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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:32 PM
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Some in Journalism Turn on Miller, Times
NEW YORK (AP) - Reacting to a lengthy self-examination published over the weekend, some journalists have turned on The New York Times and its reporter Judith Miller, who only weeks ago was being lauded for her willingness to go to jail to protect a source.

A few media critics and academics suggested Monday that the Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter should be fired. Times Executive Editor Bill Keller, in a memo to staff, expressed the hope that the ruckus would subside but did not disclose what further action, if any, the paper would take.

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``It's not enough that Judith Miller, we learned Saturday, is taking some time off and `hopes' to return to the New York Times newsroom. As the newspaper's devastating account of her Plame games - and her own first-person sidebar - make clear, she should be promptly dismissed for crimes against journalism, and her own newspaper,'' Mitchell said in an online column.


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``The credibility of The New York Times is at stake,'' he said. ``She either needs to be given a clean bill of health, or she needs to be told that she can't represent the Times anymore.''

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5350700,00.html
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:40 PM
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1. That liar shouldn't be allowed to write for TV guide
She belongs in jail as far as I am concerned...and not for protecting her sources, but for propping up bush and his criminal assholes like Chalabi and company and leading this country into a war based on lies and bullshit.

This is not BTW the first time Miller has done this...she pulled the same thing in the 80's regarding Libya.

Google poindexter libya and judith miller--she has a long history of propaganda slinging and lying for the cons.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:44 PM
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2. Everything the Bush Administration touches turns to shit.
Now, it's the NY Times. Hope the good reporters all leave to a better place.
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The Roux Comes First Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 12:07 AM
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11. Practice makes perfect
Actually there was a pretty good stench to the Gray Lady's undergarments well before hopalong george showed up. The paper has had a terrific lapdog act for our growing corporatocracy going for years, and missed few chances piling on every trivial Clinton misstep with embarrassing gusto.

They were all prepped to crap their breeches again when this corrupt cabal took off. No training required.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:46 PM
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3. She went to jail to protect a source
but can't remember who the source is. :eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:58 PM
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5. Do you think Mel Brooks wrote this script?
"The inquisition, what a show!"

:rofl:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:48 PM
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4. She has the blood of many on her hands. The honorable thing to do
would be for her to __________. (You can fill in the blank)
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM
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6. No, I can't fill in the blank
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 07:13 PM by meganmonkey
unless I want my message deleted :evilfrown:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:21 PM
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8. Hamlet said it. "Get thee to a nunnery!" A life of penance, service to
the poor, and maybe some ashes on the head, following upon a full disclosure book with proceeds to the families of slaughtered Iraqis.

I don't believe in capital punishment (it truncates Karma, and doubles the evil when it comes back, in my opinion), or jail, for that matter. I believe in recompense. It's better for us all.

I think Judith Miller is the height of Bushism--chronic dishonesty wedded with mediocrity. Bushites are jealous of honest, intelligent, highly skilled, hard-working people who truly believe in something, and who sacrifice for their ideals of truth, or democracy, or honor, or whatever they believe in. Bushites--as a generalization--are incapable of holding ideals. They seek cheap ways to look good, and to pretend that they believe in something. They are often glib, but if you listen for a while you begin to hear this strange monotone, as if they were reciting other peoples' thoughts. They often say things that sound irrational, not based in any evidence, nor in wisdom, nor in good policy, not founded in anything solid, and are completely lacking in any understanding of history or humankind's cultural development. And when they observe people who do have integrity, who do have a solid foundation and real beliefs, and who speak truly from their hearts, souls and intellects, the Bushites hate them. They hate them more than anything.

Judith Miller vs. Valerie Plame. Someone who has faked it all her life, vs. someone with real accomplishments and dedication.

George Bush vs. Joseph Wilson. A coward, a puppet, propped up all his life by his name and his riches, never accomplished anything positive, everything destructive--of lives, of our country and its Constitution, of our progressive culture; careless, callous, thick-headed and overly self-regarding. Vs., a man of courage, willing to take on a highly dangerous regime, a dedicated public servant who finds all his own ideals and sense of what is honorable being sullied, and acts to correct it, and does so with energy and intelligence.

It's quite interesting to me to read Wilson's remarks on Miller. He talks of her as "collateral damage" in the Bush dissent-smashing machine, comparable to the injury to his wife. That is quite generous, it seems to me, even gallant. He's not interested in piling on Miller--however wrong and criminal she has been. He wants justice; he wants the highest perps, the masterminds, disempowered and exposed for what they are.

