AVN: Max Hardcore Raided by FBI

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Article...

(((WARNING - Above link is NOT Work Safe or Kid Safe. It goes to Adult Video News which often has graphical add banners with nudity.)))

Max Hardcore Raided by FBI
By: Peter Warren
Posted: 1:30 pm PDT 10-5-2005

ALTADENA, Calif. - Max Hardcore’s studio, Max World Entertainment, was raided approximately 10 a.m. today by FBI agents searching for five titles being investigated for obscenity by the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS) of the Department of Justice.

The titles under investigation are Pure Max 16: Euro Version, Max Hardcore Fists of Fury 3, Max Hardcore Extreme Schoolgirls 6: Euro Version, Max Hardcore Golden Guzzlers 5 and Max Hardcore Golden Guzzlers 6.

<SNIP>

“Once again, the government is wasting tax dollars and otherwise invaluable law enforcement resources to try to force a minority view of morality on all of America. Five movies have been targeted by the Federal Prude Patrol. There is no indication of any crime to be alleged except obscenity. If indicted, I will fight to protect my liberty, as well as the liberty of consenting adults to watch other adults engage in lawful, consensual, pleasurable sexual action. Shame on the Bush Department of Justice. I am proud of the movies I make and proud of those who buy and sell those movies.”

--------

Remember those "FBI Porn Squad" stories last week or so?? Here is the start of that crackdown.

Sounds like his style. Must be a whole squad of G-(string) Men on the loose out there looking to get freebies?

In a speech he publically stated that prosecuting adult obscenity was a higher priority than child porn....

It's what they do when their world is collapsing around them.

Bye-bye 1st amendment! Next up, that favorite of Olly North repukes: 5th amendment. No more double jeopardy, that seems to be on the way out, too. They will try people multiple times.

to look 14-16. It's all in the eyes. I have no experience w/ this site - and I did not want to click further in.....

If that is what they are selling.... there is INDEED a problem.

Adult porn is fine w/ me. Photoshopping to make them look like kids is not.

edited because right and left are somtimes confusing...?

on. My friends often tease me about it. I have an odd body type, or as my friends like to tease me- I have the body of a 12 year old boy. (And I'm a girl)

She is the only one there - her face is 14-16, and her bod is 24+

Not to mention that it is not illegal to have nudity when an adult actor portrays a minor - Otherwise hollywood movies like "The Blue lagoon" become illegal.

There are many people working who simply LOOK 14-16. My friend Violet Blue used to easily pass for a high school girl, and she was 22 then.

i don't think that's why they are being attacked. Form the titles of the vidoes, it sounds like extreme fetish stuff. When did that become illegal?

Underage shit is not.

you are seeing things.

underage. It's all in the eyes. That is what is disturbing.

Hubby and I enjoy 'the good stuff' but the underage shit is sick.

it was NOT photoshopped. It's lighting and she in no way looks like an underage girl. you are overeacting.

Dude, she looks like my 15 year old neice!

Look at the eyes.

her eyes look 'porn' normal. she's staring that 'the consumer'. overeacting.

Honestly, how old does she look to you? Don't reply immediatly....think.

i would never mistake a women that looked like that as a 16 year old. sorry.

she looks about 25. you need your eyes checked.

I'm not sure we are on the same page.

it's the girl posing with the saggy tits facing away from us. She's in her fucking 20s and doesn't look underage.

How could you mistake her for a schoolgirl with all those tattoos?

Geeze.

ie- nipples way high and bottom way low?

Uh, yeah, that's her and 2 others.

This is the problem with anti-porn folks. You look at a photograph of a model and you read anything you want into them-- all the vulnerability and pathos you want to invest in their image. Meanwhile, most people don't give a good goddamn about their ACTUAL working conditions (unless they're children).

Porn companies must SO STRICTLY adhere to 182257 Laws (documentation) that you have a better chance at picking up an underage girl in a geriatric center than finding one in a legitimate porn. Two forms of US issued photo ID, photocopied and kept on file for each model.

They're legal. This is just harassment.

That's waaay f*cked up.

that thinks she looks underage.

YOU know the truth. If you are indeed looking at the same image.

she looks like an adult.

macromedia. we are looking at the same pic. not 16 looking.

