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hezekkia

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:04 PM
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(President) Clinton Says Bush Is 'Flat Wrong' on Kyoto

MONTREAL - Former President Clinton told a global audience of diplomats, environmentalists and others Friday that the Bush administration is "flat wrong" in claiming that reducing greenhouse-gas emissions to fight global warming would damage the U.S. economy.

With a "serious disciplined effort" to develop energy-saving technology, he said, "we could meet and surpass the Kyoto targets in a way that would strengthen and not weaken our economies."

Clinton, a champion of the Kyoto Protocol, the existing emissions-controls agreement opposed by the Bush administration, spoke in the final hours of a two-week U.N. climate conference at which Washington has come under heavy criticism for its stand...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051209/ap_on_sc/climate_change_clinton

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seafan

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:22 PM
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1. Another view from CNN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1976599

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Double T

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:25 PM
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2. Is there a way we can have bush declared mentally incompetent to.......

hold office and then have Clinton take his place for the next 3 years. I'm not sure the environment can withstand 3 more years of a wall street sympathizer.

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eppur_se_muova

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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3. Clinton 'annoys' U.S. climate team; Ex-president to make

surprise speech at U.N. conference

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/09/climate.clinton.ap/index.html

Bill Clinton, who as president championed the Kyoto Protocol clamping
controls on "greenhouse gases," was scheduled to speak at the conference
Friday afternoon -- in an unofficial capacity but potentially at a critical
point in backroom talks involving the U.S. delegation.

***

"They haven't protested formally, but they're annoyed," a source in the
Canadian government, conference host, said of the U.S. delegates. "They're
not infuriated, but they're not thrilled."

***

Despite its unofficial nature, the speech was sure to attract hundreds of
delegates from the more than 180 countries represented.

***

Clinton's vice president, Al Gore, was instrumental in final negotiations on
the 1997 treaty protocol initialed in the Japanese city of Kyoto. It mandates
cutbacks in 35 industrialized nations of emissions of carbon dioxide and five
other gases by 2012.

He's only there to remind them what a REAL leader looks like.

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wakeme2008

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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4. But will Bolton throw things at him

:eyes:

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Spazito

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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7. Here is Bolton's response, lol, given his past track record...

It is inappropriate and illegitimate for a former President to second-guess the conduct that we're engaged in in the war on the environment, with nothing more as evidence than what he reads in the newspapers.

I am speculating the above response given this actual response by Bolton to criticism by the UN High Commissioner on Human Rights:

He said he thought it "inappropriate and illegitimate for an international civil servant to second-guess the conduct that we're engaged in in the war on terror, with nothing more as evidence than what she reads in the newspapers."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/09/international/09nations.html

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eppur_se_muova

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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8. Ohmigawd, that's goofy...

International civil servants meddling in international affairs and being, uh, civil? and serving? READING NEWSPAPERS? Can't you see what these people are up to !?! <head spins round a few times, then disintegrates in flywheel explosion>

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seafan

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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5. Clinton and Gore will forever be champions of the people.

I sincerely hope that people have had enough of this all-encompassing Bush family catastrophe.

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DoYouEverWonder

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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6. They don't like anyone crashing their party

Go Bill.

I hope he starts crashing their parties all the time.

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OKNancy

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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9. kick

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liberal N proud

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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10. Clinton speech 'annoys' U.S. climate team

Ex-president to make surprise speech at U.N. conference

Friday, December 9, 2005; Posted: 1:44 p.m. EST (18:44 GMT)
MONTREAL, Quebec (AP) -- A contentious U.N. climate conference entered its final day Friday with the long-term future undecided in the fight against global warming, and with a surprise visitor on tap to rally the "pro-Kyoto" forces.

Bill Clinton, who as president championed the Kyoto Protocol clamping controls on "greenhouse gases," was scheduled to speak at the conference Friday afternoon -- in an unofficial capacity but potentially at a critical point in backroom talks involving the U.S. delegation.

The U.S. envoys, representing a Bush administration that renounced the Kyoto pact, were said to be displeased by the 11th-hour surprise.

"They haven't protested formally, but they're annoyed," a source in the Canadian government, conference host, said of the U.S. delegates. "They're not infuriated, but they're not thrilled."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/09/climate.clinton.ap/index.html

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bahrbearian

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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11. 'they're annoyed," Oh too bad , so am I. Were's Dick Cheney?

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 02:15 PM by bahrbearian

maybe he could put some light on the debate

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trogdor

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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12. Good.

Clinton pointing out the obvious SHOULD annoy Bolton and company.

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seafan

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:27 PM
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13. This just frosts me.

From the CNN article:

In the late 1990s the U.S. (Republican-controlled) Senate balked at ratifying Kyoto, and the incoming President Bush in 2001 formally renounced the accord, saying it would harm the U.S. economy.

