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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:21 PM
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AVN: Max Hardcore Raided by FBI
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Article...

(((WARNING - Above link is NOT Work Safe or Kid Safe. It goes to Adult Video News which often has graphical add banners with nudity.)))

Max Hardcore Raided by FBI
By: Peter Warren
Posted: 1:30 pm PDT 10-5-2005

ALTADENA, Calif. - Max Hardcores studio, Max World Entertainment, was raided approximately 10 a.m. today by FBI agents searching for five titles being investigated for obscenity by the Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS) of the Department of Justice.

The titles under investigation are Pure Max 16: Euro Version, Max Hardcore Fists of Fury 3, Max Hardcore Extreme Schoolgirls 6: Euro Version, Max Hardcore Golden Guzzlers 5 and Max Hardcore Golden Guzzlers 6.

<SNIP>

Once again, the government is wasting tax dollars and otherwise invaluable law enforcement resources to try to force a minority view of morality on all of America. Five movies have been targeted by the Federal Prude Patrol. There is no indication of any crime to be alleged except obscenity. If indicted, I will fight to protect my liberty, as well as the liberty of consenting adults to watch other adults engage in lawful, consensual, pleasurable sexual action. Shame on the Bush Department of Justice. I am proud of the movies I make and proud of those who buy and sell those movies.

--------

Remember those "FBI Porn Squad" stories last week or so?? Here is the start of that crackdown.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:25 PM
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1. Ahscroft still pulling strings?
Sounds like his style. Must be a whole squad of G-(string) Men on the loose out there looking to get freebies?
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #1
127. Gonzoles is worse
In a speech he publically stated that prosecuting adult obscenity was a higher priority than child porn....

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #127
149. Grandstanding
It's what they do when their world is collapsing around them.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:32 PM
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2. Add the War on Porn to the War on Drugs
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:33 PM by gulfcoastliberal
Bye-bye 1st amendment! Next up, that favorite of Olly North repukes: 5th amendment. No more double jeopardy, that seems to be on the way out, too. They will try people multiple times.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:34 PM
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3. I clicked on the link.... the girl on the right has been photoshopped
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:35 PM by alittlelark
to look 14-16. It's all in the eyes. I have no experience w/ this site - and I did not want to click further in.....

If that is what they are selling.... there is INDEED a problem.

Adult porn is fine w/ me. Photoshopping to make them look like kids is not.

edited because right and left are somtimes confusing...? :silly:
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:36 PM
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4. What girl?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. She is the only one there - her face is 14-16, and her bod is 24+
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:12 AM
Response to Reply #11
122. I'm in my mid 20's and can easily pass for a teen w/ no make-up
on. My friends often tease me about it. I have an odd body type, or as my friends like to tease me- I have the body of a 12 year old boy. (And I'm a girl)
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #11
128. It's called make-up
She is the only one there - her face is 14-16, and her bod is 24+

Not to mention that it is not illegal to have nudity when an adult actor portrays a minor - Otherwise hollywood movies like "The Blue lagoon" become illegal.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Actually...
There are many people working who simply LOOK 14-16. My friend Violet Blue used to easily pass for a high school girl, and she was 22 then.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. yeah, and besides...
i don't think that's why they are being attacked. Form the titles of the vidoes, it sounds like extreme fetish stuff. When did that become illegal?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. ANY fetish stuff is cool w/ me.... It works.
Underage shit is not.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. there is no underage content
you are seeing things.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. That is not what I said - the blonde was PHOTOSHOPPED to look
underage. It's all in the eyes. That is what is disturbing.

Hubby and I enjoy 'the good stuff' but the underage shit is sick.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. again
it was NOT photoshopped. It's lighting and she in no way looks like an underage girl. you are overeacting.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. I guess my 15 year old neice just looks old for her age???
Dude, she looks like my 15 year old neice!

Look at the eyes.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #37
42. you are wrong
her eyes look 'porn' normal. she's staring that 'the consumer'. overeacting.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #42
44. 'Porn normal'..... damn. That's scary.
Honestly, how old does she look to you? Don't reply immediatly....think.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. in her mid 20s
i would never mistake a women that looked like that as a 16 year old. sorry.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. her eyes tell a different story....
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. no they don't
she looks about 25. you need your eyes checked.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #50
54. Please post the pic you are seeing.
I'm not sure we are on the same page.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #54
55. It won't let you.
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:31 AM by sonicx
it's the girl posing with the saggy tits facing away from us. She's in her fucking 20s and doesn't look underage.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. That picture?
How could you mistake her for a schoolgirl with all those tattoos?

