32% Favor Bush Impeachment

[Gman]

December 15, 2005--Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.

However, just 30% of Americans would be more likely to vote for a Congressional candidate who promised to work for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Fifty-two percent (52%) would be less likely to vote for such a candidate.

http://rasmussenreports.com/2005/Impeachment.htm

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That's a helluva lot of people that favor impeachment. Hope springs eternal

[Deep13]

1. So basically the dyed in the wool Dems want impeachment and no one else.

Apparently, people are not aware of what is really going on.

[ananda]

2. Or else they're so much a part of..

.. the culture of corruption that they can justify anything.

Sue

[kansasblue]

23. I know people like that, they know shit ain't right but things are

good for them and they just want me to stop talking about it.

They love their tax cuts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Actually they ran a survey not too long ago

where the number was 52% (zogby)

I think Rasmussen is playing against that survey

[pat_k]

45. Nope. Died in the wool are ready to convict. Many more want an investigat

The poll is flawed.

When people hear "Impeachment" they hear "Remove from Office" (i.e., convict/punish).

There are lower threshholds on the route to successful removal. This poll completely fails to identify people who would be out for blood if a formal inquiry pulled together solid evidence of crimes. Or people who think Bush and his co-conspirators probably committed crimes, but they they aren't ready to convict.

So, the poll only tells us something we probably already know -- that the base knows Bush is guilty of high crimes and is ready to kick his criminal butt out of the people's house.

The poll fails to identify the cohorts that would support earlier phases of the process.

[madmark]

53. 12% more are on the fence

[KansDem]

3. I thought the percentage was actually higher in a recent poll...

But that was only if the question were worded with something like (paraphrased) "Should Bush be impeached if he lied about the reasons to invade Iraq." I don't remember the poll but more than half responded with "yes."

Impeachment is possible--just got to get the truth out there! :thumbsup:

But you're right. The number of Americans who want him impeach for whatever reason is impressive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Zogby and it was a clear majority

[Patchuli]

36. I think it was something like 56% who favored

impeachment if he lied.

[Caution]

4. That's almost identical to the hard core bush supporter numbers

Basically those are true partisans.

[tularetom]

5. Give it another few months

of high heating prices, more dead soldiers, loss of good jobs, investigations and indictments, and the numbers will go up. And the good part about it is the wimpy Dems won't have to lift a finger (cause you know they won't).

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

17. And...

As energy traders are predicting, people freezing to death in their homes, from lack of heat caused by inability to keep up with the rise in energy prices. Yes, energy traders are discussing this amongst themselves and they think it is gonna make the country go tilt. "White Hot" was a phrase used by these guys to describe the mood of the nation that they expect.

My source on this is an Ex-UBS/Warburg person who still maintains contacts. A very wealthy and successful Dem.

Remember this: Commodity traders make a living by predicting the future.

[Hekate]

42. I'm genuinely curious: do energy traders want to pull back prices at all?

You know, in order to keep the country from going tilt and possibly kicking out the Bushie-oily-allies in Congress?

Or are they still thinking like Enron, so greedily raking in the dough they have no time to think of anything else?

I guess my question is do they keep the Goose that Lays the Golden Eggs (the energy-using public, us) moderately happy in captivity, or do they kill the Goose in an attempt to get all the gold at once?

I ask this because after Enron and five years of Bush I no longer believe very much in the long-sightedness, much less public-spiritedness, of any of the corporate entities.

What does your energy-trader friend say?

Hekate

[Gregorian]

6. Right here.

[VaYallaDawg]

22. Good one, Gregorian!! Love it.

:rofl:

[Gregorian]

24. I can't believe it hasn't been done.

Thanks. It's payback time.

[EFerrari]

39. Look at the pretty words!

:rofl:

[iconoclastNYC]

7. So we should be quiet about it until we take the HOUSE

Then we can roll out the product - IMPEACHMENT - we need to sell it like the sold the war....highly coordinated...everyone on message....stovepipe the intelligence....maybe even torture some poeople to get fake information (lol)

[onenote]

10. looks pretty suspect to me

I'm sorry, but I find the idea that 16% of repubs would support impeachment of chimpy to be unbelievable. I'd be surprised if the number was 5 percent. On the other hand, if you accept these numbers, the most significant result is the extent to which "unaffiliated" voters will not support candidates who push for impeachment. This is an important statistic, if accurate. It means that if the Democrats make impeachment an issue in the 2006 elections, we will lose independent voters that we need to unseat the repubs. A large segment of the public, it would appear, does not have the stomach for an impeachment circus.

onenote

[rodeodance]

11. so, basically, if a candidate says to impeach bush, they are dead in the

water.

