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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:08 PM
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(White House) Adviser: No federal promise on La. levees

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/story/2937278p-11...


Adviser: No federal promise on La. levees

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - The White House's top hurricane-relief adviser said Tuesday he has not decided whether the federal government should pay to make New Orleans' levees stronger than they were before Katrina.

Donald Powell declined to say how long it would take before a decision is made.

Katrin, a Category 3 storm, surged through the city's levees at numerous points when it struck three months ago, killing more than 1,000 people.

Powell said he is gathering information from local and state officials and will eventually recommend to the Bush administration whether the levees should be strengthened to protect against more powerful Category 4 or Category 5 storms.


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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:14 PM
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1. This is a fucking no-brainer. CAT 5 or nothing you asshole.
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 03:16 PM by CottonBear
James Lee Witt was on CSPAN all weekend and on live on CSPAN WJ today talking about the levees.

Bush and his gang of Nazis really want to implement a final solution upon the people of NOLA. :( :cry:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:15 PM
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2. They can't decide?
They've got to be kidding, right?

A million plus people, most of whom pay federal taxes, who happen to live in one of the most important US port cities and BushCo can't decide whether or not they are worth spending the money on to save their city and their lives the next time another hurricane hits. Let me take a guess, that this a-hole fully supports spending a billion per week in Iraq instead.

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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:19 PM
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4. and the bridge to nowhere
ty ted stevens
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:20 PM
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6. Welcome to DU muryan
:hi: Jump right on in and post away!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:19 PM
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5. NOLA drains 1/3 of USA and is the port of entry for 25% of our oil & gas
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 03:19 PM by CottonBear
not to mention the majority of our coffee imports and countless other products. The city is located at the downstream end of a river which drains 1/3 of the fucking country.

Give me a god damned break. We should have the Dutch and Germans come over and pay them to build up the levees and the flood control gates. :grr:
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:34 PM
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10. Middle American farm products are shipped out through NOLA.
Kansas would take a big hit. Gee, who would have thought the Republicans don't really care about Kansas.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:43 PM
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14. the dutch and germans have already looked at the problem
they have come, they say the technical problems are not a problem, that the technical issues can be easily solved, they said the issue is money and that it's something the usa should be able to easily afford

the dutch prime minister said that their levees ended up costing them pennies for every dollar returned on their investment, they spent $18 billion plus $500 million a year for maintenance, he said the return on that investment has been overwhelming

he sounded baffled that there was even a debate because the pay-off for secure levees was so high because of the economic development allowed

if money be the motive, there is money to be made here by rebuilding, not by abandoning the city, all abandoning does is create a new pool of formerly middle class who are now impoverished, and going by lessons of history this will eventually create internal crime and terrorist issues

so i can only figure the motive for abandonment is race and politics, new orleans ia majority black and overwhelmingly voted even for kerry, a yankee, because it overwhelmingly supports democrats


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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:54 PM
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19. and indeed aenvironmental nightmare
of epic proportions.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 04:00 PM
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21. yes and where does the nightmare end?
there is no reason to think this is the only city that will be facing this situation, waters are supposedly rising the world over, might as well learn how to deal w. this now

or do they intend to abandon boston, washington, new york, etc.

where does it end?

all major cities are on waterways, well except maybe vegas, you can't have an economy based on dealing blackjack to each other

europe will not sit back and drown, so while they are protecting their people and attracting the world's industry in the coming decades...what happens to the usa if we let ourselves remain in the back of this issue?
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:27 PM
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25. we become like the starving children
of Africa. They will have telethons to exploit our plight just like we do now. :shrug:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:18 PM
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3. Are the refineries in jeopardy?...
or is it just human beings?
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:35 PM
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11. yes the refineries are in jeopardy
exhibit a is murphy oil
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:17 PM
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22. wow....i'd never heard of Murphy Oil...
always amazes me how little i know. I read where the family has been in the biz for generations...and while they are global..they are not on a par with the big guns, are they? Will they be able to survive this...


http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=4097860
Unsafe levels of diesel and oil-related organic chemicals were found in sediment samples where about 1 million gallons of oil spilled from a Murphy Oil Corp. storage tank, according to a report from the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease.
The Murphy storage tank that leaked was dislodged by flood waters. The oil company has denied any wrongdoing, but lawyers in a class-action lawsuit claim that the company failed to prevent the leak.


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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:30 PM
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7. WTF? Who the hell is this Powell guy anyway?
All I can find is this Donald Powell who is the FDIC Chairman.

http://www.fdic.gov/about/meet /

If they can't see what has to be done with these levees they are dumber than I thought.