Geeze.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #55
60. Saggy - ie: porn saggy?
ie- nipples way high and bottom way low?

Uh, yeah, that's her and 2 others.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #49
59. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT STORY HER EYES TELL.
This is the problem with anti-porn folks. You look at a photograph of a model and you read anything you want into them-- all the vulnerability and pathos you want to invest in their image. Meanwhile, most people don't give a good goddamn about their ACTUAL working conditions (unless they're children).

Porn companies must SO STRICTLY adhere to 182257 Laws (documentation) that you have a better chance at picking up an underage girl in a geriatric center than finding one in a legitimate porn. Two forms of US issued photo ID, photocopied and kept on file for each model.

They're legal. This is just harassment.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #59
62. They just want patrons to THINK THEY'RE UNDERAGE???
That's waaay f*cked up.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. you are the only one on this thread
that thinks she looks underage.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. I can PM many ppl that would say the same.... but why?
YOU know the truth. If you are indeed looking at the same image.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #66
68. i do know the truth
she looks like an adult.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #68
71. Post a pic of the person you are talking about... please.....?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #71
73. can't
macromedia. we are looking at the same pic. not 16 looking.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #73
77. No, we are not... I have not been able to get it for almost a half hour
Post what YOU are looking at.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. didn't i just tell you it wouldn't let me?
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:05 AM by sonicx
please keep up.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. sigh. wonder why?
why would they not let you poist a pic (on the front page) from their site? sigh.


GET IT !?!?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #82
87. um, because it's macromedia?
and it's a rotating ad? :eyes:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #87
93. And they like it that way?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. take off your tin foil hat
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:40 AM by sonicx
they use it for easily rotating ads. if they had something they didn't want people to see, they'd...i dunno, not put it on the Internet for everyone to see. :eyes: Of course, none of these ads are offensive beyond the softcore nudity, so it's a non-issue. you have the issue
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #95
101. YOU ARE ON A CORPORATIST SITE.... and you LIKE IT
Wake Up.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #101
103. no, sounds like you need a nap.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #103
105. Gotta go to sleep soon, but still up due to the &^%*^%$
that I have seen over the last hour or so.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #105
106. by all means, go to bed now
and don't forget your medication.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #106
111. Dude, if you think what 'Max' sells is normal or cool....
I will have a hard time sleeping. Hubby is in Fl - no sex. I will be stuck with this sicko little universe in my brain.

I should have never responded to the first post. Now I'm gonna

:beer:



And go to sleep.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #71
98. Here ARE a couple pics from Max Hardcore
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:44 AM by RadiDem




This girl is over 18. She IS made up to give the impression that she might be younger, bit last time I checked, that was 100% legal in the USA.

Will you be burning Nabakov as well?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #98
104. She is mid-twenties... she is posing
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:50 AM by alittlelark
They didn't photoshop her face (aside from the eyes). They appear to only photoshop those w/ young bods and pretty faces.
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #62
148. True.
They want her to LOOK under aged. They want the appearance of an under aged girl having sex with older men. That's why max hardcore has them call him "Daddy." I don't know why he slaps them, fists them, drives his penis down their throats until some actually puke on him, and then pisses into their mouths. That must be just because he can. But as some on here say, it's just good "fun."

Max hardcore is a misogynistic asshole. I'd kick his ever-loving ass if I EVER saw him for real just on GPs. I appreciate a good porno like the next guy. Max's crap is just that, crap.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #37
123. Many people..
... simply do not look their age. Trust me on this, these people have their usc 2257 paperwork in order.

And the FBI knows it, this is just harassment.

Yes, I find the use of models that "look" or are dressed / made up to "look" under age offensive. I think men that want to look at that sort of crap have problems and should seek help. But there is no law against it and we should be a nation of laws.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #14
26. Hmmmmm
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:00 AM by RadiDem
Although it's not likely what gone him busted, many of Max's porn now features Max sticking his hand down the girl's throat until she vomits on his genitals. A porn starlet I know told me about her scene with Max - it almost turned her off of the adult industry for good. I've seen some of his work. Not my idea of erotic, but to each his own.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #26
130. I agree that a lot of max hardcore's work is disgusting.
But is that a good reason for it to be illegal?
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #130
140. No, it should not be illegal -nt-
nt
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
129. When did that become illegal?
Actually in most states and on the federal level, ANY hardcore tape - no matter how vanilla - is technically illegal.

