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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:00 PM
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Raw Story: Names Wurmser as 2nd Cheney Aide Cooperating
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:03 PM by understandinglife
Second Cheney aide cooperating in leak probe, those close to case say

by Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold


October 19, 2005

A second aide to Vice President Dick Cheney is cooperating with the special prosecutor's probe into the outing of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson, those close to the investigation say.

Late Monday, several sources familiar with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgeralds probe said John Hannah, a key aide to Vice President Dick Cheney and one of the architects of the Iraq war, was cooperating with Fitzgerald after being told that he was identified by witnesses as a co-conspirator in the leak. Sources said Hannah was not given immunity, but was likely offered a deal in exchange for information that could result in indictments of key White House officials.

Now, those close to the investigation say that a second Cheney aide, David Wurmser, has agreed to provide the prosecution with evidence that the leak was a coordinated effort by Cheneys office to discredit the agent's husband. Her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, was one of the most vocal critics of the Iraq war.

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http://rawstory.com/admin/dbscripts/printstory.php?stor...


For the moment, he's not on the Think Progress list:
http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal

That'll likely change, soon.


Peace.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:02 PM
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1.  K & R
Merry Fitzmas, everybody! :hi:
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Gunit_Sangh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:02 PM
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2. aw you beat me
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:04 PM by Gunit_Sangh
just saw it also.

Rove/Cheney/Bush nuts roasting on a Fitzmas fire
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:02 PM
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3. Second direct connection to Bolton flips!!!
Both Hannah and Wurmser are direct links to Bolton. What can we make out of that?
:woohoo: :bounce:
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:13 PM
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12. can Bolton claim diplomatic immunity? eom
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:38 PM
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35. IMHO, No. He's not ambassador *to* USA.
nt
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:24 PM
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24. Smells like Bolton could be the source for the info on Plame.
What was his exact position before UN? NSA? Anyway, he has heavy intelligence background, I believe, from some testimony I saw at his confirmation hearings. VERY interesting that both flippers were on loan from Bolton.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:56 PM
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43. Bolton was at State Dept....you know, the folks with the Valerie Wilson
info (from State Dept's INR notes) included with the much mentioned State Dept briefing memo on board Air Force 1 in July 2003.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:04 PM
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4. Wurmser! You're dead to me!

GRRR!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:06 PM
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6. LOL
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belab13 Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:40 PM
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81. goddamn that's funny
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:05 PM
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5. Interesting. I'm off to google! n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:06 PM
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7. "Hannah and Wurmser were first named as possible suspects in the Plame ...
... leak by Wilson, Plames husband, in his book, The Politics of Truth."


Peace.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:08 PM
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90. The best source material keeps on giving, and is worth revisiting.
:toast:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:34 PM
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92. "Round up the usual suspects."
:hi:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:07 PM
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8. Wurmser bio
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:10 PM by Mabus
I found this yesterday:

David Wurmser, Dick Cheney's Middle East adviser, is a neocon ideologue who has participated in several key reports outlining the neoconservative agenda in the Middle East. In 1996 he helped write a report for Israel's Likud party that urged Israel to break off then-ongoing peace initiatives. The report, which was titled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" and was published by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (an Israeli- and DC-based think tank) advised then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "to work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll-back" regional threats, help overthrow Saddam Hussein, and strike "Syrian military targets in Lebanon" and possibly in Syria proper. Coauthors of the report included Richard Perle, Meyrav Wurmser, and Douglas Feith. (6)

In 2000, Wurmser worked on a strategy document published by Daniel Pipe's Middle East Forum and Ziad Abdelnour's U.S. Committee for a Free Lebanon that advocated a wider U.S. role in Lebanon. The study, "Ending Syria's Occupation of Lebanon: The U.S. Role?" called for the United States to force Syria from Lebanon and to disarm it of its alleged weapons of mass destruction. It also argued that "Syrian rule in Lebanon stands in direct opposition to American ideals" and criticized the United States for engaging rather than confronting the regime. Among the documents signers were several soon-to-be Bush administration figures, including Elliott Abrams, Douglas Feith, Michael Rubin, and Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs Paula Dobriansky. Other signers included Richard Perle, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Michael Ledeen, and Frank Gaffney. (1, 3)

