Ohio Senate Requires ID For Voters

[Algorem]

http://www.wtov9.com/news/5530885/detail.html

Local Democrat Senator Votes Against Change

POSTED: 12:08 a.m. EST December 14, 2005

COLUMBUS, OH -- A local lawmaker says it's easier to vote in Iraq than it is in Ohio now that

the state Senate has passed sweeping elections changes...

The state House is expected to approve the Senate version of the bill Wednesday

Governor Bob Taft has said he would sign it.



OH Senate Passes Bill Making Sweeping Elections Changes

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2005/local/12/13/oh_elections.html

First Posted: 12/13/2005 10:05:12 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Senate Republicans passed a bill on Tuesday that makes sweeping election changes after inserting slight concessions to opponents who consider the legislation an attack on voters' rights.

The concessions got little notice from the opponents.

The 21-11 vote was along party lines, with Republican Tim Grendell joining Democrats against the bill.

Backers say the changes will curtail election fraud, but opponents say the moves are too drastic for what little fraud has occurred...



Changes the Senate made in elections bill

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-21/1134520750113970.xml&storylist=cleveland

12/13/2005, 7:33 p.m. ET
The Associated Press

(AP) — ...

_Require the secretary of state to educate voters about new requirements to bring a photo identification, utility bill or other form of approved ID to the polls to be able to vote.

• Allow voters' current driver's licenses to be allowed as identification even if a person's address was different than the one on the license.

• Eliminate a requirement that voters must cast provisional ballots if they moved within the same precinct before Election Day but the board of elections wasn't aware of the change.

_Clarify that voters who forget to bring ID can still receive provisional ballots if they supply the last four digits of their Social Security numbers. The ballots will be counted if the numbers check out....

Republican protester slams election changes passed by Senate

http://www.cleveland.com/newsflash/cleveland/index.ssf?/base/news-21/1134520453106650.xml&storylist=cleveland

12/14/2005, 12:45 a.m. ET
By JOHN McCARTHY
The Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Fewer than a dozen protesters braved the cold outside the Statehouse to criticize election changes that Senate Republicans were pushing through the chamber inside.

Andrew Stephenson stood out. He's a theology student — and a Republican.

"A lot of the people who are going to be affected by this are the homeless and the poor," the 23-year-old student at Methodist Theological School in Delaware said. "As a Republican, I can see the injustice here."

The Senate Republicans made slight concessions to opponents who consider the legislation an attack on voters' rights. The concessions got little notice from the opponents. The 21-11 vote Tuesday was along party lines, with Republican Tim Grendell joining Democrats against the bill. Backers say the changes will curtail election fraud, but opponents say the moves are too drastic for what little fraud has occurred...

[MercutioATC]

1. I live in Ohio and I don't have a problem with this. HOWEVER:

In addition to passports and driver's licenses, there should be an Ohio Voter Card which is provided FREE to any valid voter who requests one. Getting these cards should be a quick and easy process and the state should conduct voter drives at multiple sites.

It seems to me that providing identification before voting would do much to prevent certain types of fraud, but I understand the concern that it could make it more difficult for some to vote. My answer is to make the cards as easy as possible to get.

[loyalsister]

2. This is terrible!!!

This is going to happen in Missouri, and it will suppress homeless and disabled voting.
Your idea about a voting card is pretty good, but incredibly expensive!!!
I don't see any state or county willing to fund that.
So, thanks for getting on board another Republican driven voter suppression.

[MercutioATC]

3. So voter fraud is a better option?

If the homeless and disabled won't apply for a voting card, what makes you think they'll travel to the polls to vote? It's not "supression" to ensure that the voter is actually who they say they are.

[Bacchus39]

4. agreed, I like the SS# for provisional ballots

there are a variety of ways people can confirm their identity and this is just another means of doing so.

[stickdog]

50. How about first registering and then signing in to a polling book?

I'm wondering exactly what is wrong with this tried and true technique?

[Redstone]

5. Bravo! Thanks for injecting a dose of reason and logic.

Redstone

[stickdog]

51. Yes. Making it harder to vote is logical and reasonable.

Jim Crow thanks you for your support.

[mod mom]

24. There were a total of 4, that's right f-o-u-r! documented cases of voter

fraud in Ohio during the '04 election. Compare that with the tens of thousands of citizens in Ohio who incurred problems. Read the bill, educte yourself. This bill is BAD for democracy!