Because we don't have prior restraint of free speech in this country, what happens is an overzealous prosecutor goes into your store and finds the raunchiest movies and buys them.

You are then charged, and have to defend yourself in court. It is up to a jury to decide that the movie is "obscene" and therefore illegal.

It is simply not worth the time and cost to most reasonable prosecutors.
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Qibing Zero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. That's true
My cousin, who is now 43 and still looking in her 20s, has a few older pictures of her up at her house. As a joke she'll ask people to guess how old she was in the pictures. I seriously guessed 12 on one in which she was 26. It's crazy. =P
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. LOOK at the pic - tell me it's not photoshopped...
it's all in the eyes...
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. i don't see it
i've reloaded the page several times, and i don't see a girl that looks 14.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. I was informed on another post that they alter.
The one I am speaking of is a blonde w/ a VERY adult bod, and VERY young (confused, shocked...) eyes.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Wow I'm jealous of this type of name dropping!
You know Violet Blue?! Tell her I enjoyed her scene in Ass Appeal. Cool.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I'll absolutely pass it on.
Not meaning to name drop, though, but I needed a real example. :blush:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. Hey, A-OK.
I may have to contribute to your website. You really are fighting for the 1st amendment.

:yourock:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. LOOK at the pic - the photoshop job is obvious.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. There is a different ad banner each time you reload.
No way I can see what you saw except by dumb luck.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. I only looked once.... it was a blonde w/C+ drooping
and the eyes were 14-16. Innocent, confused, shocked.

I didn't realize they shifted.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. ok, i just saw the ad
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:58 PM by sonicx
that's obviously lighting and not photoshopping. I think you are overeacting. She's just giving a sexy glare.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Look at the eyes.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. her eyes don't look any different thant any other porn star
you are overeating.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #35
43. I guess I am indulging in different forms of porn than you are.
I like the adult stuff. The blonde that I see on the left is an ADULT photoshopped as a teen.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #43
47. we've been throught this
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:19 AM by sonicx
it's not photoshopped.

thanks for accusing me of liking child porn, btw.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #47
48. Which ad are you all talking about?
I've reloaded the site about 10 times, and there are many ads. I don't see any girl that looks underage

WHICH ad are you all talking about? WHAT does it advertise?

Thanks
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #48
51. A C+ blonde w/ a 70 degree turn away from the camera.
Lots of eyeliner. A scared innocent look.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. it's...
a girl posing, with her butt to the cam and is staring (with huge saggy tits facing away from us).
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #53
64. Her tits are in no way 'huge'
You are looking at the wrong pic.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. they look that way from the angle
but whatever, she looks like an adult.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #65
67. With a child's expression - if you are seeing the same pic.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. i didn't know children gave sexy porn star glares.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #69
74. Hello? Do you want to eat, have shelter???!!!.......
But that is beside the point. THE MODEL IS NOT A CHILD. SHE IS PHOTOSHOPPED TO LOOK THAT WAY.

GET IT.


The shot appears to have been erradicated from the site. I have searched when not responding - she has somehow disappeared.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #74
75. the shot is from an ad
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:01 AM by sonicx
the ads rotate. the girl you are talking about is not photoshopped (for the 100th time) and she doesn't look underage. i'm looking right at it and it looks run of the mil. If you hadn't made a big deal about it, it wouldn't have caught my attention. It's not that special.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #75
79. I keep 'refreshing' and haven't seen her for over 1/2 an hour....
What are you looking at? Post a pic. Please.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #79
83. Either have I >
and my question asking WHAT the pic was advertising must have been too vague to the people who answered with a description of the girl in the ad.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. I do not know.... the girl in the ad was young, scared, docile
and had an ADULT body. I have 'refreshed' many times.... she is not coming up.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #86
91. she does not look scared at all
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #91
97. Post the pic.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #97
102. i'm finding it hard not to insult you
when you keep asking a question i've alrady answered 10 times. If you can't find it again, tough shit.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #102
107. The only way you can prove your point is by posting a pic.....
the site will not let you.

HMMMMM

Yeah

Wonder Why?

Insult me after the site lets you post a pic.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #107
109. i'm going to leave you alone now
to let you tinfoil by yourself. I don't want to catch your insanity. bye
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #20
41. Big droopy boobs does always equal a grown woman.
A friend of mine was a D cup in the fifth grade, at 22 she's an F cup and has to special orfer bras. Needless to say they ain't perky and never really were so for a time she quite legitimately had a child's face on a rather adult body.