Wurmser is married to Meyrav Wurmser, the director of Middle East studies at the right-wing Hudson Institute.

source: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/wurmser_d/wurmser-d....

originally posted on DU: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


David Wurmser
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:23 PM
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22. All roads lead to Likud
what a perfect name for a traitor. Wurmser.

Tom Clancy couldn't make this shit up.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:47 PM
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40. It's the Perle connection
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:49 PM by Mabus
"Wurmser is a close friend and political ally at the AEI with Richard N. Perle. Perle wrote the introduction to Wurmser's book "Tyranny's Ally: America's Failure to Defeat Saddam Hussein."" http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_Wurmse...

Wurmser to Perle brings us back to PNAC.


For a list of signatories of PNAC see, "Project for a New American Century (PNAC), A Complete List of PNAC Signatories and Contributing Writers" at http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/pnac-chart.htm
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:58 PM
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44. Yeah, where is that slimeball
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:58 PM by DoYouEverWonder
Sunning himself, like a fat naked lizard in his backyard in France?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
80. Perle? Sunning?
I think he lays out to Pluto.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Perle resigned in 2003- March to be exact...
Remember the report about his
meeting with the arms dealer?
This is getting really interesting.
BHN
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #46
56. I am walking on clouds!!! Two neocons flip!!!!
:wow:

This could be one of the most exciting events in U.S. History!!! :bounce:
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #46
79. I have long thought the unspoken rationale (and unthought
rationale by the dupe Bush) for this stupid war was the subordination of US national interests for those of Israel's (or at least those interests as they are perceived by the Likud) and that Perle et al had led the unthinking moron's Bush and Rice, and the greedy bastard Cheney, down the path to war with Iraq without Team Bush even knowing the neo-cons real motivation. Saddam was bad news for Israel. He was paying palestinian suicide bomber's families blood money. Getting rid of him short term did benefit Israel but the cost and collateral results to the US meanwhile are disastrous.
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:01 PM
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89. Don't really see how getting rid of Saddam has helped Israel.
I have trouble with the idea that "Getting rid of him short term did benefit Israel"

Suicide bombers are way too crazy to be worried about money for their families . . . in fact the situation in Israel did not improve at all when Saddam fell ,. . . maybe the problem is the policies of right wing Ariel Sharon, not the rhetoric of outside Arab leaders.

Also, IIRC, Ariel Sharon 'visited' the mosque in Jerusalem with 600 Israeli cops for 'security' in October(?) of 2000, thereby igniting the Intifada, scuttling Clinton's peace initiative and helping shrub to get elected. So you may be talking about favors swapped between crime families.

Saddam was a good whipping boy for an assortment of extreme rightwing Israelis and their supporters; But Bush's reign and the war in Iraq have made Israel a more dangerous and unstable place than it was, in the short term and in the long term, IMHO.

Unfortunately, a good many otherwise liberal New Yorkers that I have spoken to tend to support the war in Iraq because of the perception that it was 'good for Israel'. So maybe it would be a good idea to take a close look at the facts on this.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. We're not the only ones noticing
Just saw a thread on the Greatest Page: It's Time for Another *INTRO TO PNAC* for the New DU'ers
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:08 PM
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62.  MEMRI.... "co-run by Meyrav Wurmser, wife of David Wurmser"
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 04:21 PM by rainbow4321
http://simplyappalling.blogspot.com/2005/07/truly-forei...