[MercutioATC]

33. I'm not arguing the overall merits of the bill, just the ID issue.

[stickdog]

52. Suppose someone owes the DMV money and therefore can't renew.

Or suppose that someone is old or disabled and has no use for a drivers license.

Do you really want to take away these folks' voting rights? On what basis?

[loyalsister]

26. Severely disabled

who are basically shut in, no need to drive, haven't driven in years don't bother to get state I.D. cards many times. They also vote absentee from home.
The expense to go to their house to take photographs for them to vote would be ridiculous.

[MercutioATC]

34. There are issues that must be resolved, yes.

I don't think that invalidates the basic premise that we should be sure that the person who casts the vote is actually who they say they are.

[stickdog]

53. So you think it's worth taking away the voting rights of good

Ohio citizens many of whom have voted at the same polling location signing in with the exact same volunteer neighbors for the last 20-30 years to protect against what? Your vision of terrorist zombies rising from their graves to vote for candidates who are too liberal for your tastes?

[bunkerbuster1]

48. If they could get away with it in GA, they'll get away with it everywhere

Welcome to Apartheid America.

[stickdog]

49. What a surprise that you want to make it harder for people to vote!

So you really think it's cool to disenfranchise poor people even further? Where is your evidence that "voter fraud" is a problem in Ohio? It's a made up non-problem that's been hyped by Repukes for Repukes so they can return us to as close as Jim Crow days as politically possible.

The REAL problem is fraud-o-matic voting machines, massive election fraud and widespread voter suppression (of which this law is just one more method). But you are worrying your head about what? anecdotal claims of a dozen people voting twice?

[EFerrari]

55. I know for a fact that voter fraud is part of the War on Christmas

and the terrorists are based in Akron. :eyes:

[Occulus]

13. no need for extra expense

Here in MI we get a voter card that has our precinct number, voting location, etc on it. It's actually two cards, with a perforation in the center.

Why not do that, and simply have the voter ID card on the other half? Simplicity itself...

[GatoLover]

35. The Chicago Board of Elections mails me a card all the time

I have dozens of them, and no one asks for the voting card, or any other ID, when I show up at the precinct.

[roseBudd]

8. I live in OH also & unfortunately middle class people don't get it...

The poor live chaotic lives. They do not have internet access, they do not frequent lefty web sites, or have have newspapers delivered to their tenenment apartments, so they will not know about this requirement. It is a fact that they move frequently. They often "stay with" rather than live at. They do not have cars, checking accounts, they are often evicted at which point all their belongings end up on the sidewalk. They are burglarized and robbed much more frequently than the middle class. Even if the IDs were free, implementing this would be a nightmare. Are you willing to go door-to-door trudging up the steps in a 4 story row house with R.I.P in graffiti on the wall?

I did all my GOTV for Kerry in low income communities and the poor do not need more roadblocks to voting. All the so-called registration fraud was from poor people hired by ACORN to register voters. They were simply trying to get bonuses for turning in more registrations. Mary Poppins was never going to vote.

[MercutioATC]

10. The state can help, but it's THEIR responsibility.

I didn't mean to imply that the state is responsible for signing them all up. The state's responsible (IMO) for making the process as easy as possible.

If they're not going to make the effort to register, what makes you think they'll make the effort to travel to a polling place to vote?

By the same token, if they WILL make the effort to travel to a polling place to vote, they're likely to make a reasonable effort to make sure they're registered.

[roseBudd]

11. Our government is already unfairly weighted towards moneyed interests...

Funny you sound just like a republican.

What makes me think they'll vote? I would say my personal experience of having spent everyday from July until November 2, 2004 trudging through neighborhoods where R.I.P. graffiti is on every other block talking to those poor people about the presidential election, telling felons that they had been lied to and were eligible to vote. Having poor people at bus stops telling me they were going to vote because things were so bad for them economically that they just could not take 4 more years of policies that benefit the rich and hurt the poor.

And by the way I did not have to travel far to do my GOTV in poor neighborhoods, because I live in the ghetto, I buy my groceries in the ghetto grocery store and the cashier tells me her felon father can't vote, and I tell her yes he can. Now explain to me again how you know more about the poor than I do.