I on the other hand have the face of an adult on a body that's still waiting for puberty. The disparity doesn't mean much. :shrug:

In any case the women who are depicted as younger than they are tend to be a bit lacking in the mammary department, so if she's a little photoshopped around the eyes it may be to clean up tired eyes or whiten up the whites of the eye (a rather common adjustment) or something and perfectly legit like that.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:16 AM
Original message
Not big and droopy - 1+ inches below measurement line
and finely formed - think porn.


PS - the pic's alternate - you can catch it if you refresh multiple times.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. do you mean the girl in the center ad?
i don't think it's photoshoped (which isn't illegal and not what this is about). And she doesn't look 14 either.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Nope, on the left.... another DUer informed me that they alternate pics
and that it is hard to pinpoint the shot I am speaking of.
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #5
18. When I was in the music biz, one of my B-school interns...
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:53 PM by johnfunk
... looked like a 16-year-old. She was 26 and also modeled on the side.

When I brought my staff (interns included) out to Virgil's BBQ in NY for a pre-Christmas blowout about ten years ago, she got carded on the way to the bar area by a new (uncharacteristically snooty, WASPy, Republican-looking) greeter: "You can't be any older than sixteen." Gina opened her purse and presented her passport, her Ford Agency ID, and her Princeton Club (Alumni) ID, smiled sweetly, and said "Any more questions?" The bartender -- a friend of mine who authored the indispensable "The New York City Bartender's Joke Book" -- got an earful from me and the rest of my staff.

Said "greeter" was not seen anywhere near Virgil's thereafter, though I wouldn't be surprised if she got a job at, say, Focus on the Family, the Republican National Committee, or the Church of Satan.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #18
56. So let's say she did porn on the side. Would she fake a 14-16 year old?
I hope she would not. Cuz that's just SICK.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. doesn't look 16 at all
and is not faked.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #58
70. POST the pic you are talking about.
Cuz the one I saw was waaaay different.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. the picture can't be posted
it's macromedia. we are looking at the same pic and she doesn't look 16.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #72
84. hmmmm..... wonder why?
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. If the girl has large breasts, they're not trying to sell her as underage>
There are many petite, tiny breasted, and completly flat chested girls in porn. These girls are used to convey an idea of 'underage'.

when a porn producer wants to give the impression that a girl MIGHT be underage ( and Max Hardcore does ) he will also have them wear pigtails, school girl uniforms, or other 'girl's clothes'.

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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #84
89. because it's macromedia and is a rotating ad.
as i stated before.

take off the tinfoil hat
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #5
23. I'm sorry to say I know this, but having girls that look very young...
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 11:57 PM by YOY
Is what that particular Adult film genre and producer "Max Hardcore" is about. If it sounds sick it pretty much is...but it is also perfectly legal and within constitutional limits. The people involeved are all consenting and over 18 but they use photoshopery, make-up, costumes, and some of the most violent carnal sexual acts I've ever had the misfortune to witness. I'm a healthy heterosexual man and I would avoid every having to see something like that if I have the choice.

I was at a stag party a few years ago and someone put in one of this guy's tapes as a joke. It's pretty disgusting stuff. When a bunch of 25 year-old well-balanced and healthy guys are shouting "TURN IT OFF!" you know it is not exactly mainstream adult entertainment.

Sorry if I put any pictures in anyone's head...but Max's stuff is pretty tough to defend.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. I saw a photoshopped piece of his work on the site... it was obvious.
It was also quite disturbing.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. it's lighting, not photoshop
and you must have a low level of tolerance if you think it's 'disturbing.'
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. Look at the eyes.
Hubby and I are interested in similar work... but the underage look is WAY WRONG!!!
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. She doesn't look underage
overeacting.
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LSDMTMA Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #36
153. No she doesn't.
Photoshopped? Nah, she's about 21. And what is the differnece between looking 16 and 18 anyways. Get real here.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #34
76. the 'underage look' is COMMON
its in every porn mag out there. women dressed a little girls, complete with pjs, teddy bears, high school outfits, pigtails, etc... its disgusting. the little girl looks is also why most porn features women with shaved pubic hair. thats where it began. in photo shoots that portrayed women as girls. its everywhere.
now fetish stuff, if folks get turned on by leather and chains, golden showers, bdsm, whatever, thats between consenting adults.
that being said, the fbi has a few more pressing matters than going after alternative porn, say, TERRORISM, corrupt political officials, and hey, i know, how about REAL CHILD PORN. i'd compare it to the 'war on drugs' that focuses almost exclusively on marijuana, while the true dangerous drugs don't get the attention they deserve.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #76
78. the girl in the ad has none of that shit
she's just naked with a tatu. that's it.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #78
85. post her pic.... I need to know if you are seeing what I saw.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #85
90. why do you keep asking this when
i keep telling you it's a rotating MACROMEDIA ad and it won't let me? You are getting on my nerves.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #90
108. If you want to prove your point - prove it!
Honestly, I'm not trying to be a dick, but all I am hearing is Blah Blah Blah.. I've had the site in the background for almost an hour, and have yet to see the pic.