.....However, just 30% of Americans would be more likely to vote for a Congressional candidate who promised to work for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney. Fifty-two percent (52%) would be less likely to vote for such a candidate.

[rodeodance]

12. kick

[0007]

13. I don't want junior impeached. I want junior arrested for

war crimes and taken to the Hague.

[Gregorian]

14. Impeachment is too good for these gangsters.

But it's a start.

I'm not sure the Hague would deal with Bush. I'll wait until those who are more experienced make their comments. But they have some kind of entrance exam that has to be passed. Probably how many people have died. Robert Fisk was claiming 100,000 civilian Iraqis, as a conservative estimate, last night on Democracy Now. I suppose that might meet the minimum requirement for the Hague.

[0007]

19. Miloševic’s defense is he was defending his country from terrorism

junior's defense is exactly the same.

If junior is impeached he can be pardoned of his crimes by his predecessor.

Move over Slobodan Miloševic, ya can't hog the Hague all by yourself. We got a gang of thugs coming in to keep ya company.

[Gman]

21. It could be that the EU investigation into CIA prisons

(link here) can and should also turn up independent evidence of war crimes committed by the Bush cabal. If there is any justice left in the world at all, this evidence will be used to prosecute all the Bush cabal for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Bush will likely never be impeached. But if the rest of the world decides so, Bush and his buds will never be able to travel safely abroad for risk of being arrested and sent to trial.

[0007]

26. Kissinger is kinda restricted

[lumpy]

28. Sure , that is what the other 32%

want to see happen. Impeachment is too good for Bush's war crimes.

[ninkasi]

30. So do I!

Along with Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the rest of the murderous thugs infesting government today.

[melody]

15. The Zogby poll had better methodology

This Rasmussen question was poised to provoke a negative response. It was holding a virtual gun
in the respondents face and saying "do you now and for all time impeach the President?"

Zogby's asked, "If it can be shown that Bush lied..." This doesn't mean the respondents
thought it hadn't already been demonstrated that he lied (clearly, the majority of people
know he has), but that the evidence be accounted for before impeachment, which would be
done anyway. It's basically just calling for a "fair trial".

On the other hand, I think 32% already ready to impeach him, is an astounding percentage.

[stepnw1f]

16. I Am Very Skeptical about Rasmussen's Polling

They seem to favor pugs a bit too to be considered impartial. Zogby had that number higher than 30%.

[petgoat]

20. Rasmussen was the one that recently set Bush's approvals

at 45% with a 5% jump; a week later Zogby set it at 38% with a 3% drop.

Lots of Democrats are still opposing impeachment on grounds that it would
be "stooping to the Republicans' level" and that it would "tear the country
apart".

Pretty soon Republicans will be joining in the call for impeachment in an
attempt to save what's left of their party's credibility. Pat Buchanan has
hinted about it. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Buchanan_suggests_Bush_imp_0829.html

Paul Craig Roberts said in May "The only way to restore America’s reputation would be to
impeach and convict President Bush for intentionally deceiving Congress and the American
people in order to start a war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to
the United States."

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/roberts.cgi/American%20Empire/2005/05/18/A_Reputation_in_Tat

[stepnw1f]

27. Petty is Going after A President That Fooled

around an intern. That was petty.

However, lying to Congress to start an illegal war, attacking Social Security, underfunding much needed social programs all while giving huge tax breaks for the uselessly wealthy, is impeachable. There is more to that list, but I just don't have the time right now.

If they consider that petty, then maybe they should all be replaced too. Fuckers are lowering the bar for criminal behavior......

[allisonthegreat]

29. you got that right n/t

[petgoat]

31. maybe they should all be replaced too.

Everyone who voted for the USA Patriot Act without reading it engaged in extremely
irresponsible behavior that betrayed the trust of their constituents.

Fire the whole bunch of them, and let them reapply for their jobs.

Guess who voted against it:

Conyers, Barbara Lee, Tubbs-Jones, Danny Davis, Maxine Waters, Bobby Rush, Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Cynthia McKinney.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-398

[EFerrari]

40. The best leaders we have are in the CBC.

I really admire those people.

[petgoat]

43. Agreed. Conyers, Waters, Lee, Tubbs-Jones, Jackson-Lee

McKinney, Watt, Scott.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. It was strategery.

Clinton's impeachment (warranted or not) effectively immunized Chimp. It was part of the plan.

