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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:46 PM
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FBI and CIA Identified as Helping Plan Venezuelan Prosecutor's Murder
FBI and CIA identified as helping Plan Venezuelan Prosecutor's Murder

Wednesday, Nov 09, 2005

By: Alessandro Parma - Venezuelanalysis.com

Almost exactly a year ago a car bomb killed prominent State Prosecutor Danilo Anderson on his way home.

Caracas, November, 9 2005 – A key witness in the Danilo Anderson murder trial, Giovani Jose Vasquez De Armas, has identified FBI and CIA agents as being involved in the preparations to assassinate the Venezuelan State Prosecutor. Speaking on behalf of Vasquez De Armas, the Attorney General's office said that those planning the killing, "all discussed the plan with the help of the FBI and CIA."

Danilo Anderson was a Venezuela Prosecutor killed by a car bomb in Caracas on November 18, 2004. He was murdered while investigating those who were involved in leading and organizing the April 2002 coup that briefly overthrew President Chavez and abolished the constitution and the National Assembly. Vasquez De Armas, a member of Colombia's right wing paramilitary group called the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC) has said that he was in charge of logistics for the plot to kill Danilo Anderson.

According to the Attorney General, Vasquez De Armas said that during a meeting in Darien, Panama, on September 4 and 6, 2003, an FBI Officer called "Pesquera" and a CIA agent called "Morrinson," attended a meeting along with two of the plot's alleged organizers, Patricia Poleo and Salvador Romani, as well as two of those who actually did the killing, Rolando and Otoniel Guevera.

An official from the Attorney General's office, speaking on behalf of Vasquez De Armas, said that in Panama the FBI and the plotting Venezuelans agreed, "to take out Chavez and the Government." He said, "the meeting's final objective was to kill President Chavez and the Attorney General." Vasquez De Armas said it was at the next meeting in the town of Maracaibo, Venezuela on March 3 and 4, 2004, that a "dramatic change" of target took place. At this meeting, attended, amongst others, by Retired General Eugenio Añez Núñez, "They decided definitely to change the objective and chose Danilo Anderson as the victim."

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1809
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:58 PM
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1. My God! And to think we've had a few visiting posters here who've
tried to claim Hugo Chavez is connected to Colombian FARC's. This is the absolutely limit of absurdity, and viciousness.

From the article:
Three Venezuelan's from the same family, Rolando, Otoniel, and Juan Batista Guevera were arrested shortly after the murder for planting and detonating the bomb that killed Anderson. Those alleged of planning and ordering the assassination include a retired Venezuelan general, an anti-Cuban militant, and two leading opposition figures.

Retired General Eugenio Añez Núñez and anti-Cuban activist Salvador Romaní were arrested over the weekend. Nelson Mezerhane, a businessman involved in the oppositional TV station Globovisión, and Patricia Poleo, a leading opposition journalist have not been captured by the police and are currently in hiding.

According to Vasquez De Armas, he was sent by the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia to help provide operational support for the bombing after the plotters came to the organization for help. The Public Ministry said he and his family are currently under the witness protection program as they fear for the lives. This is why the Ministry says he cannot appear openly to discuss his testimony.

The defense lawyers for General Añez and Mr. Romani have claimed that the testimony of one Colombian paramilitary is not enough to prosecute their clients. The Judge in charge of the case, Alejandra Rivas Aliendres, said that Vasquez De Armas's testimony was not the only one and that the charges were based upon, "12 separate pieces of evidence."
(snip/)
I hope every last bit of information gets illuminated in this. Killing Danilo Anderson was evil, but learning it was also connected to yet ANOTHER assassination plot against Hugo Chavez is beyond redemption.

ALL these people need to be located and tried. ALL of them, including any U.S. citizens.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:24 PM
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2. "objective was to kill President Chavez" n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:48 AM
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7. I knew that. Chavez knew that.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:38 PM
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3. Some DUer who claimed to be in the military and also claimed to have
access to military intelligence said that this intelligence showed that Chavez was involved with Al Q. When pressed, he cited a Venezuelan guy whose name I've forgotten as the source of the information.

Now, I highly doubt that a real military person with access to top secret intelligence would brag about that on the internet. Also, the guy whose name he cited as the source produced a lot of google hits showing where he'd made the claims publicly, so that information wasn't exactly top secret.

A hit that also came up was about how that guy was the subject of an investigation by Danilo Anderson. He was being investigated for his alleged participation in activities including, if I remember correctly, bombings (ie, terrorism) which had already resulted in the indictments of two other people who had escaped to the US. I believe it was the investigagtion that is discussed in this article.

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SomewhereOutThere424 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 01:38 PM
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37. "Now, I highly doubt that a real military person with access to top...
... secret intelligence would brag about that on the internet."

Exactly, atleast not identifiably. Not just for the fact that you put yourself in danger, but any friend/co worker who helped you, your/their families...atleast it'd be very reckless and stupid IMO.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:42 PM
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4. Here's more on the witness....
Published: Tuesday, November 08, 2005
Bylined to: Patrick J. O'Donoghue


Attorney General: Colombian psychiatrist is a key witness in Anderson case

Venezuelan Attorney General Isaias Rodriguez says the key witness in the investigation into the assassination of state prosecutor, Danilo Anderson last year is a Colombian psychiatrist.

Speaking on State VTV channel, Rodriguez states that the doctor, his wife and son are currently under police witness protection because of fears that he may be murdered.

The Colombian subject, who worked for the paramilitary Self-Defense Units of Colombia (AUC), allegedly took part in meetings where Anderson's death was planned.

According to Rodriguez, his witness wanted to avoid the assassination and fed Colombia after an attempt on his own life.

The AUC apparently acted as consultants to the plotters and were paid for their efforts. Anderson died as the result of a car bomb on November 18, 2004.
(snip)

El Pais publisher/editor Patricia Poleo and banker Nelson Mezerhane say they will hand themselves in when the right moment comes.
(snip/...)
http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46809



The assassinated District Attorney, Danilo Anderson


His car.....


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sphincter Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:13 AM
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5. What would you call an act like this?
Isn't this what Bushy and his gang label as terrorism?
Or is it only terrorism when those acts are carried out by
people of Middle Eastern origin?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 01:24 AM
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6. Bush is protecting a notorious Cuban "exile" terrorist from the effects
of the "rule of law" in Venezuela currently. Looks like he thinks he'll make sure he doesn't suffer any consequences after co-authoring the plot which killed 73 people on a Cubana airliner: the very first mid-air mass-murder on record.
Luis Posada Carriles: When Injustice is Justice
Written by Tom Crumpacker
Monday, 17 October 2005

CarrilesIn George Orwell’s prophetic novel 1984 the Rulers of Oceania, by their language of newthink and process of doublethink, convinced the masses that statements formerly considered irrational were rational. In other words, virtual reality became actual reality. The Party's slogans, accepted by the ruled, were "War is Peace", "Freedom is Slavery", and "Ignorance is Strength" . Our US Rulers seem to have us well along these same paths, with new realities surfacing each year. Another one, "Injustice is Justice", became apparent to some of us in the press who were permitted to attend the recent Luis Posada Carriles hearings before Homeland Security immigration judge William Abbott in El Paso, Texas.
By way of background, what is known publicly about Posada is that as a young man he worked in Havana in enforcement for the Batista regime, and came to US in 1960. In the CIA directed Bay of Pigs invasion, he and his partner Orlando Bosch joined CIA Operation 40, made up of sharpshooters whose job was to murder the leaders of Cuba's government. When the invasion failed, the CIA sent him to Ft. Benning, Ga. ("School of the Americas") where he was trained in explosives and interrogation by torture. Allegedly, Posada was seen in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, on November 22, 1963, the place and day Lee Harvey Oswald killed John F. Kennedy. During the 1960’s Posada was involved in CIA's Operation Mongoose (murderous incursions into Cuba). He also ran the CIA's demolition school in Florida and made several deadly forays into other countries, such as blowing up the Soviet library in Mexico City, the Cuban embassies in Argentina, Peru and Portugal and the Costa Rica-Cuba Cultural center. In 1972 CIA sent him to Caracas with substantial bomb making materials and equipment to work with the Venezuelan intelligence agency, DISIP. The head of DISIP, one Joachim Chaffardet, made Posada the chief of his "special services," which involved teaching demolitions and interrogation by torture.
(snip/...)
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/72/1/
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:11 AM
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8. I just finished watching a video of the CIA Orchestrated Coup
It was an amazing thing to witness on film. The CIA orchestrated this by taking over the media - including CNN. But weeks before, the campaign began with a horrific disinformation campaign, primarily using vicious charachter assassination tactics USING THE MEDIA (CNN) they had anchors calling for Chavez to step down and resign, accusing Chavez of all manner of crimes such as harboring al queda and other terrorists groups. When that didn't seem to work, (the population didn't buy it)they started accusing Chavez of being being mentally ill, pyschotic etc.


The coup itself was also caught on film, including CNN clips which were edited so that the actual snipers were not included clip, so that the anchors could accuse Pro-Chavez demonstrators as being the "savage murderers". The problem is, that the Pro-Chavez demonstrators were being shot at too (wounded and killed) by the same snipers that were coming from high rise buildings towering above the crowds in the streets.

The scenes to follow with the so called "transitional" government taking over and dismanteling the entire government in a day was stunning to watch in and of itself, but not as much as what followed. When they thought had succeeded in the takeover, they actually went on TV to explain what happened - in that they told just how they did it! I couldn't believe the arrogance of these wealthy pigs. They actually spelled out, step by step how they proceeded to takeover the government.

Then what followed was great. Shortly after they're bragging how they're the new government, The Guard orchestrated a bit of the coup on their own, and got the word out to the rest of the Army and the Commanding Generals that Chavez was the true President and is being returned to the Palace.

Amazing to see this all on film.

But one thing that blew me away is discovering that the CIA owns (or at least controls)CNN, literally.

This film was a bootleg vhs copy, I don't even know what the title of it is - (but I can find out tomorrow) It is imperative that it gets out far and wide here in this country - AND it is imperative that people realize what CNN really is.





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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:43 AM
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9. watching that coup put down so quick was a thing of beauty
they weren't really expecting any opposition and could not withstand any. Whoever these two US guys were, I doubt they were really CIA and FBI. perhaps, perhaps just two mercenaries paid to pretend, to give confidence to the other plotters. I don't know how they could prove they really are US agents.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:36 AM
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18. It is possible that they were privateers
who pretended they were CIA and FBI to encourage the coup leaders to believe they had FBI and CIA support.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:51 AM
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32. "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" (book, John Perkins)
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 09:52 AM by Al-CIAda
Talks about just this arrangement.He was an economic hitman working for the CIA who toppled several governments. The CIA was afraid of being busted, so they've outsourced these type operations to allow plausable deniability.


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:21 AM
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11. it was surreal watching the edited version on CNN...
I would love to see the video you saw. Please, if you remember the name let me know so I can find a copy.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:36 AM
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14. I've seen that film too
Pretty damning evidence, especially that scene - forwarded uncritically by the MSM - where Chavez' supporters and police shoots from a bridge. In the edited newspiece, the next clip shows a peaceful demonstration under that bridge, but the original footage shows the truth; an empty road and people that fire back from street corners.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:34 AM
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17. You have some errors in this post. The real story is disturbing enough
If it's The Revoloution will Not Be Televised that you saw I think you've mixed up a few facts. I can't remember if the movie suggests that the CIA was involved. There was evidence of US involvement. The plane used to kidnap Chavez was registered to the US, coup leaders had meetings with the White House, apparently they think they know one of the snipers was American, and now the evidence relating to Danilo Anderson -- but I don't think any of that was in the movie, but I could be wrong.

The point of the movie wasn't that the CIA orchestrated the takeover of the media in Venezuela. The point was that the media was already controlled by private companies which spent all their trime trying to undermine Chavez's government. The coverage from CNN was very disturbing becasue they repeated lies and gave people like Colin Powell the chance to spread propaganda, but I believe that CNN's coverage was mostly aimed at an American audience to reduce their resistance to the coup. CNN's coverage wasn't aimed at Venezuelans and wasn't designed to foment a coup. That job was done by the Venezuelan media.

The misrepresentation of the sniper incident wasn't done through a manipulation of CNN footage, IIRC. That was done with coverage from one of the Venezuelan private media stations, IIRC. And it was played on Venezuelan TV, not on CNN.

I don't remember any allegation that the CIA literally owns CNN. It was more like the CNN doesn't care to present any side of a story other than the State Department and Pentagon's verion of the story.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:11 AM
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23. "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"?
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 04:04 AM
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30. The one I saw was called "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"
Here's the info site for the film:
http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/home.htm


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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 02:47 AM
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10. Autobiography of an Economic Hit Man
tells how and why this stuff happens.

Ironic how the 'Moral Values' team acts, no?
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:37 AM
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19. It's called "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:42 AM
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12. Cute.
A "news" website that hides its WHOIS information. That's gotta be a first.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:17 AM
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13. not a news site
but a pro-Chavez propaganda site.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:25 AM
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15. Thats ok, just about every American "news" site is a pro-neocon bushco
dominionist propaganda site.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:02 AM
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20. And Judith Miller shows us that the threshold question is, "do they lie?"
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:50 AM
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16. This is just fucking unbelievable.
Why are we even hiring people to a 44 Billion dollar secret organization that would have the absence of conscience to do this shit?
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:05 AM
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21. So why doesn't Chavez call for UN sanctions against the US?
Is the world just going to stand by and continue to allow the US to get away with this shit? I guess the answer is "yes."
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:43 PM
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22. The UN will ignore the "firebrand" "leftist"
<sigh>
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:14 AM
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24. and should they take Hugo "game show host" seriously??
do you??
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:27 AM
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26. T think there's truth in his rhetoric but he's being overly boisterous
to rile up his own supporters and make himself look like he's standing up to the mighty US.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:36 AM
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27. sure, he is a politician
I wish more people would recognize that.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:42 AM
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29. He must be doing something large if the opposition & the Republican Party
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 03:44 AM by Judi Lynn
are so desperate to get him out of office.

It would seem he is bringing powerful change well overdue to a large mass of Venezuelans who've been bullied for ages. Why on earth would the wealthy be trying so hard to destroy him?

Hot air? Probably not.

He is speaking out against the very same pResident who has been trying to destabilize his, who has been funding his opposition, etc., etc.

He is surely appropriate in taking shots at Bush any old time the occassion arises.

Politicians are like the slimey clown the opposition used to replace him for one day during the coup, Pedro Carmona, who has since moved to Miami, home of absolute right-wing Latin American ass#### rejects.


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 09:37 AM
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31. the opposition typically tries to remove the incumbant from office
that is what opposition parties do.

and Chavez is a politician too and not exactly an innocent when it comes to attempting to remove an elected president from office.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 01:05 PM
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36. The elected president whom Chavez tried to remove had his soldiers fire
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 01:07 PM by Judi Lynn
upon unarmed civilians. It's no secret anywhere but among people who haven't paid attention to Latin American events.

Timeline of the president against whom Hugo Chavez led a coup, the same man who was later impeached for corruption and imbezzlement, the lesser sins of his filthy presidential career:
1989 - Carlos Andres Perez (AD) elected president against the background of economic depression, which necessitates an austerity programme and an IMF loan. Social and political upheaval includes riots, in which between 300 and 2,000 people are killed, martial law and a general strike.

1992 - Some 120 people are killed in two attempted coups, the first led by future president Colonel Hugo Chavez, and the second carried out by his supporters. Chavez is jailed for two years before being pardoned

1993-95 - Ramon Jose Velasquez becomes interim president after Perez is ousted on charges of corruption; Rafael Caldera elected president.

1996 - Perez imprisoned after being found guilty of embezzlement and corruption.
(snip/...)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1229348.stm

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yet the idea that the country was not polarized on February 27th, 1989 during the Caracazo, for example, when anywhere from 327 (government figure) and 3,000 (independent estimates by journalists) people were killed by the Venezuelan military is extremely offensive to the Venezuelans who lived the tragedy.
(snip/...)
http://counterpunch.org/girdin08142004.html



Photos of the aftermath of the occassion in which the elected President of Venezuela, Carlos Andres Perez ordered his people to fire upon the poor who were protesting in the streets in reaction to the fact Perez had raised the cost of their only means of transportation, the city buses to a level far above what they could afford simply to get to and from work, etc.

This US-supported President simply had his men blow away as many as it took. Hugo Chavez led a coup against this man. Slimes attempt to portray a coup against a mass murderer as a power grab. Good luck.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:15 AM
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25. maybe the US would just veto the sanctions??
I don't know, what do you think??
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:58 AM
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28. Hugo is a true hero of the common folk. He connects with them. "He's too
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 02:02 AM by oasis
dangerous to go on living." The big money people want him rubbed out.
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mdelaguna2000 Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 10:38 AM
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33. Long live Hugo...
I do worry for his safety. The people of Venezuela have long deserved such a hero.

I hope that Anderson's investigation is continuing. Perhaps they would be wise to not reveal that person's identity, for crying out loud.

Can't believe anyone would fault Chavez for his posturing considering the kinds of crimes his administration has had to endure and his stature as a legitimately elected leader.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:04 PM
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34. A to B to CIA, FBI...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:06 PM
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35. CIA and FBI Plan to Assassinate Hugo Chávez
CIA and FBI Plan to Assassinate Hugo Chávez
Posted by: APR on Nov 11, 2005 - 09:48 AM

CIA and FBI Plan to Assassinate Hugo Chávez

By Kurt Nimmo
“How do we know that the CIA was behind the coup that overthrew Hugo Chávez?” asked historian William Blum in 2002. “Same way we know that the sun will rise tomorrow morning. That’s what it’s always done and there’s no reason to think that tomorrow morning will be any different.”

Now we have a bit more evidence the CIA and the FBI connived with reactionary elements to not only briefly overthrow Chávez, abolish the constitution and the National Assembly, but later assassinate the Venezuelan State Prosecutor, Danilo Anderson. He was killed by a car bomb in Caracas on November 18, 2004, while investigating those who were behind the coup. Giovani Jose Vasquez De Armas, a member of Colombia’s right wing paramilitary group called the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, claims he was in charge of logistics for the plot to kill Danilo Anderson. Vasquez De Armas told the Attorney General’s office that those planning the killing, “all discussed the plan with the help of the FBI and CIA.”
(snip)

Steve Kangas writes:
CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: “We’ll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us.” The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be “communists,” but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.
(snip/...)

http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=526

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