Four US Troops Killed In Iraq (# 1992)

[leftchick]

:banghead: :cry:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1236528

Oct 21, 2005 — BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Three U.S. Marines were killed by a roadside bomb west of Baghdad and in a separate attack a U.S. soldier was killed in Hit, northwest of the capital, the U.S. military said on Friday.

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The U.S. military said the three Marines had been on patrol when their vehicle was hit by an improvised explosive device.

"During the subsequent engagement, Marines killed two insurgents and detained four others suspected of involvement in the attack," the statement said.

The soldier killed in Hit died of wounds sustained in "an indirect fire attack," a term usually applied to mortar or rocket attacks.

[Verve]

1. Sadly, we'll likely hit the 2000th soldier around indictment time.

When is enough enough?

[rodeodance]

2. never.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

3. BEFORE....

Indictments might not make it out until next Wednesday. The 2,000 total is going to be reached this weekend.

[deutsey]

4. Plan a vigil in your community when we hit this tragic number

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3118

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

5. As we do a candlelight vigil,

BushCo will pop champagne corks.

[superconnected]

6. This should read 3 marines, 2 iraqis killed.

but oh, we aren't really counting iraqis are we.

Because, since I've been following the news, insurgent could mean 4 yo child who happend to be at a wedding, or, in it's moms arms durring a surprise night attack on their house.

[superconnected]

7. I wonder if the marines who died KILLED the iraqis who died.

Sorry, I'm just having a hard time feeling sorry for soldiers out killing people, getting shot.

Think God cares which nationality they are?

[tatertop]

11. I also view these deaths with mixed emotions

I know the soldiers should not be there
and I know they are only following orders
and I realize that because they are Americans most of them
have no idea what is going on in the world.
On the other hand, the great majority of the Iraqis dying are guilty of nothing.

[Verve]

18. Yet, most of our soldiers are still just kids scared s*itless!

They are doing what they are supposed to. They have no choice or they will end up killed or in a military prison. Most of these soldiers joined the military to make extra money for college. Many, in the National Guard, had no idea they'd ever go into combat. Yet, now they are enlisted, they can't get out! (Notice, how enrollment has declined since it's inevitable you'll be sent into combat?)

The sole responsibility of this horrible war, that has killed many of our kids and thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqis, lies solely with the Bush administration.

[tatertop]

23. Yes and no

No one has the right to kill without a well thought
out reason. I must admit I have no respect for men and women
who would fire on Iraqi women and children. None.
They have no right to carelessly take life
just because it is convenient for them.

[Verve]

26. 99% of our soldiers do not want to kill women and children!

99% of them do not want to Kill At All! Yet, that is their job and when faced with being killed or killing they don't have much of a choice. They are human, like us, not monsters. (There are the 1% wackos, however.)

These are normal young men and women who are going to come back and hopefully become productive members of our society (teachers, administrators, nurses, etc.). However, many of them are going to have emotional scars for life, all because of Bush.

Blaming soldiers is an extremely simplistic and foolish viewpoint! They are doing their job to fight for our country and our Constitution. Under a sane president, the military is a necessary and helpful part of our nation. Without soldiers, there would be no United States.

Please do not blame the messenger!

[tatertop]

29. We could not disagree more

Sounds like you are saying that striving for and expecting humane and thoughtful comportment from your soldiers (REGARDLESS OF CIRCUMSTANCE)aids the enemy.
That is pure balderdash (that, my friend, is what I consider
simplistic.) For - and in this case in particular - there truly IS no enemy. At least no enemy that is our concern.

When you start killing people, you have a moral obligation
to make damn sure your cause is just.
"In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place."
Sometimes I think all the wisdom of Gandhi has been forgotten.

Viet Nam was an unjust war, where are the reuseniks of our generation?
Men and women who saw an unjust invasion and said 'NO'!

There is nothing wrong with fighting for peace
when war is the wrong answer.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Um...what is it you think that Marines do?

All the touchy feely community bullshit aside, Marines are trained to kill and incapacitate the enemy. That's what they do. Kinda weird saying you can't have sympathy for folks who are out there killing people. It is a war, and in war people kill people. Kinda goes with the job.

[superconnected]

19. Then why should I care if they die.

Kind of goes with the job. Kill and be killed.

Sounds fair to me.

Plenty of other people are sympathetic though. Kind of goes with being an american and having one of our own killed.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. That's a bizarre response

Just because they are doing their jobs in a combat zone doesn't mean you can't feel sympathy when they die. A complete non sequitor. Weird.

[superconnected]

22. Ah okay, I mis-read your post.

I thought you said why should I have sympathy.

[tatertop]

25. That is a cop out. 100% pure cop out.

Why don't they realize they are killing innocent women
and children by the truck load?
Why don't they know that is wrong?

I am not impressed with the 'but they are trained to kill'
argument. Neither am I convinced by it. We are higher beings -
we make choices.
(We will never agree on this. That's OK.)

[Verve]

27. Your viewpoint is extremely simplistic and gives liberals a bad name.

Truly, you need to look at history. What we did to soldiers in Vietnam was disgraceful. We cannot repeat history!