Post what YOU are looking at.

please keep up.

why would they not let you poist a pic (on the front page) from their site? sigh.


GET IT !?!?

and it's a rotating ad?

they use it for easily rotating ads. if they had something they didn't want people to see, they'd...i dunno, not put it on the Internet for everyone to see. Of course, none of these ads are offensive beyond the softcore nudity, so it's a non-issue. you have the issue

Wake Up.

that I have seen over the last hour or so.

and don't forget your medication.

I will have a hard time sleeping. Hubby is in Fl - no sex. I will be stuck with this sicko little universe in my brain.

I should have never responded to the first post. Now I'm gonna





And go to sleep.

This girl is over 18. She IS made up to give the impression that she might be younger, bit last time I checked, that was 100% legal in the USA.

Will you be burning Nabakov as well?

They didn't photoshop her face (aside from the eyes). They appear to only photoshop those w/ young bods and pretty faces.

They want her to LOOK under aged. They want the appearance of an under aged girl having sex with older men. That's why max hardcore has them call him "Daddy." I don't know why he slaps them, fists them, drives his penis down their throats until some actually puke on him, and then pisses into their mouths. That must be just because he can. But as some on here say, it's just good "fun."

Max hardcore is a misogynistic asshole. I'd kick his ever-loving ass if I EVER saw him for real just on GPs. I appreciate a good porno like the next guy. Max's crap is just that, crap.

... simply do not look their age. Trust me on this, these people have their usc 2257 paperwork in order.

And the FBI knows it, this is just harassment.

Yes, I find the use of models that "look" or are dressed / made up to "look" under age offensive. I think men that want to look at that sort of crap have problems and should seek help. But there is no law against it and we should be a nation of laws.

Although it's not likely what gone him busted, many of Max's porn now features Max sticking his hand down the girl's throat until she vomits on his genitals. A porn starlet I know told me about her scene with Max - it almost turned her off of the adult industry for good. I've seen some of his work. Not my idea of erotic, but to each his own.

But is that a good reason for it to be illegal?

nt

Actually in most states and on the federal level, ANY hardcore tape - no matter how vanilla - is technically illegal.

Because we don't have prior restraint of free speech in this country, what happens is an overzealous prosecutor goes into your store and finds the raunchiest movies and buys them.

You are then charged, and have to defend yourself in court. It is up to a jury to decide that the movie is "obscene" and therefore illegal.

It is simply not worth the time and cost to most reasonable prosecutors.

My cousin, who is now 43 and still looking in her 20s, has a few older pictures of her up at her house. As a joke she'll ask people to guess how old she was in the pictures. I seriously guessed 12 on one in which she was 26. It's crazy. =P

it's all in the eyes...

i've reloaded the page several times, and i don't see a girl that looks 14.

The one I am speaking of is a blonde w/ a VERY adult bod, and VERY young (confused, shocked...) eyes.

You know Violet Blue?! Tell her I enjoyed her scene in Ass Appeal. Cool.

Not meaning to name drop, though, but I needed a real example.

I may have to contribute to your website. You really are fighting for the 1st amendment.

No way I can see what you saw except by dumb luck.

and the eyes were 14-16. Innocent, confused, shocked.

I didn't realize they shifted.

that's obviously lighting and not photoshopping. I think you are overeacting. She's just giving a sexy glare.

you are overeating.

I like the adult stuff. The blonde that I see on the left is an ADULT photoshopped as a teen.

it's not photoshopped.

thanks for accusing me of liking child porn, btw.

I've reloaded the site about 10 times, and there are many ads. I don't see any girl that looks underage

WHICH ad are you all talking about? WHAT does it advertise?

Thanks

Lots of eyeliner. A scared innocent look.

a girl posing, with her butt to the cam and is staring (with huge saggy tits facing away from us).

You are looking at the wrong pic.

but whatever, she looks like an adult.

But that is beside the point. THE MODEL IS NOT A CHILD. SHE IS PHOTOSHOPPED TO LOOK THAT WAY.

GET IT.


The shot appears to have been erradicated from the site. I have searched when not responding - she has somehow disappeared.

the ads rotate. the girl you are talking about is not photoshopped (for the 100th time) and she doesn't look underage. i'm looking right at it and it looks run of the mil. If you hadn't made a big deal about it, it wouldn't have caught my attention. It's not that special.

