Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

WP: Bush Includes Congress in New Iraq Tack

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:16 AM
Original message
WP: Bush Includes Congress in New Iraq Tack

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121601766.html

Bush Includes Congress in New Iraq Tack

Responding to criticism that he has failed to consult with Congress on Iraq, President Bush has undertaken a series of meetings with lawmakers aimed at shoring up support for his policies with an increasingly restive constituency.

Bush hosted a bipartisan group of senators at the White House yesterday morning that included both Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who had bested the administration on the issue of torture policy the day before, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who has been highly critical of the president's management of the war.

The meeting marked the fourth time since Dec. 8 that Bush and his top advisers have met with lawmakers on Iraq, according to a White House official. The sessions are part of a White House public relations offensive that has included four speeches by the president in two weeks and a series of television interviews aimed at rallying public opinion around Thursday's Iraqi election and beyond. Bush will deliver another address tomorrow night from the Oval Office.

"The reason he's doing it is because public support had dropped tremendously and because Congress . . . has jumped in with both feet on the war on terror," said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.). "I think it is a long overdue, smart approach to what has been questioning by the Congress and the American people and I think it paid dividends."


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:20 AM
Response to Original message
1. Iraq is FUBAR. Fucked up beyond all repair.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FutureChild Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Yup
Even the Chimp knows that.
"Now stop throwing the g..damned paper in my face. It just a g.damned wiretap. "
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:59 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. I was happy to see the fascist bastid got caught spying. ;-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FutureChild Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Blurp
Very drunk so all I say is FUCK BUSH.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. And the only thing we want out of W is to be gone
He's hurt this country so badly. He was a New England brat sent to prep schools and then lived in Texas where he was a flop at everything he tried. He needs to be gone. Big time. The sooner the better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:01 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Yes'm, everything he touches turns to shit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 02:37 AM
Response to Original message
4. Lindsey, dear, George is using you.
Hillary, you will be known by the company you keep.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #4
11. bush uses congress for his own purposes and then pukes on them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:34 AM
Response to Original message
7. won't mean much
if they don't have REAL access to the same info he gets instead of the "white washed" version
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 03:42 AM
Response to Original message
8. Why does Lindsay Graham always sound like he's *'s chief of staff
or *'s Head of Public Relations, whenever Graham comments on HIS president?

He always, but always, has this sort of insider appearance to him when he talks about Shrub in public.

I know, I know. He IS a * insider--being one of *'s republican rubber-stamp congress.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 05:04 AM
Response to Original message
9. Bush to congress
Edited on Sat Dec-17-05 05:05 AM by ribrepin
Get on board you little pissant or I will diebold you.

Where's Lieberman? I want to give him another kiss.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. and i want another big hug from McGain!
Where's Lieberman? I want to give him another kiss.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Good one
I like McGain. How can that man be kissing Bush's ass after what they did to his wife and child in South Carolina in 2000? Pure naked ambition that's the only explanation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
12. So Bush throws Congress a bone and they wag their tails happily
and call it progress...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
13. Does anyone know more about that "memorable exchange" between
Rice and Rummy mentioned in the article? Rummy is obviously ticked that the Iraq Reconstruction has been taken away from him and given to Rice, but there's got to be more to it.

snip>

...Lawmakers could recall no sharp exchanges involving the president, but there was a memorable exchange between Rice and Rumsfeld at a meeting with House Democrats.

After the presentations, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) and others complained that the State Department does not have enough people on the ground to guide reconstruction and political development. Rice said she was trying to do this with volunteers but was bound by labor rules that limit stays to 90 days.

"Everybody in the room was kind of pounding on her," according to a participant. "She said, 'I don't have the authority to order these people over.' Then Rumsfeld said, 'Yes, you do.' Then she said, 'Don, let's not get into this right now.' "




I certainly don't trust what's been going on. It seems they are setting up some sort of good/bad cop scenario where Cheney and Rummy are the bad guys. But how does Rice fit in? She was defending and denying Cheney's stance on torture overseas. Then McCain supposedly has this empty victory in banning torture with W trying to give the appearance of siding with McCain's point of view all along. None of this is passing the smell test, but what are they really up to here? McCain is looking like presidential material, Cheney and Rummy are looking like evil voices in Shrub's head, and Shrub is looking like he's taking over the reins of his administration while defending and legitimizing his pre-emptive war stance.



Here's an interesting point of view on the McCain anti-torture proposition:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/dec2005/tort-d17.shtml

The agreement reached between the Bush White House and Senator John McCain on a measure ostensibly banning torture does nothing of the kind. The official disavowal of “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment” of alleged terrorists held by the US is a ploy to cover up Washington’s past defiance of international laws banning torture and provide a pseudo-legal cover for the continuation of the same methods.

The very fact that the US government is obliged to make a public disavowal of torture is a damning indictment of Washington’s lawless methods. The whole world knows that the US is employing torture and other illegal means, including abductions, secret prisons, imprisonment without charge or legal recourse, in the name of its global “war on terror.”

The agreement reached between the White House and McCain—a right-wing Republican senator and fervent supporter of the war in Iraq—is in the form of an amendment to the appropriations bill for the Department of Defense. The amendment, as agreed on by the White House and the senator, requires that the US military treat those detained by it in accordance with the Army Field Manual. It adds that no prisoner “in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment.”

snip>

The real position of McCain and other congressional backers of his amendment is that such open sanction for torture is politically and militarily inexpedient. McCain is well aware that the US and forces trained and financed by Washington have long engaged in such methods, most notoriously in Latin America and Vietnam. Their basic position can be summed up as: do it, but don’t talk about it.

McCain, a Vietnam-era navy pilot who was held as a prisoner of war in Hanoi, is close to sections of the military brass. He speaks for those in the military, and the ruling elite more generally, who consider the open defense of detainee abuse to be highly damaging to the interests of American imperialism, including the struggle to crush the insurgency in Iraq and prepare future military interventions elsewhere.

more...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 16th 2024, 05:32 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC