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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:05 AM
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TIME: A White House Without Rove? (the news here: not "if," but "when")
A White House Without Rove?
He's not gone yet, but his Texas-size ambitions are giving way to smaller goals
By MIKE ALLEN
Posted Sunday, Nov. 06, 2005


He's weary. his wife and only child, who is approaching college, miss him. He has monstrous legal bills. His unique bond with the President is under stress. His most important work is done.

Karl Rove's colleagues don't know exactly when it will happen, but they are already laying out the reasons they will give for the departure of the man President George W. Bush dubbed the architect. A Roveless Bush seemed unthinkable just a few months ago. But that has changed as the President's senior adviser and deputy chief of staff remains embroiled in the CIA leak scandal.

Despite Rove's flashes of ebullience in recent days and the insistence of friends that he is out of legal jeopardy, several of the most important lawyers who deal with special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald said they saw more clues last week that Fitzgerald is continuing to look into the possibility of charging Rove with lying to investigators or the grand jury or both. If that happens, Rove almost certainly would resign immediately, as did I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, when Libby was indicted two weeks ago. Otherwise, Rove is likely to wait for a chance to minimize the perception that he is being hounded out or leaving under a cloud. And he's got one constituency rooting for him, the conservatives who rely on him to be their voice. If he leaves, he will not be alone. Several well-wired Administration officials predict that within a year, the President will have a new chief of staff and press secretary, probably a new Treasury Secretary and maybe a new Defense Secretary.

The expected departures are among a host of new signs suggesting that Bush's sixth year in officethe last one before midterm elections and a turn in attention toward the 2008 race to succeed himwill be very different from his first five. The sunny optimist who loved to think big is now facing polls in which for the first time a majority of Americans say they do not trust him. "It's like it's twilight in America," says one frustrated conservative....


http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,112669...
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:09 AM
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1. "It's like it's twilight in America," says one frustrated conservative...
Welcome to our world, buddy. It's about time you got here.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:22 AM
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6. It's been the Twilight Zone in America since 2000
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:10 PM
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40. Good Dem Talking Point!
Twilite Zone is a great metaphor for the bu$hco era. "Time to Leave the Twilite Zone"....

And now they try sending in "the BIRDS" (flu).... Fear Mongers!

:kick:
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tanstaafl Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:02 AM
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84. Always darkest before the dawn
It is always the darkest before the dawning of the sun. So while it is getting darker in his Amerikkka it is almost morning in our America!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
23. No, it's morning at last.
Waking up after a long drunken slumber.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:32 PM
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50. And the hangover is almost unbearable.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 08:09 AM
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78. Twilight? More like a sunshiny day for the rest of us! A wounded and
lameduck Bush can only be good news for progressives in America, not to mention the rest of the world.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:05 PM
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86. amen!! and it's darker than twilight!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:12 AM
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2. "A Roveless Bush seemed unthinkable just a few months ago"
Not to me. :)


and even Lee Atwater died.

the problem is, someone always comes along and takes their place.

and it's certainly not this "It's like it's twilight in America"

Oh, the pathos of a true believer! hehehehe

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connecticut yankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:24 AM
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7. and that someone
is usually worse than the person replaced.

Although it's hard to think of anyone worse than Rove.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:46 PM
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57. he doesn't have any proteges, does he? maybe
(hopefully) atwater's legacy will end with rove. any chance he has an intern? :evilgrin: e-e-uww! sorry i brought that up.

ellen fl
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. He has protoges I am sure
These pig-vomit scumbags seem recreate themselves forever.
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RaRa Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:13 AM
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3. "He's weary..."
Boo fucking hoo hoo. We're all weary of you're evil ways, KKKarl.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #3
25. It's Hard Work Being An Unscrupulous, Partisan Hack Who Specializes
in playing dirty.
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #25
46. LOL You got that right...
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:15 AM
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4. "It's like twilight"
Bullshit, dawn is finally coming.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:15 AM
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5. dupe n/t
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:16 AM by Puglover
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:30 AM
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8. Now bush can add "We'll go no more a-Roving" to his iPod.
Let him hum that tune.

Whether Rove is at the White House or not, he'll still make his influence felt. He belongs in prison.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:16 PM
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41. From what I've read,
Bush can't do without Rove.

"Whether Rove is at the White House or not, he'll still make his influence felt."

True. Rove may leave the White House but he'll still be directing operations from behind the scene.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:31 AM
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9. twilight to the wackjobs and dawn to reality? ......... eom
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:32 AM
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10. Bush = sunny optimist ?
This description of Terra Man is so off base.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:43 AM
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13. A couple of times recently Tweety mourned Bush's "sunny nobility"...
...it's true. He went on and on about Bush's natural inclination toward greatness and wondered how soon his "sunny nobility" would return.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:24 AM
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18. Gaaack !
I hadn't heard that from Tweety. Natural inclination toward greatness and "sunny nobility" ???
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #13
79. I heard him, too, on that"noble" Bush segment. GAG
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:17 AM
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36. Yes, we all felt so sunnily optimistic when he was attempting to scare the
bejeebus out of every man, woman, and child in this country. That's the ticket, his reign has been infused with sunny optimism. WTF.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:37 AM
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11. FUCK Rove, his weariness, his lonely wife & kid, and his monstrous bills.
I read the article and had to wait until I stopped sobbing over Karl's plight, but now that I have, I just want to say FUCK him. You planted the seeds, scumbag...enjoy the harvest. Vile fucking PIG.