MEMRI was founded by a retired Israeli colonel from military intelligence, and co-run by Meyrav Wurmser, wife of David Wurmser. David Wurmser is close to the Likud Party in Israel and served in Douglas Feith's "Office of Special Plans" in the Pentagon, where he helped manufacture the case that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and was linked to al-Qaeda. David Wurmser, who wants to get up American wars against both Iran and Syria, then moved over to Vice President Dick Cheney's rump national security team.

MEMRI is funded to the tune of $60 million a year by someone, and is a sophisticated anti-Arab propaganda machine. The organization cleverly cherry-picks the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials.

It carefully does not translate the moderate articles. I have looked at newspapers that ran both tolerant and extremist opinion pieces on the same day, and checked MEMRI, to find that only the extremist one showed up. It would sort of be as though al-Jazeera published translations of Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerry Falwell on Islam and the Middle East, but never published opinion pieces on the subject by William Beeman or Dick Bulliet.


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http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?p=51...

The principal author of "Clean Break" and a series of follow-on IASPS strategy papers elaborating the new balance of power schema for the Middle East, was David Wurmser, now in the Office of Vice President Cheney. Wurmser's wife, Meyrav Wurmser, another of the "Clean Break" authors, is the head of Middle East policy at the Hudson Institute, a neo-con hotbed, heavily financed by Lord Conrad Black, owner of the Hollinger Corporation and sugar-daddy to Richard Perle, who was installed by Black on the Hudson Institute board as soon as the London-based publisher poured a pile of cash into the think tank at the start of the Bush "43" Presidency. Meyrav Wurmser received her doctorate at George Washington University, by researching the life and works of Vladimir Jabotinsky, the founder of Revisionist Zionism and a self-professed fascist. Before coming to Hudson, she headed the Washington office of the Middle East Research and Investigation Project (MERIP), of Col. Yigal Carmon, a retired Israeli Army Intelligence careerist, who is hard-wired into the U.S.A. neo-con gang.

Meyrav Wurmser has taken the point in promoting the overthrow of the House of Saud and the American military occupation of the Saudi Arabian oil fields, through a string of Hudson Institute policy papers, commentaries, and seminars.

On Sept. 16, just as David Wurmser was going to Cheney's office to replace Eric Edelman, a longtime Wolfowitz protg now tapped to be the new U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, the Syria war drive was seriously launched. Chief arms control provocateur John Bolton was given the green light to testify before a House International Relations subcommittee hearing on Syria and Lebanon. That testimony had been held up for several months, as the result of a direct intervention by the Central Intelligence Agency, which issued a highly unusual white paper challenging many of Bolton's planned allegations of Syrian current involvement in terrorist operations and pursuit of weapons of mass destruction.

This time, Sharon and Cheney do not intend to wait five years to get their war. Unless they are stopped, their timetable is to have Israel launch war on Syria by November 2003. And heaven help the American GIs in Iraq if Sharon and Cheney get their way. As Lyndon LaRouche has demanded, "Beast-man" Cheney needs to be dumped from power within the next 30 days; and, along with him, the entire neo-con cabal. As Bush "41" and Karl Rove must understand by now, Cheney and his gang of "Clean Break" fanatics are the albatross around George W. Bush's neck, and time is running out.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:58 PM
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67. It all goes back to the Clean Break crew
These are the people who put loyalty to Israel over their loyalty to the US. I don't think most Americans are ready for this can of worms.



A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israels socialist institutionswhich include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous governments "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass including a palpable sense of national exhaustionand forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israels efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.