What are you looking at?
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #108
110. figure it out for yourself
your outrage is boring now. bye
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #76
92. 'The Little Girl'
ANYWHERE I SEE THIS SHIT IT IS SOOOOOOO F*CKED UP!!!
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #76
133. "the underage look is in every porn mag"
Yeah, sure right. I'm sure that over 40 dresses their models up in cheerleader outfits. Geesh.

Yes, there are a couple of mags that focus on teens. Eighteen is one of them - and most of the time the girls look 18. Barely legal is another that has lots of 18yo's, but they look 18 most of the time.

The only mag that I can think of that features girls that are meant to look underage is live young girls. It is a pretty disgusting mag - but their models are all 18+

Otherwise, penhouse, playboy, hustler, score, ultra, hawk, tight, etc. All feature models that look like ADULTS.

You are making an unfair characterization of an entire industry.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:15 AM
Response to Reply #34
118. Oh, it is? And are you saying that it should be illegal?
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 04:17 AM by BullGooseLoony
Because apparently your moral values are better than everyone elses', even when the girls are, in reality, over the age of 18?

The KKK says some pretty nasty things. Should their opinions be outlawed, as well?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #29
40. The Max Hardcore that we watched was pretty vile
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 12:11 AM by YOY
And I'm pretty far from having a low-level of tolerance.

If he makes tamer stuff then so be it. What I saw was hardly tame. If I could bring up the particular name of the film I would. The part that really sicked me was how little the female party involved seemed to be enjoying it...actually hating it. If that was an act then so-be-it, but it was a turn-off to all the guys in the room...and no one I know of was extremely holier-than-thou religious.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. no, i'm talking about...
an ad on the site that has a girl posing, with her butt to the cam and is staring (with huge saggy tits facing away from us). That's the thing that's being made out as "photoshopped" child porn.

As for these extreme vids, i haven't seen em and i probably wouldn't be interested. :)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #45
52. I don't see what they're talking about either with those pics
They may be photoshopped, but I don't see it and the model looks 18+.

Max though...yeah, you realy don't want to see 'em. Just thinking about this few seconds of film that I watched is still burned in my brain is an unpleasant experience.

I have no problem with adult entertainment, but what I saw was hardly mainstream.
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
150. good
then don't go at that site anymore.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:43 PM
Response to Original message
8. This is the first time I ever felt sorry for a porn star...
Then again Max is pretty disgusting. Someone put one of his films in at a bachelor's party I was at...pretty sick stuff...but all perfectly legal and within constitutional rights.
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Someone described this line of videos to me
and it sounded like over the edge stuff ... like not really with porn stars, and possibly doing things that the participants didn't want to do.

eech.

Porn's great, but not like that.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:00 AM
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28. Someone put it in the VCR as a sick joke
It's pretty fricking vile. It actually turned most of the guys off to watching stag films and pissed off the entire crowd at the bachelor party.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
134. "perfectly legal and within constitutional rights"
As I said before, in most states the most vanilla porno is ILLEGAL.

It is just not worth the time to prosecute and hard to get a jury to convict - well, except when you show them something like a max hardcore tape. Then anything that goes beyond the jury's sense of good taste should throw the maker in jail.

Max Hardcore has NOT been raided for child porn. We are talking about ADULT obscenity.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:09 AM
Response to Original message
38. The Dragon vs. Larry Flynt
I hope that porn guy is attacked by ninjas for "Fists of Fury 3".