No, cowardly cowboy. Your spending more than a billion dollars a week of the U. S. Treasury since March, 2003 for your filthy lies to stampede into Iraq under manufactured pretenses and your blatant giveaway of obscene tax breaks to your rich friends during your war is harming the U. S. economy.

But the Canadians continued to press for agreement Thursday, presenting the U.S. delegation with vague language by which Washington would join only in "exploring" "approaches" to cooperative action. The Canadians hoped the wording was sufficiently noncommittal to gain U.S. approval.

World, we are sorry li'l boots won't eat his peas without a cookie first.

As a demonstration of U.S. efforts to combat climate change, it points to $3 billion a year in U.S. government spending on research and development of energy-saving technologies.

Too bad the 5 billion per month Bush is stealing for his Iraq adventure leaves nothing for cleaning up our planet.

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Cha

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Fri Dec-09-05 07:11 PM
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26. And just because smirk says

something ..that makes it true? NOT!

I am really glad to be seeing this..after all that cozying up with poppybush and shite..I'm surprised that Clinton is speaking out and Frosting their butts, big time.

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Fri Dec-09-05 05:16 PM
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24. "They're not infuriated,

but they're not thrilled".

Oh, you can bet they're infuriated. :rofl:
Good for Bill, and the environment.

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Spazito

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:29 PM
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14. He is on live at a press conference with Martin right now, on Canadian

television. Damn, he is so articulate, charming and political savvy, it makes bush looks even worse than he does in the normal course of events.

(Yes, I like and respect Clinton, lol)

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Lisa

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:44 PM
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15. especially given the hissy fit that the Bushies threw over Martin's speech

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 03:46 PM by Lisa

Apparently they have lodged an official protest with our ambassador (Frank McKenna).

I never thought I would see the day when a comment by Paul Martin would set off a diplomatic firestorm ... but then again, it seems that a phrase like "global conscience" causes Bush to react as if someone had accused him of snacking on live babies.

And the sight of President Clinton being perfectly jovial and at ease with the PM -- oh, I'm enjoying this!

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Spazito

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:52 PM
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16. ROFL, yep, they are in 'full-blown affront'

"Jim Connaughton, chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality, has told Canadian Ambassador Frank McKenna that Martin's comments are the worst slight against President George W. Bush since Germany's Gerhard Schroeder suggested Bush's stance against the Kyoto Protocol was responsible for hurricane Katrina.

"My understanding is that Mr. Connaughton made very clear his unhappiness over Mr. Martin's comments and particularly singling out the United States," a State Department official said, the Canadian Press reported.

snip

Bernard Etzinger, a Canadian embassy spokesman in Washington, told Canadian Press that McKenna asked Connaughton for the meeting as part of their regular encounters.

"We asked for the meeting to talk about the (climate-change) proposals and how the U.S. was responding," Etzinger said.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2005/12/09/katrina-global-warming-bush-martin.html

I AM loving this, to be totally honest, rofl.

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lebkuchen

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:58 PM
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17. Kyoto's not the only thing Bush is wrong about

Bush is wrong literally every time he opens his mouth. The US must endure another three years of his insanity, and I don't use that label loosely.

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Spazito

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:59 PM
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18. Not to mention the rest of the world has to put up with him as well

Thank goodness we still have humour to stave off the depression!

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lebkuchen

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:05 PM
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20. My sense of humor wore thin on the Chimp a long time ago

I've forwarded my anger to Congress, and the world.

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Spazito

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:38 PM
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22. When I lose mine, I just come to DU and count on the creative

posters with their pithy comments, great photoshopping, etc, to make me laugh again and remember 3 years, albeit long, really isn't forever. Oh, and fire off encouraging e-mails to my government when they hammer bush. That, too, makes me feel a bit better.

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hezekkia

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Fri Dec-09-05 08:56 PM
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29. sigh. 3 more years.

how depressing.

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Tarc

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:03 PM
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19. This kinda stuff shoulda been happening from Day 1

The moment that Dubya was sworn in, Al Gore should've rented fofice space as near to the heart of DC politics as possible and done these kind of speeches and actions. Shadow the Accidental President to places like Kyoto and reassure the world that not all of America stands behind this moron.

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Uncle Joe

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:24 PM
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21. It's like a tree falling in the forest if no one is there to hear it.

Al Gore has been traveling the world over giving vital speeches regarding our democracy, global warming, sustainability investing, his opposition to us going to war in Iraq and our dysfunctional press, the rare times they have been reported on by the MSM whores, it has been along the lines of Al is just ranting or off his meds.