ACORN is working really hard to give low income people a voice only to have suburban jerks tear them down for not having a drivers license for their nonexistent car. For not knowing that felons are allowed to vote in Ohio when the GOP misinformation campaign has been so successful at perpetuating that impression.

[MercutioATC]

12. Were the people you registered willing to leave their houses to vote?

Why, then, wouldn't they be willing to leave their houses to get an ID card to vote? Why would you believe that they'd travel to vote but not travel to get ID that allowed them to vote?

It's great that you canvass inner city neighborhoods, but that doesn't change the fact that I never stated that I know more about the poor than you do. I do think, however, that those who consider voting a priority would make a small effort to get a voter ID card.

[Bridget Burke]

14. Some people want to make voting easier.

Others want to make it more difficult.

Please supply some information on recent elections marred by voter fraud. That is--fraud by the voters, not by the officials in charge.

[MercutioATC]

15. I want to make it more credible.

Knowing that the voter is who they say they are is one step toward doing that. The effort is minimal. Where's the downside?

[Bridget Burke]

20. So--votes are thrown out because the voters are not "credible"?

I repeat--what recent election was severely affected by VOTER fraud?

Edited to add: What do you think about other provisions of the Bill?

HB3's most publicized provision will require positive identification before casting a vote. But it also opens voter registration activists to partisan prosecution, exempts electronic voting machines from public scrutiny, quintuples the cost of citizen-requested statewide recounts and makes it illegal to challenge a presidential vote count or, indeed, any federal election result in Ohio. When added to the recently passed HB1, which allows campaign financing to be dominated by the wealthy and by corporations, and along with a Rovian wish list of GOP attacks on the ballot box, democracy in Ohio could be all but over.

www.alternet.org/rights/29292

[MercutioATC]

32. If you can't prove the voters actually cast the votes, yes.

Whether a past election was severelt affected by voter fraud isn't the issue. Leaving the system as it is invites the possibility of future abuses.

No, I don't agree with the bill in general. However, I don't have any problem with requiring a voter ID card to vote.

[stickdog]

57. Of course you don't have a problem with it. YOU and of all YOUR

buddies have IDs and cars and homes and jobs and educations and bank accounts and credit cards and friendly relationships with the police and plenty of food in the fridge and you can't possibly imagine anybody trying to make do without all these "necessities."

Those kinds of people simply don't deserve to vote, and you're in favor of anything that makes it more difficult for them to do so. It doesn't matter that there isn't a voter fraud problem. See, the hypothetical threat of voter fraud is more than enough to justify the widespread disenfranchisement of the less fortunate!

[roseBudd]

18. Like I said how perfectly republican of you to have such an elitist

attitude.

Let's see. How does one get ID when they have no picture ID? How am I going to communicate to all those poor people in the entire state of Ohio that they will need an ID to vote? Should I send them an email? Should I drive around with loud speakers and then hire a bus so I can take them all to get thir birth certificates from whatever Board of Health in whatever city might have that birth certificate? Should I also pay for that birth certificate? And then drive them to the DMV to get this magical ID that you are so convinced that without it elections will be stolen by swarms of people pretending to be eligible voters?

That is just so white of you.

This is a poll tax, pure and simple.

[MercutioATC]

36. Yeah, secure elections are a "Republican" idea...

:eyes:

Let's see...you accused me of being a Republican AND racist...nice.

People can't just wander in off the street to vote. If these people are voting, they're already on the rolls. I can think of any number of ways to get them cards. For most people, mailing the card or giving it to them at the next election would work. Cards could be distributed to people when they renew their licenses and registrations through the BMV. This would cover the vast majority of voters.

The rest would have to take the responsibility upon themselves to get a card. If they're already making the effort to vote, I can't see where this would be a problem.

[roseBudd]

44. So people who drive cars don't have to put forth any effort to vote

but people who don't own cars, the vast majority because they cannot afford a car will have to obtain something through greater effort, time and money to have something they will only use once a year or once every 4 years because the payoff when a poor person votes is so great, I mean politicains really really care what poor people think. lobbyists make sure of that. I mean why can't those poor people get off their lazy asses and show some initiative and get on that bus to go to the Board of Health and pay for that copy of their birth certificate and then get on a another bus to the BMV and pay for that photo ID. And those lazy elderly need to leave the house more anyway. Exercise is good for the aged, they sit around way too much on their fat asses watching TV when they could be riding buses.

sarcasm off

That is not equal access.