[petgoat]

38. A very astute perception. nm

[VegasWolf]

18. Nothing for John Doe to worry about. Gas prices coming down and a few

dead people in Iraq. All is well.

:sarcasm:

[Bucky]

25. In other words, impeachment is a losing position. It would cost us votes.

I'm favorably impressed that the number's that high, but too many people in the shriveled center still recall impeachment being used solely as a political tool for partisan, anti-patriotic reasons. That's a hell of a hump to jump.

[Miss Chybil]

32. Are you kidding me? We've all been gloating over 34 - 38% approval

ratings - meaning the majority of Americans disapprove of the job Bush is doing and at the same time we are supposed to gloat over the fact 32% of the people favor impeachment - meaning the majority of the people disapprove of impeachment? Give me a break. You can't have it both ways. This poll is awful for our side. Or, maybe, you're being sarcastic? I don't get it.

[EVDebs]

33. 68% would settle for 'tar and feathering' ! n/t

[HuffleClaw]

34. it wasn't that long ago that the 'I-word' was verboten in the media

so the fact such polls are even being taken is a step in the right direction, i can see this number only going UP !

[Clara T]

35. Polls mean nothing

until you see how the poll was worded, who was asked, etc....

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are pathological liars and psycopathic mass murderers- no need for a poll to confirm this except for those who have been duped by this manufactured reality we call news.

[EFerrari]

41. Tomorrow, Rasmussen reports

32% of Americans believe they can avoid extraordinary rendition if Bush is impeached. 58% are just following orders. :eyes:

[pat_k]

44. Wish same questions had been asked...

Previous polling found 50% open to Impeachment if he lied. link

When you couple that number with "Bush misled" numbers (57% link) you have much higher numbers than the 30% this poll found.

I wish they had asked comparable questions.

When people hear "Impeachment" they hear "Remove from Office" (i.e., charges proven). Questions need to be designed to get at the people that would be 100% behind an Impeachment effort (process of inquiry, articles, and Senate trial) but have not yet reached the "guilty verdict" threshhold.

Their question is akin to asking "Should X be put in jail?", when you haven't even established how many people think X may have (or probably did) commit a crime.

What I'd really like to see is a poll that identifies:

How many believe crimes MAY have been committed that require investigation (i.e., how many want to see an Impeachment Inquiry).

How many think we have enough information to charge (how many want to see the House bring Articles of Impeachment).

How many believe his crimes demand removal from Office (how many want to see a successful Impeachment in the Senate).

In any case, in light of the current "blackout" on the subject inside the beltway, the numbers supporting -- or open to -- Impeachment are amazing. Toss in a little leadership, and we would see them skyrocket.

[Octafish]

46. Sounds low.

The American people should read more.

DU's a good place to start.

[superconnected]

47. wonder how they'd feel if he messed with an intern.

Murder of iraqis, our soldiers and death of katrina victims, as well as lying to the world, and breaking laws by spying on Americans, apparently aren't impeachable offences.

Are there any republicans who AREN'T hyppocrites? No. Not if they wanted dignity and wholesome values in the white house during the Clinton Administration.

Amazing how they turn a blind eye to real abberations.

bet with them, he could kill people and get away with it. Oh yeah, he is.

[zann725]

48. The only way it could be 32% would be "32% of Repugs"...besides,

don't "Rasmussen" polls lean Right?

[54anickel]

49. Bullshit, seems more like an attempt to quell the rising call for

impeachment. Poll numbers like that would strike fear into both Dems and Repubs that are starting to show a little spine. My guess is that's their aim.

[yellowcanine]

50. Impeaching Bush would be stupid as long as that fat crook Cheney is poised

to move into the Oval Office. We need to impeach Cheney first, then get a moderate Repub appointed as VP and THEN impeach Bush. Kind of like the Nixon-Agnew model.

[MellowOne]

51. I'm with those who say

The key is to take back the congress in '06, then we can get 'em all.

[IA_Seth]

52. Oh yippee, then we can have Pres Cheney! n/t

[Amonester]

55. Fitzmas' gonna be around next week...

Joyeux Noel, GCY!

:evilgrin:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

54. What was the percentage

of people who thought Clinton should be impeached?

[flaminbats]

56. This poll only has a 1% margin of error!!

wow, an almost flawless work of art..:eyes:

[allisonthegreat]

57. the only bad thing is ...Cheney..

Impeachment would definitely be an option but then we would have to deal with the Cheney factor...To bad we couldn't just clean house...

[twaddler01]

58. Too small

that number should be much, much larger! :mad:

[EndElectoral]

59. I'm for it and I wasn't even polled.