Benjamin Netanyahus government comes in with a new set of ideas. While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nations streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can:

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
88. Judy and Meyrav share the same PR person.........
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:44 PM
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82. A road to the most extreme elements in Likud, Bibi Netanyahu
The faction that Bibi represents is so far out in right field that they called Sharon a Nazi and a traitor for pulling out of Gaza. They are no different from those Republicans that think that Harriet Mier is too liberal on abortion.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:53 PM
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87. Really..........
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
96. and the pic even fits the name!
Seriously, every time I read that Rogue's List of PNAC neocon names, I get nauseous. Sheeple just don't realize how totally twisted these mofos are.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:04 AM
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95. Wasn't Wurmser briefly part of the OSP in the pentagon?
If not - he was tightly connected to someone there.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:07 PM
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9. Uncle Dick doesn't look too happy in that photo caption
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:26 PM
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26. Fucker better not die now!!! EOM
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #26
69. HAH! He still will have a life sentence to serve!
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:35 PM
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33. Looks simliar to John Emil List - referring to D Wurmser
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:39 PM by waiting for hope
Remember the guy who killed his mother, wife and three kids and up and disappeared for a while? :yoiks:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:09 PM
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10. Daily Kos link to story:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:54 PM
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55. AMERICABlog link to the story:
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:11 PM
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11. ! Thanks again, UL !
Kicked and Recommended
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:13 PM
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13. Someone has to say it
The WURMSER is starting to turn!!!

OK, groan away!!!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:17 PM
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17. Dayam, you beat me by 2 minutes.
The Wurmser turns indeed.
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The Roux Comes First Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
37. The Wurms Crawl In, the Wurms Crawl Out?
"The Wurms play pinochle on your snout!"
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #13
38. The early bird gets the Wurmser?
A little birdie named Patrick, maybe?

Keep groanin'...


:D
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:38 AM
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97. If the shoe Fitz... n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #13
99. *(pained groan)* Brilliant!
:rofl:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:14 PM
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14. oo ooh.. a -coordinated- effort!
Nasty. Cheney and co. are going dooowwwwnnn.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:23 PM
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21. OK, this is significant, BUT THEY HAD TO ALREADY KNOW
I mean, COME ON==the housing market is just at its peak, and will start to slide seriously in a few months to a year. Yet BIG DICK BUYS HIGH????? He bought his mansion in MD at the WORST POSSIBLE TIME. Why not wait a year???? After all, he is in public housing, paying no rent or utilities, now.

It just does not pass the smell test. This is Mr. Major League Asshole, who will squeeze every damn dime out of a government contract that he possibly can. Why buy high when you do not have to?????

He bought that house because he KNEW this shit was coming down, and needed a place to bolt to while still being close enough to slip into DC or over to Camp David to confer with the monkey. Lynne needed time to furnish it.

I hope Fitz thinks to get his office and the GJ room swept for bugs on a daily basis. Hell, it might not be a bad idea to keep a scratchy AM radio playing while testimony is being taken!!!!!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #21
39. Please, would you post this as a seperate GD thread? I think you're 100%
absolutely right!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. Here ya go, with cites, too!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #21
42. Yeah, I wondered that, too. Not necessarily about the condition of the
housing market so much, but the AMAZING coincidence of buying this nice, big mansion in nice, nearby Maryland. Nearby to where? Washington DC. Why would he need a house near there, when he already has the Naval Observatory, and his slew of bunkers and other assorted "undisclosed locations"? Was he anticipating that he'd need a place to flop after he was indicted/resigned out of there but still wanted to be close enough to where the action is so he can still pull strings and manipulate the li'l puppet easily. I mean, if he wants a nice home, what's wrong with his allleged home state of Wyoming?

I think you're correct - probably was desperate to lock something in, quickly, so lynnie-baby could get it all decorated and ready for move-in day after his frog-march. Yeah. Just seemed funny to me, too. After all, if everything was on the up-n-up, why was he looking for a new house? Shouldn't he have been all nice and cozy and cocky in the Vice Presidential residence - I mean, he had another three years on his lease. One would think the time to go house-hunting for dick and lynne wouldn't be until late 2008, no?
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:15 PM
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15. Ha, the Wurmser turns!!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:16 PM
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16. Yesterday evening I posted a link to "The F List" here at DU ...
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 01:16 PM by understandinglife
... :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And, I think you will all enjoy now returning to it and look specifically at this line:

Others believed to have testified:

John Hannah, David Wurmser (senior members of Cheney's staff) (Hotline sources)!!!

