 AM
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20. Just goes to show you can't make deals with Republicans
Ever. They have zero integrity and will break deal you try to make.

Yet the Dems are still doing it- and still getting burned. You'd think they'd learn, but instead they just act like battered women and keep going back to their abusers.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:18 AM
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22. Okay. First it proves that Bush knows that he didn't have the authority
he claims. Second, HOLY SHIT THAT'S SCARY!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:09 AM
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43. And Congress has not handcuffed these bozos and imprisoned them.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 04:28 AM
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24. This paragraph may prove interesting in the Iraq war argument -
Daschle wrote that Congress also rejected draft language from the White House that would have authorized the use of force to "deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States," not only against those responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks.


Blows their final "legal" justification for Iraq. No wonder this mal-admin is so insistent on the "bad intelligence" meme.

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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:31 AM
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26. And all along WE were called the un american traitors.
They need to be held accountable, but who will do it?

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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:10 AM
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29. bushco will deny to the day of impeachment;
That's been their battle plan from the start.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 07:56 AM
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31. Kick! nt
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:10 AM
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33. and the noose tightens !
i'm sure folks noticed their sudden annoucement of 'troop withdrawls'? i think that is supposed to make people happy, never mind its the complete opposite of what they've been saying and never mind they were all but calling democrats traitors and defeatests for suggesting the very thing.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:20 AM
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34. K 'n R!
thanks for the post!

I am waiting for the impeachment to begin.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:34 AM
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35. Ditto that!
:kick:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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36. Power We Didn't Grant
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


Just before the Senate acted on this compromise resolution, the White House sought one last change. Literally minutes before the Senate cast its vote, the administration sought to add the words "in the United States and" after "appropriate force" in the agreed-upon text. This last-minute change would have given the president broad authority to exercise expansive powers not just overseas -- where we all understood he wanted authority to act -- but right here in the United States, potentially against American citizens. I could see no justification for Congress to accede to this extraordinary request for additional authority. I refused.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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37. Interesting note from former majority leader Daschle, on passing
Edited on Fri Dec-23-05 12:22 AM by Humor_In_Cuneiform
the original Patriot Act.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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38. No wonder he gave into Bushco on everything after that
The Anthrax attacks were a metaphorical gun to his head
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 11:10 AM
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44. And I'm sure verbal threats were made as well!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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39. but bushco can twist the meaning the meaning of ANYTHING!




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Power We Didn't Grant

By Tom Daschle
Friday, December 23, 2005; A21

In the face of mounting questions about news stories saying that President Bush approved a program to wiretap American citizens without getting warrants, the White House argues that Congress granted it authority for such surveillance in the 2001 legislation authorizing the use of force against al Qaeda. On Tuesday, Vice President Cheney said the president "was granted authority by the Congress to use all means necessary to take on the terrorists, and that's what we've done."

As Senate majority leader at the time, I helped negotiate that law with the White House counsel's office over two harried days. I can state categorically that the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up. I did not and never would have supported giving authority to the president for such wiretaps. I am also confident that the 98 senators who voted in favor of authorization of force against al Qaeda did not believe that they were also voting for warrantless domestic surveillance.

On the evening of Sept. 12, 2001, the White House proposed that Congress authorize the use of military force to "deter and pre-empt any future acts of terrorism or aggression against the United States." Believing the scope of this language was too broad and ill defined, Congress chose instead, on Sept. 14, to authorize "all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons determines planned, authorized, committed or aided" the attacks of Sept. 11. With this language, Congress denied the president the more expansive authority he sought and insisted that his authority be used specifically against Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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40. "the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up"
nough said!!

.....As Senate majority leader at the time, I helped negotiate that law with the White House counsel's office over two harried days. I can state categorically that the subject of warrantless wiretaps of American citizens never came up. I did not and never would have supported giving authority to the president for such wiretaps. I am also confident that the 98 senators who voted in favor of authorization of force against al Qaeda did not believe that they were also voting for warrantless domestic surveillance.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 08:41 AM
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41. and he is calling for an investigation.


.....If the stories in the media over the past week are accurate, the president has exercised authority that I do not believe is granted to him in the Constitution, and that I know is not granted to him in the law that I helped negotiate with his counsel and that Congress approved in the days after Sept. 11. For that reason, the president should explain the specific legal justification for his authorization of these actions, Congress should fully investigate these actions and the president's justification for them, and the administration should cooperate fully with that investigation.

In the meantime, if the president believes the current legal architecture of our country is insufficient for the fight against terrorism, he should propose changes to our laws in the light of day.

That is how a great democracy operates. And that is how this great democracy will defeat
terrorism.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 12:54 PM
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45. Kick! - Recommended
I wonder if they'll use something stronger than anthrax on him this time.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:36 PM
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46. Great thread
I'd just like to add that the meme about how the president is obligated to protect us is bullshit. They're claiming he can do anything if he says it's for our security. Yet the oath he swore to was to uphold and defend the Constitution. Big difference.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 03:03 PM
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47. Trying to remember the first lie,
oh yea, something about "honor and integrity", too bad they did not think to bring a dictionary to the White House.
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