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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #11
24. Yes! Fuck him like he's never been fucked before. n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:03 AM
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30. YESSS!!! In his own inimitable words! nt
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #11
35. Newt Gingrich's face was priceless when they showed the poll
numbers are ABC This Week, the poll said that the democrats poll
17 points above the Republicans on who should control Congress.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:28 PM
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42. Fuck him? No.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
55. ROFL!!!!
:rofl:
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. No, No, no rolling on the floor.
That's what the basket is for! Silly person.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:40 AM
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12. Having Rove not indicted
has actually proven damaging to the White House. Bush had publicly said he would not allow anyone who outed a CIA agent to remain in his administration. Then he hedged on it. Now he has a discredited Rove in the White House. The result is that over 50% of Americans think Bush is dishonest.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Yes. The real picture is being disclosed.
Having said that, I want them all to suffer immeasureably for the damage that has been done.
I also wonder how dimson feels he's done this week w/o his brain.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:58 AM
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16. He will still be influential.....if he goes willingly. If he is
indicted, all his time, money and energy will go toward his court case...and he won't be accessable to shrub while covering his own sorry ass.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #12
43. And all we had to do in order for them to see that he is dishonest
is draw a 5-mile wide line connecting 2 dots of 30-mile diameter. Now they see.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #12
56. I think it's even more effective than a clean start: All the boo-whoos
here on DU thought the party was over. The longer the boy king reigns, the more fecal solids hit the venitllation system.

"PULL!"
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:56 AM
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15. his wife and only child, who is approaching college, miss him
He will need to spend more time with his family. These people are so predictable it's sickening.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:55 AM
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27. I'm having a hard time
imagining somebody actually missing him. Wife and child included. It would be like missing poison ivy, or a bad headache.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:40 AM
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74. he's spent plenty of time with his crime family
Guess it's now the other fam'bly's turn.

Good grief, can you imagine having a freak of nature like that around the house?




Cher
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:59 AM
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17. What this country needs badly is a ....
"Hall Of Shame" museum in Washington D.C., with all the infamous leaders of this country. Complete with big hand painted picture and feat of accomplishments. They could have people like Kissinger, Rove, Nixon, Reagan and a whole host of others.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:30 AM
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20. How about starting our own?
Spiro Agnew
Oliver North
G. Gordon Liddy
John Mitchell
Joe McCarthy

The list might be endless
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. It would have to be a hugh building to house a museum of
this sort. (Non-partisan of course)Can't bar Clinton & Monica with cigar painting.

Larry Flint has the wherewithal to get this show on the road. I don't!
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:27 AM
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19. Not Scotty!
Several well-wired Administration officials predict that within a year, the President will have a new chief of staff and press secretary, :cry:
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #19
28. not Snotty?
8^)
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
48. Maybe sooner,
heard somewhere that Dick Morris might be tapped for the job. Heh.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #48
89. Heh, who the heck would want to jump on this sinking ship?
"You want the job?"

"O HAYEL NO." :P
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 09:32 AM
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21. his wife and only child, who is approaching college, miss him
Well, the only child part doesn't fly. If the kid is going off to college, KKKarl already missed the entire childhood.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:46 AM
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26. It's not like rove won't be
on the horn with bush or monitered into his ear piece.

We just won't have as many pictures of his butt ugly self.

And what's this about rove with a wife and kid near college? Ugh!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #26
75. yeah, his wife's name is Darby



Cher
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 10:57 AM
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29. I have no doubt he's weary
Spearheading the destruction of your own nation can be VERY hard work, eh, Turd Blossom? Just ask your boss! He's commented on it numerous times. But since you say your work is almost complete, I guess it may be time to move on. I hear there are lots of rooms available at The Hague....
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. I think Satan has reserved a special level in the depths of Hell...
for his acolyte, Karl Rove.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:12 AM
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32. Joe Wilson is turning the screws on this toxic jello-ball
restating a simple case of retribution for outing the truth that could have prevented a preemptive invasion. Wilson demanded Rove's resignation last week. He'll go before being indicted is my guess.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:14 AM
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34. "toxic jello-ball"
:D
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:13 AM
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33. Just becuase the daddy of the xtra-chromosome people
resigns does not mean he is not going to continue to be an intricate part of this pewtrid admin. We just won't see him publicly at the white house but lets not forget he has the same direct line to * as God does.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:22 AM
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37. He has a wife and child?!?!
:wow:

But what I really find hard to believe is that anyone actually misses that fat unscrupulous dishonest shitstain.