What are you looking at? Post a pic. Please.

and my question asking WHAT the pic was advertising must have been too vague to the people who answered with a description of the girl in the ad.

and had an ADULT body. I have 'refreshed' many times.... she is not coming up.

when you keep asking a question i've alrady answered 10 times. If you can't find it again, tough shit.

the site will not let you.

HMMMMM

Yeah

Wonder Why?

Insult me after the site lets you post a pic.

to let you tinfoil by yourself. I don't want to catch your insanity. bye

A friend of mine was a D cup in the fifth grade, at 22 she's an F cup and has to special orfer bras. Needless to say they ain't perky and never really were so for a time she quite legitimately had a child's face on a rather adult body.

I on the other hand have the face of an adult on a body that's still waiting for puberty. The disparity doesn't mean much.

In any case the women who are depicted as younger than they are tend to be a bit lacking in the mammary department, so if she's a little photoshopped around the eyes it may be to clean up tired eyes or whiten up the whites of the eye (a rather common adjustment) or something and perfectly legit like that.

and finely formed - think porn.


PS - the pic's alternate - you can catch it if you refresh multiple times.

i don't think it's photoshoped (which isn't illegal and not what this is about). And she doesn't look 14 either.

and that it is hard to pinpoint the shot I am speaking of.

... looked like a 16-year-old. She was 26 and also modeled on the side.

When I brought my staff (interns included) out to Virgil's BBQ in NY for a pre-Christmas blowout about ten years ago, she got carded on the way to the bar area by a new (uncharacteristically snooty, WASPy, Republican-looking) greeter: "You can't be any older than sixteen." Gina opened her purse and presented her passport, her Ford Agency ID, and her Princeton Club (Alumni) ID, smiled sweetly, and said "Any more questions?" The bartender -- a friend of mine who authored the indispensable "The New York City Bartender's Joke Book" -- got an earful from me and the rest of my staff.

Said "greeter" was not seen anywhere near Virgil's thereafter, though I wouldn't be surprised if she got a job at, say, Focus on the Family, the Republican National Committee, or the Church of Satan.

I hope she would not. Cuz that's just SICK.

and is not faked.

Cuz the one I saw was waaaay different.

it's macromedia. we are looking at the same pic and she doesn't look 16.

There are many petite, tiny breasted, and completly flat chested girls in porn. These girls are used to convey an idea of 'underage'.

when a porn producer wants to give the impression that a girl MIGHT be underage ( and Max Hardcore does ) he will also have them wear pigtails, school girl uniforms, or other 'girl's clothes'.

as i stated before.

take off the tinfoil hat

Is what that particular Adult film genre and producer "Max Hardcore" is about. If it sounds sick it pretty much is...but it is also perfectly legal and within constitutional limits. The people involeved are all consenting and over 18 but they use photoshopery, make-up, costumes, and some of the most violent carnal sexual acts I've ever had the misfortune to witness. I'm a healthy heterosexual man and I would avoid every having to see something like that if I have the choice.

I was at a stag party a few years ago and someone put in one of this guy's tapes as a joke. It's pretty disgusting stuff. When a bunch of 25 year-old well-balanced and healthy guys are shouting "TURN IT OFF!" you know it is not exactly mainstream adult entertainment.

Sorry if I put any pictures in anyone's head...but Max's stuff is pretty tough to defend.

It was also quite disturbing.

and you must have a low level of tolerance if you think it's 'disturbing.'

Hubby and I are interested in similar work... but the underage look is WAY WRONG!!!

overeacting.

Photoshopped? Nah, she's about 21. And what is the differnece between looking 16 and 18 anyways. Get real here.

its in every porn mag out there. women dressed a little girls, complete with pjs, teddy bears, high school outfits, pigtails, etc... its disgusting. the little girl looks is also why most porn features women with shaved pubic hair. thats where it began. in photo shoots that portrayed women as girls. its everywhere.
now fetish stuff, if folks get turned on by leather and chains, golden showers, bdsm, whatever, thats between consenting adults.
that being said, the fbi has a few more pressing matters than going after alternative porn, say, TERRORISM, corrupt political officials, and hey, i know, how about REAL CHILD PORN. i'd compare it to the 'war on drugs' that focuses almost exclusively on marijuana, while the true dangerous drugs don't get the attention they deserve.

she's just naked with a tatu. that's it.

i keep telling you it's a rotating MACROMEDIA ad and it won't let me? You are getting on my nerves.