What contrasts!

There are, of course, the Darth Vader Bushites, the ones with twisted intellects and the very greedy. They, too, are glib, and they, too, believe in nothing, in my opinion--except how to create and exploit opportunities for grand-scale looting. They are opportunistic Nazis; their goal is profit, not social transformation; greed trumps ideology every time. They are not into building anything, not even a fascist state. They have no interest in governing. They create chaos--and break down and destroy structures of accountability--in order to steal people blind. And their thin-brained, thin-souled followers--the ones who seem like they are always faking it; the incompetents, the mediocre, the non-solid people--are just dupes of these greedy bastards. A few Bushites--the neocons--have an agenda, for sure, but I think they, too, are just being used by the war profiteers and the global corporate predators, as are any of the rightwing Christians who might be sincere (not the leaders, who are simply into power or money).

Judith Miller falls somewhere in between a mediocre follower and a neo-con dupe. She is so hollow! It's as if she's been lying for the war profiteers for so long that she has no center any more. And I think she's very typical of those who have sold their souls to the Bush Cartel. Incredible things come out of her mouth--for instance, that she's a journalist protecting her source. How can she believe such tripe? Well, she may have come to believe her own lies. Who knows?

Anyway, I see her as loathing Valerie Plame, and being utterly disdainful of Plame's lifelong achievements. Miller couldn't even write a book without being guided through the subject by a germ warfare expert, David Kelly. Glib, exploitative, empty. Like Bushism in general.

And if she wants to develop a soul, she will have to do a gentle but lifelong penance, if she can ever recognize what she has done as wrong.

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 02:53 AM
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12. Excellent observations, Peace Patriot
Most of them are simply un-evolved souls, who must be frustrated at having wealth and power, but inwardly realizing, even at some dim level that they lack a necessary component of humanity. True self awareness is something their money can't buy. Some of them, the extreme fundamentalists, have to remain rigid because they lack the capacity to make judgments based on what is truly good, or what is spirituality uplifting. It's far easier to follow the harsh dictates of what their leaders tell them, and doesn't challenge their moral compasses.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:22 PM
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7. I feel so gratified because
I set someone straight today who thought little judy miller was a martyr and standing up for her Constitutional rights.

Told her that judy was much worse than jason blair and even compared her to mata hari.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:19 PM
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9. Some in Journalism Turn on Miller, Times
NEW YORK (AP) -

Reacting to a lengthy self-critique published over the weekend, some journalists have turned on The New York Times and its reporter Judith Miller, who only weeks ago was being lauded for her willingness to go to jail to protect a source.

A few media critics and academics suggested Monday that the Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter should be fired - both for her coverage of the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and for failing to explain how she learned the identity of the CIA agent wife of a Bush administration critic.

"It's not enough that Judith Miller, we learned Saturday, is taking some time off and `hopes' to return to the New York Times newsroom," Greg Mitchell, the editor of the journalism trade publication Editor & Publisher, wrote in an online column. "She should be promptly dismissed for crimes against journalism, and her own newspaper."

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2005/oct/17/101709637.html
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:19 PM
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10. Ya cause she gives Journalist a bad name Propogandist
We have State Media now!!!
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:44 AM
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13. Some media observers call NY Times leak report insufficient
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/10/18/some_media_observers_call_ny_times_leak_report_insufficient/

NEW YORK -- A long tell-all by reporter Judith Miller and The New York Times has done little to exonerate the newspaper for its handling of the case in which a CIA operative was exposed, media observers said yesterday, and raised new questions about journalistic ethics.

After the publication in the Times on Sunday of a 5,800-word account of the saga, some media analysts called on the influential newspaper to dismiss the reporter and others said it needs to give a fuller explanation.

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''It's quite possible that of all the scandals and disturbances that the Times has gone through, this is the worst," said Michael Wolff, a media critic for Vanity Fair.

<snip>

''She subtracted from public knowledge by introducing this unknown source whose name she couldn't remember," Rosen said. ''It's almost like the gaps in the Nixon tapes."

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''She should be promptly dismissed for crimes against journalism and her own newspaper," wrote Greg Mitchell, editor for the newspaper trade journal Editor and Publisher.

...more...
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