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/10...


Interesting about those "Hotline sources" don't ya thunk .....


Peace.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:21 PM
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18. Yep and drives me crazy when I cannot PM you and say "right on":)
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:22 PM
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20. shouldn't you be evacuating?
:toast: on the scoop(s), hoping for more!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:26 PM
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27. Yep, should be packing, but I am tiredddddddddddddddddddd
So eating french fries, catching up on other news, then drag my arse to packing up kitty, hubby, and parental units... plus bolt up the house... does the right wing have a direct conduit to mother nature (god or what not?) because I swear, everytime a big news item drops, there is a natural disaster... we must get those direct numbers to mother nature darn it, so we can call in a stand down order, lol.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:28 PM
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28. Not to worry kiddo!!! Just keep doing the great work and stay safe!!!!
:toast:


Peace.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:22 PM
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19. The underlings are turning the Aspens are turning!!!
Libby was right!!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:25 PM
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25. Well, if they are turning on DICK, then who is Judy protecting?
We all know the monkey cannot say four words in a row correctly. Maybe HE had a phone call with Judy, and HE was the one who said Valerie FLAME????????????????
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:33 PM
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32. Bolton, most likely, and Poindexter, perhaps.
Oh, Judy, maybe it was John Poindexter who told you the name

"Hopefully, Mr. Fitzgerald already has and maybe, soon, Judy will tell all of us that she remembered that her John is Poindexter, if not Bolton (or maybe it's both)."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


:evilgrin:


Peace.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:40 PM
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36. Rumsfeld.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:23 PM
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23. This guy? Say it ain't so!
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:30 PM
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29. That's why the name sounds familiar!
Thanks. For some reason I was thinking of this:

Weasel... Worm... I guess I wasn't too far off

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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:24 PM
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50. Actually, I think it was Animal House.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:22 PM
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65. dean wormer
Here he is meeting with one of the little bushies...



onenote
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the phantom shouting Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:32 PM
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30. I wish Hunter S. had lived to see this...
It's too bad he killed himself before all the real fun could begin.

R.I.P. Doc.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:52 PM
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41. Be assured, he is watching.
:)

eom
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:03 PM
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58. Note: Michael Ledeen again.
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 03:23 PM by EuroObserver
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:33 PM
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31. If this is true, and I think it is
It's all over for Dick and the entire administration. It wasn't enough to lie and get away with it, no, no, not for these punks. They had to beat up anyone who refused to believe them. This is giving me incredible pleasure; it's like watching the schoolyard bully get his ass kicked all over the yard.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 01:36 PM
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34. Great story, LaLa!
thanks for all your hard work.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:47 PM
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54. Are you leaving? You should be leaving FL, where are you located?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:11 PM
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60. Pasco County
very much inland. Don't think I am leaving - last time our friends tried to leave, the hurricane came to where they "escaped" to. We have a stocked safe room and a generator. DH is a builder, so we will be sticking it out here.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:02 PM
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45. Oh no! No Wurmser in the 2006 Revenge of the Nerds remake?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:08 PM
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47. Something from David Swanson I think you all may enjoy ....


David Swanson -- http://www.democrats.com/node/6531


Peace.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:24 PM
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51. The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Oops, that's WORMER. Sorry, wrong guy. HAHAHAHAHA.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:27 PM
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52. Wurmser and connections to Syria, Israel, AEI
http://www.lewrockwell.com/ips/lobe4.html

{snip}

A neo-conservative strategist who has long called for the United States and Israel to work together to "roll back" the Ba'ath-led government in Syria has been quietly appointed as a Middle East adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney.

David Wurmser, who had been working for Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, joined Cheney's staff under its powerful national security director, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, in mid-September, according to Cheney's office.