Re: http://chosis.coldfusionvideo.com/fistsof.htm
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:09 AM
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39. Pure stormtrooper stuff, the content is all over the web, for sure
Searching for titles? Confiscating and impounding video discs? Gimme a break. This is just a ploy to move the "industry" offshore where it will be run by some Bush crime family subsidiary or a Bush brother or relative in cahoots with Saudi investors.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:34 AM
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61. What a fucking joke........
Homeland security? Saving America from Golden Guzzlers? Glad to see the FBI is HARD at work making us safe from the terrorasses.
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:10 AM
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81. We pay these guys HOW MUCH? To watch adult porn?
while in any major city of your choice REAL CHILDREN are being shopped out in some neighborhood. Cops know it's there and where to look for it but don't have the resources to hunt it down.

The FBI has a squad of guys watching porn all day and arresting hookers in New Orleans. WTF?
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:33 AM
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94. max' stuff can cause a very negative emotional reaction in a jury;
even a liberal socal jury, and when that happens, the prosecutor has a shot at a conviction given the open ended nature of what "obscene" is. That said, until the Department of Justice is ready to indemnify us against another Al-Quada attack, what the f---k are they doing devoting any resources to this.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:09 AM
Response to Reply #94
116. This is why we need solid, smart constitutional lawyers. nt
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Mr Grieves Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:39 AM
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96. Suicide Girls has been affected as well...
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 01:41 AM by Mr Grieves
My girlfriend has a member account and while we were browsing the site today we found that many photos had been replaced with text saying something to the effect of "Ask Alberto Gonzales why you can't view this picture - for more info click here." We clicked and came to this message from Missy - the founder of suicide girls (an "alternative" pin-up-girl site if you are unfamiliar - strictly softcore and some fetish stuff).

link - http://suicidegirls.com/boards/Everything+SG/81705 /
Our statement on this controversy is this...

While we do not believe any of our images are illegal, SG has removed a number of images in order to ensure that we are not targeted by the U.S. Government's new war on porn.

We have received no formal government notice to remove these images, however in the course of our involvement, as witnesses, in a federal criminal prosecution that does not target SG, we have been made aware of the risks posting such content poses the owners of the company. Given the U.S. Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales' new war on porn task force and it's intent to bring obscenity charges against their loosely defined "Deviant" imagery, we have removed any images with fake blood and any images we felt could be wrongfully construed as sadist or masochist.

Given the natural disasters in Louisiana and Texas, the U.S. Government's numerous foreign war's and the growing U.S. deficit, we feel there are far better uses of government resources then pursuing the legality of imagery created by consenting adults, but as is usually the case, our opinions are not shared by the current U.S. Administration. Also, we really miss Bill Clinton.

If you feel strongly about this issue, feel free to join SG in donating to the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Free Speech Coalition.

Yours Truly,

Missy Suicide"


Once again this administraion's dark cloud of fear promotes defensive self-censorship - Which is what happens without clear and unequivocal first amendment protections. A word like "obcenity" can potentially be stretched like taffy, in the right climate stretching beyond the porn ghetto and into the ideological realm. Imagine whole ideologies - like Atheism, or Libralism - being decalred "obcene" by the community's standards and thus criminalized? Extreme I know. But just to say it's always worth protecting the first amendment - even for someone's right to view someone with "underage eyes." (and really half the girls on Suicide Girls seem like they could be underage and that site is about as legitamate and mainstream as porn can get)
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #96
99. Forget 'being scared'
be w/in the 99th percentile sexually.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:45 AM
Response to Original message
100. "Fists of Fury"?
Amusing, but no match for the funniest porn title of the past twenty-five years...

"Weapons Of Ass Destruction"
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oldgrowth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:37 AM
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112. Hope everybody feels safer now NOLA showed us how ready we are!!
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:31 AM
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113. This guys stuff is the most vile of misogynistic assault as sex 'porn'
out in the "mainstream".

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:42 AM
Response to Reply #113
124. I totally agree..
.... but which laws have been broken?
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #113
151. and...?
what shoud we do? ban stuff we don't like? Should BJs be banned on porn too?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:34 AM
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:13 AM
Response to Reply #114
117. Lark thinks she looks 'under aged' and 'scared' ???
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 04:15 AM by RadiDem
I want some of what she's been smoking!

On second thought, I don't.

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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 07:42 AM
Response to Reply #114
126. I'm with you, buddy..
Edited on Thu Oct-06-05 07:45 AM by Concerned GA Voter
If I had to ballpark the age of the girl in question, I'd be reluctant to even give her an age as young as 19 tho. And yes, just because someone likes some "cute" with their "sexy" doesn't make them sick -- and such statements are ridiculous and offensive. I, too, have a young looking wife. Some say she looks 16, but she is, in actuality, 28. I have no question about whether she is all woman. I enjoy that she is cute, but I would never touch a child any more than any other emotionally healthy adult would.