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a dick, but all I am hearing is Blah Blah Blah.. I've had the site in the background for almost an hour, and have yet to see the pic.



What are you looking at?

your outrage is boring now. bye

ANYWHERE I SEE THIS SHIT IT IS SOOOOOOO F*CKED UP!!!

Yeah, sure right. I'm sure that over 40 dresses their models up in cheerleader outfits. Geesh.

Yes, there are a couple of mags that focus on teens. Eighteen is one of them - and most of the time the girls look 18. Barely legal is another that has lots of 18yo's, but they look 18 most of the time.

The only mag that I can think of that features girls that are meant to look underage is live young girls. It is a pretty disgusting mag - but their models are all 18+

Otherwise, penhouse, playboy, hustler, score, ultra, hawk, tight, etc. All feature models that look like ADULTS.

You are making an unfair characterization of an entire industry.

Because apparently your moral values are better than everyone elses', even when the girls are, in reality, over the age of 18?

The KKK says some pretty nasty things. Should their opinions be outlawed, as well?

And I'm pretty far from having a low-level of tolerance.

If he makes tamer stuff then so be it. What I saw was hardly tame. If I could bring up the particular name of the film I would. The part that really sicked me was how little the female party involved seemed to be enjoying it...actually hating it. If that was an act then so-be-it, but it was a turn-off to all the guys in the room...and no one I know of was extremely holier-than-thou religious.

an ad on the site that has a girl posing, with her butt to the cam and is staring (with huge saggy tits facing away from us). That's the thing that's being made out as "photoshopped" child porn.

As for these extreme vids, i haven't seen em and i probably wouldn't be interested.

They may be photoshopped, but I don't see it and the model looks 18+.

Max though...yeah, you realy don't want to see 'em. Just thinking about this few seconds of film that I watched is still burned in my brain is an unpleasant experience.

I have no problem with adult entertainment, but what I saw was hardly mainstream.

then don't go at that site anymore.

Then again Max is pretty disgusting. Someone put one of his films in at a bachelor's party I was at...pretty sick stuff...but all perfectly legal and within constitutional rights.

and it sounded like over the edge stuff ... like not really with porn stars, and possibly doing things that the participants didn't want to do.

eech.

Porn's great, but not like that.

It's pretty fricking vile. It actually turned most of the guys off to watching stag films and pissed off the entire crowd at the bachelor party.

As I said before, in most states the most vanilla porno is ILLEGAL.

It is just not worth the time to prosecute and hard to get a jury to convict - well, except when you show them something like a max hardcore tape. Then anything that goes beyond the jury's sense of good taste should throw the maker in jail.

Max Hardcore has NOT been raided for child porn. We are talking about ADULT obscenity.

I hope that porn guy is attacked by ninjas for "Fists of Fury 3".

Re: http://chosis.coldfusionvideo.com/fistsof.htm

Searching for titles? Confiscating and impounding video discs? Gimme a break. This is just a ploy to move the "industry" offshore where it will be run by some Bush crime family subsidiary or a Bush brother or relative in cahoots with Saudi investors.

Homeland security? Saving America from Golden Guzzlers? Glad to see the FBI is HARD at work making us safe from the terrorasses.

while in any major city of your choice REAL CHILDREN are being shopped out in some neighborhood. Cops know it's there and where to look for it but don't have the resources to hunt it down.

The FBI has a squad of guys watching porn all day and arresting hookers in New Orleans. WTF?

even a liberal socal jury, and when that happens, the prosecutor has a shot at a conviction given the open ended nature of what "obscene" is. That said, until the Department of Justice is ready to indemnify us against another Al-Quada attack, what the f---k are they doing devoting any resources to this.

My girlfriend has a member account and while we were browsing the site today we found that many photos had been replaced with text saying something to the effect of "Ask Alberto Gonzales why you can't view this picture - for more info click here." We clicked and came to this message from Missy - the founder of suicide girls (an "alternative" pin-up-girl site if you are unfamiliar - strictly softcore and some fetish stuff).

link - http://suicidegirls.com/boards/Everything+SG/81705 /
Our statement on this controversy is this...