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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:31 PM
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8. remember * proclaimed no one ever thought the levees would break
not sure what his excuse will be this time?

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:35 PM
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12. Bush is doing everything he can to turn


New Orleans into Baghdad. That's their plan, the PNAC plan, to destabilize and destroy the US.


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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:46 PM
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15. "God told me not too"
I tried to think like him, but now my brain hurts.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:33 PM
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9. HUH???? I heard Prince Pissypants
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 03:33 PM by SoCalDem
with his own piehole..

We will pay what it takes..we will build them better...higher...

sounds like the promises he made NYC and then renegged on :puke:

Poor Trent.. he probably won;t get that new front porch either :)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:39 PM
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13. The doomsday types think the sea level is going to rise 10 feet anyway
Let me rephrase that: we doomsday types think the sea level is going to rise 10 feet anyway.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:47 PM
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16. well the dutch say it can be dealt with
somehow i think they know more abt it than you doomsday types do, only a silly person would suggest that we abandon all the low-lying cities and nations of the world and throw up our hands in a cry of helplessness

people who have nothing to offer but their negativity need to get out of the way of people who are doing something positive

the great wealth of this nation -- the great wealth of every nation -- is on its coasts and waterways, seems to me if you REALLY believed in the doomsday scenario, you'd want to get those engineers working now, get those techniques and materials developed now, not 100 yrs in the future

forgive me if i am highly suspicious of those doomsday types who only believe in global warming when a democratic city needs a levee built

i'm sure they'll be happy to drown washington dc as well

hmm, come to think of it, most cities are democratic, this is why the republicans in federal gov't have tried to starve them ever since nixon
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:48 PM
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17. impeach the pricks
Ever hear of negligent homicide? These people hold money over all else, yes even your well being.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:52 PM
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18. words fail me at the vast arrogance
and stupidity. May he rot in hell with all the people's nightmare scenarios multiple by three fold. Soon.
IMPEACH BUSH AND SEND THEM ALL TO THE HAGUE
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 03:55 PM
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20. This kind of "position" really burns me. It's a federal issue, a waterway,
essential to interstate and international commerce. The federal government has long standing power of authority and responsibility in this arena.

I understand mainstream Republican opinion about "smaller government", etc., but this administration seems to think that means neglect, incompetence, defund, deny and delay. That's not a poltical theory, it's a crime.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 05:43 PM
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23. What the hell
we can rebuild Iraq but we are not going to rebuild our own country! I am pissed. :grr:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 06:48 PM
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24. I'm going to wait to see what they say.
There are many scores of miles of levees protecting different neighborhoods for different reasons. It's not an all-or-nothing sort of affair. If you count the entire system, it's like 900 miles of floodwalls and levees, some of which have a greater need of being upgraded to handle a Category 4 or 5 storm than others.

It's possible to not reinforce some levees, abandon some neighborhoods to the next monster storm, and still retain NOLA and the environs for transhipment of goods and materials. Neighborhoods in floodplains have been dealt with that way in the last 20 years with no great outcry when the benefits outweigh the costs, and because the costs are ongoing, not a one-time charge. In the absence of a race-based or culture-based accounting, it was a fairly simple matter to say 'move, or the next time you flood, you rebuild on your own.'

Part of the economics will be who actually returns. A lot of the Houston-based NOLAers say they want to stay, or at least not return.

The decision will, no doubt, be partly political, partly economic. And much controverted.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:42 PM
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26. because it's always more profitable to abandon cities after 1 disaster
:crazy:

why rebuild? we're a consumer society, just throw it away and build a new one!

:crazy:

as if i thought this nation couldn't get anymore batshit crazy... what a concept, disposable cities. especially ones at the heart of your infrastructure -- they're just "no big loss." :eyes:

and here i come from reading history that cities are *so* important that they often outlive nations and empires. and after countless sackings, decimations, conflagrations, and deluges, they still come back because they are just *that* important. but how foolish of me; how could i forget that *everything* changed after 9/11?
:crazy:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:20 AM
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27. England has rebuilt London several times
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 12:20 AM by daleo
Great Fire of London, the Blitz, etc. Germany rebuilt a bunch of cities after the war, right down to faithfully reproducing medieval architecture. Japan rebuilt Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The U.S. rebuilt San Francisco.

Many countries have undertake projects of this scope, partly to prove to the world that they could. It would be a bad message to send, to not rebuild New Orleans.
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