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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:43 AM
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Rumsfeld: China Sending 'Mixed Signals'
Rumsfeld: China Sending 'Mixed Signals'


Wednesday October 19, 2005 11:16 AM

By ROBERT BURNS

AP Military Writer

BEIJING (AP) - Complaining of ``mixed signals'' from China, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Wednesday the communist government must demonstrate more clearly its interest in improving U.S.-China relations. He also lectured party officials on the lessons of democracy and free speech.

Rumsfeld cited a ``rapid, non-transparent'' buildup of the Chinese military and said this makes other countries, including the United States, wonder whether Beijing will hold to a peaceful path.

Rumsfeld also became the first foreigner to visit the headquarters of the Second Artillery, which has commanded China's strategic nuclear missile force since 1966. It was a visit that U.S. officials had repeatedly requested in recent years, and Rumsfeld's aides said it provided valuable insights.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-535...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:45 AM
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1. Translation: We want to takeover Iran and these bullies won't let us...
Waaaaaaa Waaaaaa
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:22 AM
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23. Here's my translation:
"Gee whiz, maybe it was a mistake for us to come over here and build all this industrial capacity for you guys while gutting our own. All that technology transfer prolly wasn't a good idea either. Although, since you have more spies in my country than all other nations put together, you probably would have gotten it anyway, huh? Boy, that sure is big Navy you're building... Hey! is that an anti-satelite weapon?..."

"Ooops."
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:56 AM
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27. The Chinese are second only to us in their dependency on foreign oil...
I've always maintained that our desperate need to control the oil in the near east is directly related to trying to control China.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:13 PM
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31. The US is clueless about
Chinese foreign policy. They don't have a clue about Chinese culture and the meaning of 3000 plus years of civilivation. It's the same with the Middle East. Ignorance mixed with arrogance is very dangerous.
Rummy will learn.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:47 AM
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2. Rumsfeld... China impersonating U.S. nt.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:52 AM
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3. Then stop sending mixed signals on Taiwan. n/t
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:54 AM
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4. This is from the Master of Mixed Signals
I don't even think the right side of Rummie knows what the left side is doing most of the time.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:48 AM
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8.  I thought he was the Master of Lies?
n/t
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 06:57 AM
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5. NO!! Not the notorious mexed missages!!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:03 AM
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6. I FN knew this crap would be in the article:
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 07:04 AM by pinniped
--Dummy also lectured party officials on the lessons of democracy and free speech.--

They would've harvested his brain but it is severely deficient.

Maybe this asshole forgot, but this POS and his cronies are the biggest killers of the 21st century thus far. Barring natural disasters of course.

--Dumbshit cited a ``rapid, non-transparent'' buildup of the Chinese military and said this makes other countries, including the United States, wonder whether Beijing will hold to a peaceful path.--

I bet the Chinese told him to F-off.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:14 AM
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13. That's the response he deserved.

Whining to the Chinese, "but you're not doing the way we want you to!"

Earth to Rummy and other neocons: It's not that easy to bully BIG countries.
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sweepster Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:12 AM
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19. Yes your right
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:13 AM by sweepster
Pretty easy to push around countries like afghanistan that had NO air force and no tanks and Iraq that had a little air force but did not fly any planes off the ground.

China is building up it's forces like it is going out of style.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:07 AM
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7. Thanks to 15 years of playing footsie with China..
.... in order to enrich American corporations (and Clinton is as guilty as anyone) we are now in no position to tell China anything.

China is very close to where is call literally tell folks like Rummy to "fuck off".
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:56 AM
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10. They're pretty much already there
but the Chinese are nothing if not patient... no sense in being hasty while your adversary is digging itself deeper and deeper into a hole!
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:49 AM
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9. This should be of concern. Nothing Rumsfeld does is good for this country
n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:11 AM
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11. I don't know who's worse, Bolton or Rumsfeld?
I think it is a dead heat.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:03 AM
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16. Isnt that a good question!
I'd say you're right.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:12 AM
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12. WTF?? Just when I think these creeps couldn't be any more
hypocritical:

" also lectured party officials on the lessons of democracy and free speech."

You mean, Diebold democracy? And "free speech zones?"
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:19 AM
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14. Considering Rummy's a living, breathing contradiction
his complaints are laughable.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:32 PM
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28. Yes. And let's face it: it takes one to know one.
RumsFool, if anybody, should be the Grand Wizard of Mexed Missages.

He lies, obfuscates, slides on the truth, skates, hums and haws, and Skis right through those congressional hearings. I've heard him, plenty of times. I know how he operates.