While we do not believe any of our images are illegal, SG has removed a number of images in order to ensure that we are not targeted by the U.S. Government's new war on porn.

We have received no formal government notice to remove these images, however in the course of our involvement, as witnesses, in a federal criminal prosecution that does not target SG, we have been made aware of the risks posting such content poses the owners of the company. Given the U.S. Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales' new war on porn task force and it's intent to bring obscenity charges against their loosely defined "Deviant" imagery, we have removed any images with fake blood and any images we felt could be wrongfully construed as sadist or masochist.

Given the natural disasters in Louisiana and Texas, the U.S. Government's numerous foreign war's and the growing U.S. deficit, we feel there are far better uses of government resources then pursuing the legality of imagery created by consenting adults, but as is usually the case, our opinions are not shared by the current U.S. Administration. Also, we really miss Bill Clinton.

If you feel strongly about this issue, feel free to join SG in donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Free Speech Coalition.

Yours Truly,

Missy Suicide"

Once again this administraion's dark cloud of fear promotes defensive self-censorship - Which is what happens without clear and unequivocal first amendment protections. A word like "obcenity" can potentially be stretched like taffy, in the right climate stretching beyond the porn ghetto and into the ideological realm. Imagine whole ideologies - like Atheism, or Libralism - being decalred "obcene" by the community's standards and thus criminalized? Extreme I know. But just to say it's always worth protecting the first amendment - even for someone's right to view someone with "underage eyes." (and really half the girls on Suicide Girls seem like they could be underage and that site is about as legitamate and mainstream as porn can get)

be w/in the 99th percentile sexually.

Amusing, but no match for the funniest porn title of the past twenty-five years...

"Weapons Of Ass Destruction"

out in the "mainstream".

.... but which laws have been broken?

what shoud we do? ban stuff we don't like? Should BJs be banned on porn too?

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

I want some of what she's been smoking!

On second thought, I don't.

If I had to ballpark the age of the girl in question, I'd be reluctant to even give her an age as young as 19 tho. And yes, just because someone likes some "cute" with their "sexy" doesn't make them sick -- and such statements are ridiculous and offensive. I, too, have a young looking wife. Some say she looks 16, but she is, in actuality, 28. I have no question about whether she is all woman. I enjoy that she is cute, but I would never touch a child any more than any other emotionally healthy adult would.

I'm bothered by the absolute and condescending attitudes expressed by some people in this thread, but porn is a touchy subject that tends to get people into "judgmental mode." I just want to say that this mode of thought IS HARMFUL -- it is the same tendency that will make fundies feel compelled to condemn people for having any sexual preference that they themselves don't share (e.g. homosexuality, anyone?) You know how to identify this mode of thought? That's right, it's the accusatory tone. Some people actually seem to get off on believing they are, in sexuality, morally superior to others. I think this is probably closer to an illness than knowing what you enjoy and practicing that with another consenting adult.

Edit just to be clear: I'm not familiar with Max Hardcore or any of his products. If he's hurting people, I'm in no way defending that. If he somehow has managed to use actual underage girls, I'm CERTAINLY not defending that.

He has been popped for ADULT obscenity.

But I will agree with you that most of his work is tasteless.

Abu Graib (sans dogs), or perhaps Fear Factor(with a little Marathon Man thrown in) with orifice stretching and cum shots, and you would get a flavor of some of Max' work. I do not know if the movies in question have this content but a lot of his work has it. The women consent to the treatment and are apparently paid above the porn norm for the work. For me, the bottom line is that given the justice department's colossal failure in stopping the 9/11 attacks (not timely getting the subpoena to search the Moussai's computer as urged by the field people, and processing and applying its own work product, like the Phoenix Memo, and putting 2 and 2 together, and its rampant translator deficiencies), it has no business devoting its resources to this issue which on its best day is at most nuisance.

It wasn't x rated.

the 1st Amendment, and anyone who doesn't like it can just shut the fuck up.

It's none of your business what other people do in their bedrooms.

We're liberals. Now start fucking acting like it.