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eppur_se_muova

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Fri Dec-09-05 05:09 PM
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23. CNN has replaced the top page link with a Special Report!

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/changing.earth/

Looks like CNN is waking up to the fact that most people ARE concerned about this. Only in the US is there such doubt or ignorance.

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hezekkia

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Fri Dec-09-05 05:49 PM
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25. i wonder if this will come btwn "Poppy" Bush and Bill C.

they've been awfully tight lately.

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eppur_se_muova

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Fri Dec-09-05 08:41 PM
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28. I doubt it.

Poppy to Bill: "He's not mine. Bar was pretty loose in those days."

Bill to Poppy: "He's not mine...I mean, my sympathies."

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cal04

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Fri Dec-09-05 07:43 PM
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27. U.S. Delegation Walks Out of Climate Talks

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 07:52 PM by cal04

The walkout was widely seen here as the capstone of two weeks of American efforts to prevent any fresh initiatives from being discussed.

"This shows just how willing the U.S. administration is to walk away from a healthy planet and its responsibilities to its own people," said Jennifer Morgan of the World Wildlife Fund.

The talks have left the world's major sources of the emissions - the United States, big developing countries, and a bloc led by Europe and Japan - divided over how to proceed under both a 1992 treaty with no binding gas restrictions and the Kyoto Protocol, an addendum that took effect this year.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article332206.ece

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texpatriot2004

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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30. Clinton Says Bush Is 'Flat Wrong' on Kyoto

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051209/ap_on_sc/climate_change_clinton

MONTREAL - Former President Clinton told a global audience of diplomats, environmentalists and others Friday that the Bush administration is "flat wrong" in claiming that reducing greenhouse-gas emissions to fight global warming would damage the U.S. economy.

With a "serious disciplined effort" to develop energy-saving technology, he said, "we could meet and surpass the Kyoto targets in a way that would strengthen and not weaken our economies."

<snip>

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Anakin Skywalker

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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31. You Tell 'Em, Big Dog!

Of course, Shrub is flat wrong on everything else too.

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texpatriot2004

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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32. Yes, there is that, he is wrong about everything. n.t

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rodeodance

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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33. Jr sure knows how to embarass us in the eyes of the world!

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IndianaGreen

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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34. Big Dog doesn't understand Faith-Based Science like Bush does!

Jesus will make everything right when He returns, so why should we worry about little things like rising sea levels due to global warming.

One cannot appeal to reason when the other person has a brain in suspended animation.

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rodeodance

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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35. U.S. Delegates Walk Out of Montreal Climate Talks (Update2)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&sid=afO_dGsyC64s&refer=canada#
U.S. Delegates Walk Out of Montreal Climate Talks (Update2)

Dec. 9 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. delegates walked out of one of the final negotiating sessions of the Montreal meeting on climate change and rejected a Canadian plan to keep its neighbor, the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide, involved in future talks.

The Canadian proposal would have allowed the U.S. to remain a part of any negotiations that follow this week's session without committing to limits on greenhouse gases, according to environmental groups that were in the session. The lead U.S. negotiator, Harlan Watson, said last week that the U.S. won't support mandatory cuts in emissions.

``If there was ever any doubt about the Bush administration tactics, they showed their true colors last night by refusing to negotiate even about a dialogue,'' Jennifer Morgan, director of climate change at World Wildlife Fund International, said at a media briefing in Montreal.

The negotiating session started yesterday and lasted past midnight. Almost 200 countries are participating in the Montreal talks, the biggest international meeting on climate change since 1997, when a treaty with mandatory emission reductions was negotiated in Kyoto, Japan. President George W. Bush rejected the Kyoto Protocol in 2001 as too expensive for the economy. .......

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rodeodance

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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36. Bushco shames us!!!!!

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:34 AM
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37. Nice to hear a voice of sanity

Bush thinks he's just hurrying up the rapture.

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newswolf56

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:35 AM
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38. At long last -- and in bold defiance of Bush -- the beginnings of...

a government in exile around which to mobilize our efforts in 2006 and 2008.

I have been enormously critical of Clinton for serving as the Democratic Leadership Council's point man in its corporate-funded war against American workers and the poor. But this address -- almost suppressed by the Bush Administration (and given in absolute defiance of administration censorship) -- has the feeling of a new milestone in political courage. Note the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1977334

Now if Al Gore will only begin using the title "president in exile," we will have taken a great step toward restoring truth to American political debate.

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rodeodance

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Sat Dec-10-05 06:35 AM
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39. recall that during the campaign Kerry talked of how

we could Americans to work developing this technology--for the good of the earth. Jr sure embarrasses the US!!

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Che_Nuevara

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Sat Dec-10-05 11:52 AM
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40. I miss you so much, Bill (n/t)

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