I'm bothered by the absolute and condescending attitudes expressed by some people in this thread, but porn is a touchy subject that tends to get people into "judgmental mode." I just want to say that this mode of thought IS HARMFUL -- it is the same tendency that will make fundies feel compelled to condemn people for having any sexual preference that they themselves don't share (e.g. homosexuality, anyone?) You know how to identify this mode of thought? That's right, it's the accusatory tone. Some people actually seem to get off on believing they are, in sexuality, morally superior to others. I think this is probably closer to an illness than knowing what you enjoy and practicing that with another consenting adult.

Edit just to be clear: I'm not familiar with Max Hardcore or any of his products. If he's hurting people, I'm in no way defending that. If he somehow has managed to use actual underage girls, I'm CERTAINLY not defending that.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #126
135. Max Hardcore is NOT in trouble for using underage performers
He has been popped for ADULT obscenity.

But I will agree with you that most of his work is tasteless.


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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #126
145. Imagine young women consenting to having a very bad day at
Abu Graib (sans dogs), or perhaps Fear Factor(with a little Marathon Man thrown in) with orifice stretching and cum shots, and you would get a flavor of some of Max' work. I do not know if the movies in question have this content but a lot of his work has it. The women consent to the treatment and are apparently paid above the porn norm for the work. For me, the bottom line is that given the justice department's colossal failure in stopping the 9/11 attacks (not timely getting the subpoena to search the Moussai's computer as urged by the field people, and processing and applying its own work product, like the Phoenix Memo, and putting 2 and 2 together, and its rampant translator deficiencies), it has no business devoting its resources to this issue which on its best day is at most nuisance.
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:33 PM
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141. What happened to the pic?
It wasn't x rated.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:04 AM
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115. As long as all of those girls are over 18, this is all protected by
the 1st Amendment, and anyone who doesn't like it can just shut the fuck up.

It's none of your business what other people do in their bedrooms.

We're liberals. Now start fucking acting like it.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:17 AM
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119. Amen.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:28 AM
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120. well I dont like it
There are good reasons Hardcore is among the most hated men in the industry. He's rumored to have put several actresses in the hospital, and most starlets refuse to work with him; porn queen Nici Sterling calls him a "psychopath." "Apparently they think I play a little rough," he says of the European sex stars who dodge him in Maxed Out 2. Watching the video, it's not hard to imagine why. After finishing Sabine's aforementioned anal scenes, he grabs her hair and begins to plow her face, covering her in spit, cum, and makeup smear--what Max calls "giving a facial." "The only way you're able to get the saliva out is to take your cock and choke the girl," he once told Adult Video News. Mere dirty-sex aesthetics, you might say, except that by now it's obvious the actress is not at all "into it"--her eyes look dead, her mind perhaps in the far-off place you're supposed to go in moments like these. When it's over, the camera lingers above her, leering triumphantly. Fake lashes barely cling on, and her eyes well up with tears as the subtitles read: "Oh my God! Like on the phone all you said was you wanted to cuddle." Then: "This is one fucked-out stupid cunt! Go Max!!"

Misogynistic theater like this should surprise no one; it is porn, after all. But in a medium that regularly traffics in taboos, the director crosses a subtle but important line: Max invites the viewer to share his pleasure in hurting and humiliating not a character, but a real woman. Here and elsewhere, he reduces porn to the rape propaganda anti-porn feminists have long claimed it to be. The Sabine sequence feels like a snuff film--that mythical bogy of anti-porn crusaders. And because this isn't obscure stuff--one of his tapes is always hovering in the top-20 adult video charts--Max might just be the miscreant that zealots need in the new age of Boogie Nights, when most people couldn't care less about squelching smut. This stroke-sadist's popularity represents a seismic shift in American porn, though no cultural eruption occurs without considerable historic foreplay.

...

But why do consumers want Max Hardcore? That's the disturbing question, one made more interesting by the widespread backlash against him among porn fans. "We're not killing girls," Max told Adult Video News. "We're not hurting them more than minor discomfort. What's the big deal? When you get a girl and give her a good working over, you take her to the extreme of pain and pleasure, and that's exciting." Maybe so, but in most of his videos, the emphasis is clearly on pain and humiliation. (As in most other porn, the women never come.) It's as if Hardcore had carefully pored over Andrea Dworkin's 1979 tome, Pornography: Men Possessing Women, and made himself over into a shining example of everything wrong in porn--he's the "sexualization of insult" personified.


http://citypages.com/databank/19/893/article4117.asp
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 04:34 AM
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121. Then don't watch it.
They're all over 18. They can make their own decisions.