Thanks for posting the link, Callady.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:00 AM
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15. Hey Rummy, did you get the latest communique from Beijing?
They don't give a rat's ass what you think. Incoherent, gestering fool.

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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:04 AM
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17. China is the LAST nation these idiots want to piss off
Edited on Wed Oct-19-05 09:04 AM by Prisoner_Number_Six
They could wreck our economy without even breaking stride, and Rummy the Dummy is insulting them? Jeez, wot a maroon.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:08 AM
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18. Not much can be said about RummytheDummy!...n/t
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sweepster Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:16 AM
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20. We need to send more jobs to china to build up their middle class...
then they will buy more goods from us. (major sarc)

BTW: Any country that makes such cute stuffed animals and toys can't be a threat-can they??
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 09:30 AM
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21. Great observation!
It kinda ranks up there with "Giving large tax breaks to corporations so they can reinvest it in American workers and technology", don't it?

HAR!

BTW, Welcome to DU. :toast:

Also, try the :sarcasm: thingey. It's nifty.

:)

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 10:10 AM
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22. "Must"????
Somebody lock this idiot up where he can't hurt anybody.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:10 AM
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24. China is going to be a big problem in the near future/population issues
With their one child policy, and the lack of females, they will be looking to their neighbors, like Taiwan or Vietnam, for women.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:30 AM
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25. Still lecturing everyone
Rumsfeld cited a ``rapid, non-transparent'' buildup of the Chinese military and said this makes other countries, including the United States, wonder whether Beijing will hold to a peaceful path.

Hello pot, meet kettle:

" Gen. Cao Gangchuan cited a "rapid, non-transparent" buildup of the American military and said this makes other countries, including China, wonder whether Washington will hold to a peaceful path."

Knucklehead neocons. Well, you made them strong while you were making us weak, now you're going to lecture them about power?


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 11:40 AM
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26. Rummy telling China it needs to 'straighten up' is like
Satan complaining about all the evil in the world.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:33 PM
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29. Doesn't Rumsfeld have enough wars yet?
The man's a certified lunatic.
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callady Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:10 PM
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30. As to why


South China Sea Region
The South China Sea region is the world's second busiest international sea lane. More than half of the world's supertanker traffic passes through the region's waters. In addition, the South China Sea region contains oil and gas resources strategically located near large energy-consuming countries.

The South China Sea encompasses a portion of the Pacific Ocean stretching roughly from Singapore and the Strait of Malacca in the southwest, to the Strait of Taiwan (between Taiwan and China) in the northeast (see the footnote for a more precise definition). The area includes more than 200 small islands, rocks, and reefs, with the majority located in the Paracel and Spratly Island chains. Many of these islands are partially submerged islets, rocks, and reefs that are little more than shipping hazards not suitable for habitation; the total land area of the Spratly Islands is less than 3 square miles. The islands are important, however, for strategic and political reasons, because ownership claims to them are used to bolster claims to the surrounding sea and its resources.

The South China Sea is rich in natural resources such as oil and natural gas. These resources have garnered attention throughout the Asia-Pacific region. Asia's economic growth rates have been among the highest in the world, and this economic growth will be accompanied by an increasing demand for energy. Between now and 2025, oil consumption in developing Asian countries is expected to rise by 3.0% annually on average, with more than one-third of this increase coming from China alone. If this growth rate is maintained, oil demand for these nations will increase from about 14.5 million barrels per day in 2000 to nearly 29.8 million barrels per day by 2025.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/schina.html
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 05:48 PM
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32. The Chinese don't need an army
to defeat America. BushCo has mismanaged our tax system, corrupted our government, committed us to a war that is costing us billions of dollars a week, and made us into the debtor nation we are today.

America's economy is sitting in the electric chair. The Chinese have their finger on the button that can fry us crispy as KFC.

They can push that button any time they want to.
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:41 PM
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33. One of the downsides about losing the moral highground because
you engage in preemptive wars on false pretenses is that no takes you seriously when you complain about other's military buildups.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 07:53 PM
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34. Rumdrinker ought to tell US corporations not to trade with the enemy.
You know, treasonous things like that.

Doomsday clock: 23:59:02
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:06 PM
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35. Or he could threaten the Chinese by not letting them buy any
more US treasury notes.....oh, wait a minute, that would spike our interest rates and trash our economy......nevermind.
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:47 PM
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36. Headline: Pot Calls Kettle Black n/t
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 12:06 PM
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37. Rumsfeld to China: Citizens don't like being misled.
Mr Rumsfeld warned China's next generation of leaders in Beijing that limiting democratic freedoms of speech and information could have "dramatic" consequences once people realised they had been misled.

Speaking from first-hand experience he might have added.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/...
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