I bet they are dreading the day he resigns to "spend more time with his family".
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:16 PM
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38. He can't use the "spend more time w/family" because he has a mistress
so the rumors say.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #38
49. Maybe he needs to spend more time with Jeff Gannon n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 04:47 PM
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52. I always thought those two were a pair. Never knew Rove had a wife.
LOL!!!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #38
80. that's Repug "family values" for ya
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Mike_The_Computer Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 12:27 PM
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39. I want to talk about, expose the secrets of, and smear Rove's wife.
I mean, she MUST be fair game, right?
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 03:49 PM
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51. Hey, there's an All-American idea!
Let's "out" Rove's wife for something. Better yet, let's make something up, a-la-swift-boaters style. The truth is what you make it, right? Ask Red Rover--he oughta know.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #39
76. If you think so, go ahead.
As Rove's wife, I think she's suffered enough.

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JWS Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:57 PM
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44. Oh boy oh boy oh boy!
The first time a majority are against him!

Delicccious!

I think that the first few elections let them get close enough to hack the vote, but exit polls differ from the results, not just two points outta the margin of error, but a number ofthem being 10 or 20 points outta the margin of error, a hack would be too obvious and things would be all too public. But the close races -they'll prolly get. I'm guessing our senate wins won't be close races at all.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. I hope you're right, JWS -- welcome to DU!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Welcome to DU!
I said this about the same topic, before:

CRANK UP THOSE TEENY LITTLE VIOLINS! You know, the world's smallest?


:nopity:

Welcome, JWS! Glad you're here to help us

Visualize IMPEACHMENT!!!
Then go DO something about it.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:11 PM
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53. He doesn't have the balls
Libby should have been fired. Rove should be fired. Rummy should be fired. Condi should be fired. Cheney should be fired. OMG he would have to think for himself. :scared:
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:20 PM
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54. If Rove quits, I will party like it's 1999.
God, I wish it still was 1999. Everything since then has SUCKED!

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 05:57 PM
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58. snif-snif. Hand me a tissue
"if Rove does head out, he may leave behind a wounded President who faces the prospect of having to abandon some of the pair's Texas-size dreams."
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:14 PM
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61. Rove might be through with us.
We are not through with him. Down to the deepest dungeon he must go.

Seriously, if he resigns, I would need a change of underdrawers in short order.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:56 PM
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62. Some Things Explode, and Some Things Implode
You Mr. Rove are the latter... you grew beyond your own means, so now you implode back into oblivion.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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63. Insiders say Rove may leave White House
United Press International

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051106-...

WASHINGTON, Nov. 6 (UPI) -- Karl Rove's colleagues are preparing for the possibility that he may leave the White House because of the CIA leak case.

Several Bush administration officials predict that within a year, the president will have a new chief of staff and press secretary, probably a new treasury secretary and maybe a new defense secretary, the magazine said.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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64. Oh please be true. . .seriously, please be true.
This would be fucking fantastic. What a great thing just before Chanukah 2005!!!

Please be true. Make one resign or get indicted each of the eight nights, with either Bush or Cheney gone on the 8th night!!! PLEASE!!!!
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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65. Good Riddance!
Hope it's true.
While we're at it, can we completely clean house and get a new President, and a new Vice President?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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66. let me guess who the Treasur Secretary will be
Andrew Card.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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67. UPI and the Washington Times are owned and ran by the Moonies n/t
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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68. Think his leaving...
is the result of a deal cut with Fitzgerald?
Just asking. I'd rather see him swing than step down!
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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69. within a year?
Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 11:22 PM by JohnnyRingo
That's too long for a this scandal ridden administration to survive with the current criminals in office.

If he doesn't clean house soon the republicans can count on losing the senate next year, then the House.
Barring election antics, I think it's already too late for them to hang on to power.

If anyone was truly on the fence in '04, I'm sure they see now what Republican rule gets them.

And welcome to DU

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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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70. A year? Man, they're too kind to themselves....
I give it a month at most.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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71. I dont think McClellen and Turdblossom will last till New Years____nt
nt
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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73. snotty and turdy to be wiped clean of White House
that's the headline i want to read. 8^)
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:18 AM
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81. FANTASTIC --- to clean up the mess
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:43 PM
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72. Still needs to be indicted
Allowing Rove to live politically is a terrible mistake.

He has been doing corrupt to illegal things since he's been 18.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 07:30 AM
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77. Maybe this week? Waiting and watch for Fitzie to move.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:21 AM
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82. have you noticed McCain and Newt Gagrich all over the airwaves lately?
Looks like they're getting ready for the BushCo implosion that will happen any day.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 09:25 AM
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83. Rove has a wife and kid!?
I thought he asked the new ed. secy. on a date??
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 11:42 AM
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85. WRT Rove leaving:
I didn't think you could quit the mafia.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:44 PM
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87. Goodbye Karl GoodBye Karl Goodbye Karl We're sorry to see
you go!!...NOT!!!
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 05:47 PM
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88. CNN-TIME: A White House without Rove?
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 05:50 PM by PhilipShore
CNN
POLITICS
By Mike Allen
Monday, November 7, 2005

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/07/rove.wh.tm /

Despite Rove's flashes of ebullience in recent days and the insistence of friends that he is out of legal jeopardy, several of the most important lawyers who deal with special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald said they saw more clues last week that Fitzgerald is continuing to look into the possibility of charging Rove with lying to investigators or the grand jury or both...
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