The move is significant, not only because Cheney is seen increasingly as the dominant foreign-policy influence on President George W. Bush, but also because it adds to the notion that neo-conservatives remain a formidable force under Bush despite the sharp plunge in public confidence in Bush's handling of post-war Iraq resulting from the faulty assumptions propagated by the "neo-cons" before the war.

{snip}

"Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, even rolling back Syria," the report argued, to create a "natural axis" between Israel, Jordan, a Hashemite Iraq and Turkey that "would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula." "For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East, which could threaten Syria's territorial integrity," it suggested.

{more at link}


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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 02:27 PM
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53. 0' Fritz is breaking these turds down like a double barrel
shotgun and putting 'em the corner and making pets of 'em. I love it!!
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:02 PM
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57. I can't take it anymore
So much tension that's building up -it's gonna make me decombust!
We know you want to! Do it already! INNDICT!
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:07 PM
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59. Wurmser, Hannah, Scooter, TurdBlossom... they all have PRISON NAMES
picked out already.

Seriously, did these pricks think of their names and nicknames in preparation for their prison life.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:24 PM
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70. In that case, life is going to be rough for George "Sweetbuns" Bush
(His new nickname. I've been channeling Harriet Miers. :evilgrin: )
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 03:21 PM
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61. Wurmser will probably find a dead horses head in his bed tomorrow.
Cheney has been seen kissing his close associates on the cheek...kiss of death.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:12 PM
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63. US Newswire media release on the Raw Story article
RawStory Names Second White House Official Cooperating With Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald

10/19/2005 4:44:00 PM


To: National Desk, Political Reporter

Contact: xxxxx

WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 /U.S. Newswire/ -- For the second time in as many days and the third time in a week, VelvetRevolution.us affiliate RawStory.com has scooped the mainstream media in the Valerie Plame affair and publicly named a second witness who is cooperating with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

"Now, those close to the investigation say that a second Cheney aide, David Wurmser, has agreed to provide the prosecution with evidence that the leak was a coordinated effort by Cheney's office to discredit the agent's husband. ... Wurmser, Cheney's Middle East advisor and an assistant to then-Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs John Bolton, likely cooperated because he faced criminal charges for his role in leaking Wilson's name on the orders of higher-ups, the sources said."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Second_Cheney_aide_cooper...

Last week, RawStory was the first to report that Fitzgerald was actively investigating Vice President Cheney and the White House Iraq Group. Yesterday, RawStory was the first to report that VP aide John Hannah had made a deal to cooperate.

VelvetRevolution.us analyzed the United States Sentencing Guidelines on October 7th and concluded that those involved in the Plame outing could face life in prison unless they cooperated with Fitzgerald.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/Content/Rove/Rove.php

It appears that some of those involved and their attorneys took that analysis seriously.

------

VelvetRevolution.us is a coalition of more than 120 organization and thousands of citizens dedicated to honest government.

http://www.usnewswire.com



Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:21 PM
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64. Jane Hamsher of firedoglake offers Larisa & RS deserved congrats:
All I can say for Raw Story is -- so far Larisa's been right, and way ahead of the curve.

If this is true, Fitzgerald has a frigging NeoCon choir on his hands.

<clip>

From Wurmser Sings Too? on October 19, 2005

Link:

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/10/wurmser-sings-t...



Peace.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:30 PM
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71. Ah, that will show Wonkette ... and thank you:)
Thank you as always for you kind support :) ;)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 04:57 PM
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66. The man


David Wurmser

Office of the Vice President: Middle East Adviser
U.S. Committee for a Free Lebanon: Board member
Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies: Former director
American Enterprise Institute: Former fellow
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:08 PM
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68. What we have here is a case of ...........
serial (cereal) leakers.........all under orders from the head Cheerio.
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Sweeties Mama Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:10 PM
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72. What ever happened to
going down to save your "Prince"? The "wurms" must not have met Machiavelli. Squirm wurms!! I love it!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:28 PM
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74. Welcome to DU.
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:28 PM
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73. Recently, billmon noted "... the key to breaking the case open was the
... alacrity with which top White House aides clawed their way to the tape recorder in order to squeal on each other."