The GOP strives to suppress for a reason.

[stickdog]

58. So the rich white man can't even IMAGINE how it could be a problem

for someone with no birth certificate, no social security card, no car, no money, no address, no hea;th insurance and difficulty just walking to get an official ID card?

If you're not a Republican already, it's just a matter of time ...

[EFerrari]

19. The effort may seem small to you. It may not seem small

to people that struggle to function and survive every day.

[MercutioATC]

37. But those people have already proven that they are capable of this.

They registered and they make the effort to get to the polls to vote (or request an absentee ballot). I don't see how requiring identifiation is so onerous.

[Justitia]

41. Photo IDs COST MONEY - ordinary registration cards DO NOT

In TX, a state issued ID costs $21.
To get one, you have to provide TWO forms of OTHER officially issued forms of ID, which ALSO COST MONEY to obtain.

To simply register as a voter and receive a voters registration card to take to the polls COSTS NOTHING.

IT SHOULD NOT COST MONEY - PERIOD - TO CAST A VOTE AS A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

This is nothing more than throwing several roadblocks in the way of the poor or disadvantaged to discourage them from voting.

And yes, it most certainly is a POLL TAX - a blatant one at that!

[MercutioATC]

47. If you'd read my post, you'd see that I agree.

It's not a "poll tax" if the ID cards are provided free, which is exactly what I advocated.

[EFerrari]

42. In itself, it isn't.

But when you add one more hurdle for people who sometimes struggle to get a meal, well, it adds up.

And, I don't say this with any authority but just out of my experience with a partner who has at some times struggled so hard to just do the very basics.

peace,
Beth

[stickdog]

59. How do you request an absentee ballot without an ID or an address?

All these people have proven capable of is registering to vote on time, and (maybe) signing their names on their voter registration forms. And that's more than tough enough for most them. Getting to the polls before they close on election day (often just to wait in long lines) makes it even tougher. But mustering the idealism to give a shit about voting when your town, state and nation are invariably run by a bunch of smug, self-righteous assholes who can't even imagine living ONE FUCKING DAY OF THEIR PRIVILEGED LIVES like you is probably the toughest of all.

But, hey, we're just a bunch of lowlifes who don't deserve a chance to vote, anyway. And Lord knows, we're used to being shit on by people who sanctimoniously inform us what SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be too difficult for us to manage. So thanks for agreeing that the hypothetical non-issue of voter fraud completely outweighs the very REAL issue of lower class voter suppression. Because only Jim Crow himself could be more DEMOCRATIC.

[stickdog]

56. Why do you hate poor people so much that you want to rob the few

of them who vote of one of their few rights?

Why can't you understand that what seems like a SMALL effort to an air traffic controller with a job, a home and car is actually a MAJOR hassle to someone who lives hand to mouth with none of those advantages?

Isn't the United States already of the rich, for the rich and by the rich enough for you without bringing back Jim Crow laws to keep even a HIGHER percentage of poor people from voting?

[stickdog]

54. Thank you, Jim Crow.

One question:

Why do you hate democracy so profoundly?

[susanna]

31. To reiterate an earlier poster, but for the other side...

Thanks for injecting a dose of reason and logic.

[mod mom]

23. You are OK with this? Have you read the bill? Not only IDs!

HB 3 makes it impossibly difficult for voting advocacy organizations to register new voters by making the process extremely slow and expensive and punishing workers who make a mistake with the threat of a felony penalty. Workers who could be working state-wide are now required to register with every Board of Elections in the state, take a test from every board, and return any registration to the board of the newly registered voter. This makes registration drives at gatherings like the Ohio State Fair and similar events impossible.

HB 3 removes a process to audit the black box machines which are prone to errors and susceptible to hacking as recognized by the recent GAO report (see below)

HB 3 has canceled our right  to challenge election results.