[tatertop]

28. We could not disagree more

Sounds like you are saying that striving for and expecting humane and thoughtful comportment from your soldiers (regardless of circumstance)aids the enemy.
That is pure balderdash (that, my friend, is what I consider
simplistic.) For - and in this case in particular - there truly IS no enemy. At least no enemy that is our concern.

When you start killing people, you have a moral obligation
to make damn sure your cause is just.
"In matters of conscience, the law of majority has no place."
Sometimes I think all the wisdom of Gandhi has been forgotten.

Speaking of Viet Nam, where are the reuseniks of our generation?
Men and women who saw and unjust invasion and said 'NO'!

There is nothing wrong with fighting for peace.

[wildwww2]

34. War has never been declared. It is not war. But a war crime.

And the Marines, which I was one of at one time. (74-78) Are being misused. Their commander in chief is a war criminal and they are his pawns in the crime. The Marines who have gone to Canada and refused to participate in this war crime are the ones I have much respect for. I feel sorry for the rest. They are following orders like Lyndee England did. And in my opinion are just as guilty of less than human treatment of a people who never were a threat to us. Us being "We the People" of the United States. If anyone would tell me they are truly afraid of the Iraqi freedom fighters on the other side of the planet. I would know they were mentally flawed to the extreme.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Nitpickery and legalities

If you're deployed in a foreign country in combat, war is most certainly going on, whatever the former Marines stateside may want to call it.

[wildwww2]

37. It is certainly not a war. Just a slow slaughter of our troops.

A real war could be won. This war crime will never be won in a million years. And if the existing GOP slime that runs our country has their way it would last a million years. And still our Marines would just be cannon fodder and their needless deaths would have no affect on many people except for the poor excuse of "that is the path they chose". A turkey shoot is not combat. I wish they would let the Iraqi`s come over here to fight us. Like those morons keep talking about. A turkey shoot in reverse I could understand. Although it would still be stupid. Because it would never happen. Just like Bu$h`s war crime should have never happened.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

[newspeak]

8. and the deaths keep on coming....

I'd love to see some "chickenhawks" go over there and do their own fighting--especially in this administration. They need to see, up and close, the horrors of war. Love making money from it, but aren't willing to do the ultimate sacrifice. Oh, and Kissinger can go with them!!!! Let's see how he likes being "cannonfodder."

[marylanddem]

13. Yes, send Kissinger

That evil old warmonger has never answered for Vietnam & continues to
offer "commentary" via Leslie Blitzer, etc - time for him to put his ugly ass on the line.

[0007]

9. How much more can we stand before the troops start coming home?

This is the biggest waste of life's for absolutely nothing that I can think of, in fact it is murder by junior and his whorey crew.

The photo of dog sez it all, he looks more intelligent than our so-called president.

:hi: leftchick

[tatertop]

12. Many many many more.

Unless the American people organize and demand complete withdrawl.
If Cindy Sheehan cannot rally us to the cause I think no one can.

[marylanddem]

14. I was at the D.C. march

It was awesome with energy & anger - Cindy was there & we will fight on until this indecent ugly fraud of a "war" is ended.

[tatertop]

17. I hope we start building up some momentum

Time grows short

[0007]

24. There may be something to what you're saying.

I hope your wrong!

[UpInArms]

10. ...

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

weeping for my lost country, these lost souls, the lost families, the lost futures ...

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[deadparrot]

15. RIP.

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[superconnected]

20. I wonder how many soldiers enlisted after this war started.

It's still a free army. What am I supposed to say to a parent who loses a child in iraq, if I ever meet one. Especially if its a kid so I know dang well, joined during the war.

Kind of hard to go, I'm sorry, it's bushs fault. Even when the family is dem. It's more like, I'm sorry he felt he need to join and fight the corrupt war, and the enevitable happened.

Maybe I'll just be happy I haven't personally met one of the parents yet. I've seen them. I would have an easier time pitying them than their dumbass kid at this point. My liberal UCC church was having kids join left and right and everyone was praying for them last year. I quit going.

[newspeak]

33. my daughter

my daughter re-enlisted after I pleaded with her not to. See, she was inactive and was in military police. She changed her MOS to medic, thank God. After, she enlisted, she started getting the letter for her to report in from her inactive status. She'd probably be in Iraq right now, is she hadn't re-enlisted and changed her MOS.

[brentspeak]

30. Rest in peace

[Qanisqineq]

31. now it's 1,993

it just never ends

[leftchick]

38. and tomorrow...

:cry:



This Has To End.....

[twaddler01]

32. i would hate to see

the exponential mathematical formula for what is coming in the future........poor soldiers dying b/c of stupid Bushco....:grr:

[gulfcoastliberal]

36. "No withdrawal" & 100K more sez Hillary, They want us there! says Levin...

Nice big "fuck you" to the troops and their families from the "opposition" "leadership". I'm at the point where the dems know we need to leave ASAP but cravenly refuse to do the right thing. Traitors.

[cureautismnow]

39. We'll likely see 2006 before the year 2006 ...

What an utter waste of human life. Everyone of them died in vain. The remaining occupation forces need to be brought home the day after yesterday.

And if there is any ultimate justice in the universe, the evil man defiling the WH will indeed reap what he has sown someday.