A fun read, as always:

http://billmon.org/archives/002246.html


Peace.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:41 PM
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75.  "coordinated effort by Cheneys office" Well, slap me sily. Holy shit.
:wow: Evidence!!!!!!

Alex, I'll take Evidence for $400!
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:03 PM
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76. "Coordinated effort"; If they have someone on the inside laying out
a "coordinated effort" by Cheney's office to employ the leak against Wilson then this thing really has moved up to new level. We will see. How is it that rawstory can get this stuff before the WP or the NYT (I guess I already know about the NYT, they're conflicted because their employee is involved)?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:04 PM
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77. A note to our friends in the crazy mixed up world of I/P forum ....
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 08:05 PM by Trajan
David Wurmser is a mamber of this administration, a member of the PNAC, and a good friend and lackey of the scum who rule this administration ...

Meryev Wurmser is the wife of David Wurmser ... Meryev Wurmser is also the primary editor of MEMRI.com ....

Yes: THAT MEMRI.com ....

The very source that quite a few denizens of I/P use to expound their theories, that for one reason or another, seem to mimic those of the Likud and their supporters .....

And they wonder why we castigate someone for using THAT source in their arguments .....
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:17 PM
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78. I have sensed that by "transform the middle east" what the neo-cons mean
in part is to make it safer for Israel, at least from the hard right Likud perspective. And getting rid of Saddam and his payments to palestinian families of intifada suicide bombers arguably does this in the short term. That said, that is no reason to subordinate the national interests of the US to those of Israel, and I fear that is in part what has happened in the Bush' administration's decision to undertake this deeply stupid war.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:50 PM
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85. not that simple
You are talking about people who are as Jewish as Dobson is Christian... and NeoCons also, are of various religious backgrounds... what they want is what all fascist regimes have wanted or as Ledeen says "creative destruction" and they want an empire. Israel is as much not happy with this as anyone else and Israel is not who these guys represent.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:49 PM
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84. MEMRI is not an acceptable source in I/P forum
Any source that says "the Jews are all bad" or that says "the Palestinians are all bad" is not acceptable as a source in I/P forum.

For those that don't venture to the basement, the I/P forum is a "tight ship" as sailors would say. There is little room for nonsense, and you better be well informed on the issues no matter how you feel about them.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:51 PM
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86. ditto
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:44 PM
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93. Are you folks also looking at the Downing St. side of things? n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:47 PM
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83. Kick the can.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:22 PM
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91. It pisses me off that they limit this to "discrediting Wilson".
It was so much more than that.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 03:05 AM
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94. The time for justice has arrived and I can only say thank you God !!
For this great day and time period, let these evil people sit in jail for a very, very long time.

:kick:
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 01:51 PM
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98. Like rats deserting a sinking ship
Just trying to save their own skin now that they know it's doomed.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:50 PM
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100. Chimperor to fire Fitzpatrick?
Haven't heard that possibility mentioned on the discussion boards yet. These guys are much more dangerous and vindictive than Tricky Dick was, and he fired Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox.
"Will the White House decide to fire special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, and simply absorb the PR black eye, as Nixon did? There is absolutely nothing to prevent it. Can you imagine Attorney General Alberto Gonzales refusing on principle an order from President Bush?"
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/27128
No, I can't, now that you mention it.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:35 PM
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101. If Chimpy fires him, The CIA will bring justice down their own way n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:15 AM
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102. dKos: David Wurmser's turning: the last throes of the neocons?
Two days ago, Raw Story reported that David Wurmser is reportedly a second cooperating witness in the Valerie Plame affair. Subsequent research shows that Wurmser has been questioned three additional times in separate investigations for his role in leaks of classified information. More inside.

http://dailykos.com/story/2005/10/21/23268/971


These guys are so busted.


Peace.

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