The Ohio legislature, while focusing their efforts on prohibiting access to voting, failed to address a more serious concern: Electronic voting Machines. The General Accounting Office, (GAO) recently released a 107 page scathing report* on electronic voting machines in our country.  The report supports what CASE has been claiming, that electronic voting machines are not secure, not accountable, not transparent, not accurate, and not certifiable. A bipartisan panel which included both Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Democratic Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) released a joint news release regarding this report. Most community news sources have not made these important findings widely available to the public yet
* GAO 05-956  Federal Efforts to Improve Security and Reliability of Electronic Voting Systems Are Under Way, but Key Activities Need to Be Completed



You can read  <http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/BillText126/126_HB_3_RS_N.html> the entire bill here.

[MercutioATC]

38. Let me clarify: I'm in favor of requiring ID, not the entire bill.

[mod mom]

45. the point is we don't get to pick + choose what parts we support. It is a

piece of legislation that is harmful to democracy!

[MercutioATC]

46. I'm not disputing that.

I just think that requiring ID to vote is a good thing.

[Jersey Ginny]

27. Paperless electronic voting GOOD, Registered voters without ID BAAAAD!!

Isn't this like invading Iraq to fight Osama Bin Laden. Isn't there some missing of the point here?

[Gormy Cuss]

6. Just how much fraudulent voting occurs?

Anyone have numbers? Is it sufficient to warrant IDing everyone who shows up at the polling place? What protections are in place for absentee voters? Signatures are compared to those on file but nothing prevents a caretaker from getting an addled person to sign the card without actually voting. Once one looks beyond the surface, it's clear that forcing ID at the polling place is just another way to make voting onerous and drive down the vote totals. It's no different than changing polling places every election or making polling times inconvenient.

This is just another attempt to get everyone accustomed to showing identity papers. Why does the voter registration include one's Social Security Number in the first place?

[mod mom]

25. 4 documentated cases in Ohio during Nov '04 election!

this statistic was used by the Democratic Caucus during a pre-vote press conference, and has been used by activists to lobby repubs, who simply don't care-IT'S ABOUT LIMITING THE DEM BASE AND PUTTING CONSTRATINTS ON ELECTON REFORM GROUPS FOR RECOURSE!

[Hyernel]

7. I read that as...

People can't vote in Ohio unless they believe in Intelligent Design. (And I still wasn't surprised)


:evilgrin:

[sofa king]

9. What about the voting results provision?

Didn't they have a line in there which relaxed electronic voting machine protections?

[stickdog]

62. Nope. The "problem" of non-existent "voter fraud" was "solved."

However, unauditable election fraud is now a sacred Ohioan right, explicitly sanctioned and protected from challenge by Ohio law.

[Avis]

16. Elderly

I think a lot of elderly people will be affected. Many no longer drive and do not have a license, some get out very little and a trip to a court house to get a permit to vote of some kind would not be the way they might use their energy if they have to choose between a trip to the grocery store or a piece of paper. Some elderly live in assisted living and nursing homes - what kind of id will they have? The elderly here(MN) vote more for Democratic than the general population, this does not seem like a good plan to make things difficult for them.

[Prisonerohio]

17. There is a lot more going on with this bill than just requiring voter ids.

This bill and ones like it in other states virtually insures that the 2008 election is in the bag for the GOP. We are so screwed if they pass this. I am sure there will be more electronic voter irregularities in 2006 and 2008. I think this article pretty much sums up of the important points.

http://www.alternet.org/rights/29292/

This could truly be the end of democracy for us all and are buddies the democrats are doing nothing.

[Bridget Burke]

21. You're right. That's a frightening article.

Voter ID is not the worst part of what's happening in Ohio--& coming soon to a state legislature near you!

HB3's most publicized provision will require positive identification before casting a vote. But it also opens voter registration activists to partisan prosecution, exempts electronic voting machines from public scrutiny, quintuples the cost of citizen-requested statewide recounts and makes it illegal to challenge a presidential vote count or, indeed, any federal election result in Ohio. When added to the recently passed HB1, which allows campaign financing to be dominated by the wealthy and by corporations, and along with a Rovian wish list of GOP attacks on the ballot box, democracy in Ohio could be all but over.

[MercutioATC]

39. Agreed. I'm not n favor of the other provisions, just the ID issue.

[cookiebird]

22. Oh resident

now, let me see if I understand the Repug logic on this bill: OH elections were just fine, no fraud (2000, mids, 2004) but NOW we have to worry about voter fraud????? Ah, either there's a problem or there isn't.