As such, people commenting on this are just moralizing and judging the viewer. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine, but keep your nose out of others' sex lives.

That's how we get things like anti-sodomy laws.

None of anyone's business but those who are partaking.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 06:48 AM
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125. I second that..
... I don't care for stuff with that much violent overtone. But I'm not interested in forcing my standards on everyone else.

We are supposed to be a nation of laws, and we need to stick to the law. There are plenty of folks out there who would find DU offensive. Should it be harrassed by law enforcement?

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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:24 PM
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136. i third that (eom)
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:43 AM
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131. Disturbing...
to say the least.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:28 PM
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137. "this is all protected by the 1st Amendment and anyone
who doesn't like it can just shut the fuck up"

Thanks for the first real belly laugh of the day.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 12:29 PM
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138. Porn is NOT protected by the first ammendment
and therein lies the problem. They "know it when they see it" is as far as the law is now.

It is legal to own, but not to sell, rent, furnish, diseminate, display, etc.

Max can get 5 years in jail on each count.


We're liberals. Now start fucking acting like it.


There is a very unholy alliance between the "feminist" authoritarian left and the religious right. I see it on DU all the time.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 01:03 PM
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139. Its common practice for the 'actors and actresses' to
hold their drivers licencses and social security cards up infront of the video camera before the shoot to document identity, age, and probably tax liability, or would that be for retirement purposes?

Regardless, this sleazy guy is sharp enough to stay away from < 18 year olds. Seems strange that there is a never ending supply of willing participants. Guess crack makes your perspective a little off the mainstream.

Honestly, I consider myself a free speech absolutist, but this is out on the edge, nonetheless, this is a waste of time.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:47 AM
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132. Did Neil Bush tip them off
I imagine he'd know about young girls
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RadiDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 02:36 PM
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142. More on a prior porn indictment>
Lancaster dismissed obscenity charges this past week in the federal governments first major prosecution for obscenity in more than a decade, the United States of America vs. Extreme Associates. In August 2003, pornographers Rob Zicari and his wife, Janet Romanoaka Rob Black and Lizzie Bordenwere indicted for 10 counts relating to the production and distribution of obscene materials, facing up to 50 years in prison and a fine of $2.5 million.

Mary Beth Buchanan, the U.S. attorney for western Pennsylvania who prosecuted the case, told ABC News in 2003 that the Bush administration saw its prosecution of Zicari as pivotal.

In the last 10 years, weve really had very little, if any, prosecution of the federal obscenity laws, she said. And because of that, the material that is being distributed today is far worse than any material that had been previously distributed. And its really gotten out of hand.

After Thursdays decision, Buchanan issued a written statement that she was very disappointed by the courts decision to dismiss the indictment.



http://www.sodomylaws.org/lawrence/lwnews165.htm
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:06 PM
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144. Actually, the Zicari case is scheduled to go back before the court
On Oct 10th. The governement wants to re-instate the case.

We'll see what happens.

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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:03 PM
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143. Child pornography is depraved and despicable.
A few million to help put these scumbags in prison is money well spent. Hell, I'd allocate ten billion $ to that cause if I were the chimp.

Gyre
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 03:10 PM
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146. Who said anything about child pornography?
These videos are being investigated for obscenity, not child pornography.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 01:34 PM
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147. This is NOT a child pronography case!!!
All of the actors were over 18!
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uniden Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:30 PM
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152. and the melting of glaciers will effect our drinking water supplies
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 06:39 PM by uniden
oh wait! this has absolutely nothing to do with the story.
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ErisFiveFingers Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:43 AM
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154. Max Hardcore?
They're targeting the belly of the legal beast. I'm not sure there's any jurisdiction where his "work" will be considered art. It's pretty brutal suff, "rape art", if such a genre exists.

However, I worry that the hysteria (and read up on the history of *that* word) may spread...
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:28 AM
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155. The fact that the court dismissed the obscenity charges
against Rob Black / Extreme Associates at the start of the year, declaring that the obscenity laws were unconstitutional bodes well, I think, for this recent crackdown.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:33 AM
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156. locking
No longer Latest Breaking News
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