[MercutioATC]

40. It's not an issue of what's gone on in the past, it's an issue of the

possibility of future abuse. I think that if a person casts a vote, it should be known that they are who they say they are.

[stickdog]

60. Yes, your fears of POTENTIAL future abuse completely outweigh

the very real and large scale lower class voting suppression that will be the inevitable result of this requirement. Because we can't have too many people voting, now can we? I mean, that would be far too DEMOCRATIC.

[MercutioATC]

63. Not at all...

Why not start working NOW to resolve the issue and figure out a good plan for getting ID to all voters? If people will make an effort to vote, they'll make an effort to get the ID.

[stickdog]

64. Just keep ignoring the reality of their lives and keep telling yourself

that it's really GOOD to give poor a shitload of hoops to jump through just to exercise their basic right to vote. Pretty soon, you'll come to realize that poor people really don't any deserve rights because God knows that it's a crime to be broke in America.

[MercutioATC]

65. So you advocate not verifying the voter is who they say they are?

[stickdog]

66. I'm advocating making it as easy for poor people to vote as

it is for rich people. It's this little system I like to call democracy.

[MercutioATC]

67. ...and you're determined that voter ID be left unverifiable?

I'm not suggesting implementing the change overnight, and I'm advocating finding ways to make the process as easy as possible.

My point is that there are already requirements one has to meet to be on the voter rolls and to vote. I don't think it would be outrageously difficult to have a system where we actually verified that the voter was who they said they were.

[stickdog]

69. It's only a problem in your mind.

If too many poor people voting ever becomes a major problem, just let me know. Until then, we should make voting as easy for all citizens as it is for rich people with homes and stable addresses who are mailed their absentee ballots and then mail them back (WITHOUT SHOWING ANY ID OR OTHERWISE PROVING THEY ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE) at their leisure.

[MercutioATC]

70. This isn't the first time we've disagreed...I'm sure it won't be the last.

:shrug:

[Jersey Ginny]

28. Err on side of open elections

I worked as a poll challenger in NJ and found that the real problems were getting people to use the machines properly. I don't think that we should turn away people from the polls. No one who says who they are and is a registered voter and whose signature matches should ever be turned away! I'd err on the side of some vote fraud as a possibility but unlikely scenario. The real vote fraud is with paperless electronic machines.

[upi402]

29. disenfranchisement in Ohio?

yep, it looks like there are no limits now.
even internet and alternative radio disclosures don't slow the.

we need tv news
IWT
http://www.iwtnews.com/

[doc03]

30. I can't see anything wrong with requiring an ID to vote

and am amazed you aren't already required to show an ID. I didn't know this since I live in a rural area where the poll workers know all the voters, I assumed you needed an ID already if you were not recognized. Why would anyone want a homeless person to be able to vote with no ID, he could vote more than once, isn't that a bad thing? Myself I would like to see them have voting over a several days period. The Bush gang doesn't try to suppress the vote in Iraq, I heard the other day that even prisoners are voting over there. Aren't convicted felons prohibited from voting in the US?

[Bridget Burke]

43. Civics 101: States decide whether ex-felons can vote...

In Texas, they automatically regain that right two years after the end of their sentence, probation or parole. Some states are more liberal, others more repressive. In Florida, felons can never vote again unless they jump through many hoops.

Ohio: The State that gave us Georgie's second term! The new law is designed to make things even worse.

[stickdog]

61. Where exactly is this homeless person going to vote multiple times?

The signatures have to match, the person you are claiming to be can't have voted (or vote later), the people at the polling station have to not recognize you from before, you have to pronounce the name right, (often) give the address correctly and not arouse any suspicion among any of the poll workers or observers.

Furthermore, if this putative homeless person tries to vote for someone who has already voted or for someone whom the poll workers recognize or gets busted for any other reason, it causes a huge scandal that's almost invariably investigated back to its source. The bottom line is that cheating in this manner almost never happens, perhaps because it's far riskier and more expensive than simply trying to get out the vote honestly.

Would you rather have a double standard where rural people don't need IDs but everybody else does? Where absentee voters don't need IDs but everybody else does?

[depakid]

68. Ohio Republicans

Have stolen the state blind, helped turn their communities into wastelands and made of mockery of their citizens voting rights.

And people still vote for them. Bizarre.