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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 01:18 AM
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Gore, Watchdog Groups Criticize Bloomberg For Snubbing Apollo Debate
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=54002

Criticism continues to mount against Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his decision to skip Thursday's debate at the Apollo Theater.

The Reverend Al Sharpton has called the move “an insult to the community,” and now former Vice President and presidential nominee Al Gore, who debated at the Apollo back in 2000, is weighing in as well.

On Tuesday, Gore released a statement which reads in part: "The people of Harlem and the people of New York City deserve a debate at the Apollo, one that honors our democracy and offers voters the opportunity to hear candidly from the candidates about their visions for the city."

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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 02:45 AM
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1. Bloomberg = True Billionaire for Bush
Royalty doesn't need to debate with commoners or even the lesser nobility if they are not inclined. I've heard the Dems aren't offering up a strong candidate but this is ridiculous. I hope Fernando Ferrer blasts Bloomberg anyway and doesn't spend too much time dwelling on Tom Ognibene.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 08:36 AM
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2. Yeah, bloomberg is a
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 08:37 AM by zidzi
bushwa toadie..I'm guessing "Power corrupts".

But, this Michael Scotto, who wrote the article needs to hear from us because he wrote at the end..

"That is a reference, of course, to Al Gore, who famously took credit for starting the web, and is now joining Democrats in demanding the mayor take his campaign to Harlem Thursday night."

Al Gore Did Not take credit for "inventing the internet"..the fascist wing liars flooded the air waves with their version of what he did say.

Does anyone have Gore's exact quote handy? Michael Scotto is perpetuating the LIE and it needs to STOPPED!!

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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:43 AM
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3. Bob Somerby's DailyHowler has the best disccusion of this flap
Here's the quote:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth, environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

Here's one of Bob's many articles about the subject:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml

Where does spin come from? Inventing the Internet

CHAPTER I—GORE IGNORED: The press corps’ twenty-month War against Gore began on March 11, 1999. Two days earlier, Gore had given an interview to Wolf Blitzer for a special, weeknight broadcast of CNN’s Late Edition. Gore was the sitting vice president of the United States, and the leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination. As such, the taped session was previewed and promoted by the network. It was Gore’s “first on-camera interview since filing as a candidate,” one CNN promo said.

A year of impeachment had come to an end; Gore’s informal campaigning was about to begin. And a spin campaign from the Washington press corps would follow in extremely short order. This campaign would be built on a nasty charge—the charge that Candidate Gore was a liar. The theme would dominate campaign coverage for the entire twenty months of the race.

(snip)

Gore’s remark would be widely attacked. But surprise! At the time Gore made his statement, it received no attention whatever. Blitzer didn’t ask Gore to explain his remark; he showed no surprise at what Gore had said. And in its on-air promotions for the taped interview, CNN showed no sign of thinking that Gore had “made news” with his comment. Meanwhile, major papers which covered Gore’s interview completely ignored the comment. On March 10, for example, the Washington Post ran a full report about the Gore-Blitzer session. But the paper only discussed Gore’s remarks on U.S. relations with China. On March 11, the Washington Times’ Greg Pierce reviewed the interview in his “Inside Politics” column. But Pierce only mentioned what Gore had said about early campaign polling. Similarly, the AP’s dispatches about Gore’s interview completely ignored his Internet comment. And another major organ passed over Gore’s statement. On March 10, the Hotline—the widely-read, on-line digest of the day’s political news—ran extensive excerpts from the Late Edition Q-and-A’s, but omitted the Internet remark altogether. In fact, in the first two days after Gore’s appearance, no press entity remarked, in any way, on what Gore said about the Net. Gore’s comment would be critiqued, attacked, burlesqued and spun over the course of the next twenty months. But it evoked no reaction from the press—none at all—at the time Gore made it. Repeat: No one in the press said even one word about Gore’s statement at the time it was made. No one showed the slightest sign of thinking Gore’s comment was notable.

Why did Gore’s comment provoke no reaction? Perhaps because Blitzer and others knew that Gore had taken the leadership, within the Congress, in developing what we now call the Internet. Gore was explicitly discussing his achievements in Congress, and if “I took the initiative” meant “I took the leadership,” his statement was perfectly accurate. (Extemporaneous speech doesn’t always parse perfectly. Everyone in Washington knows this.) Indeed, as Gore’s remark began attracting wide scrutiny, some journalists reviewed his congressional record—and a wide array of Internet pioneers described his key role, within the Congress, in creating what we now call the Net. In the March 21 Washington Post, for example, Jason Schwartz quoted several Internet pioneers, including Vinton Cerf, the man often called “the father of the Internet.” Cerf praised Gore’s role in the Net’s development. “I think it is very fair to say that the Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the vice president,” he said. Meanwhile, Katie Hafner, author of a book on the Internet’s origins, penned a short piece in the New York Times, quoting experts who said that Gore “helped lift the Internet from relative obscurity and turn it into a widely accessible, commercial network.” On March 18, Gore tried to clarify his remark in an interview with USA Today. “I did take the lead in the Congress,” he told Chuck Raasch; he described his Internet work in detail. Raasch quoted Gore’s explanation—but it was mentioned in no other paper.

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Here's Vince Cerf's article about Gore's role in the development of the Internet:

http://www.politechbot.com/p-01394.html

Al Gore and the Internet

By Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf
Thu, 28 Sep 2000

Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the Internet and to promote and support its development.

No one person or even small group of persons exclusively “invented” the Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among people in government and the university community. But as the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore’s contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.

Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: “During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” We don’t think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he “invented” the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore’s initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship. Though easily forgotten, now, at the time this was an unproven and controversial concept. Our work on the Internet started in 1973 and was based on even earlier work that took place in the mid-late 1960s. But the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.

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Newt Gingrich, on C-Span, Sept. 1, 2000:

GINGRICH: In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is — and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got , we were both part of a "futures group" — the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 09:49 AM
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4. Don't forget Gore won the first Webbie Award for lifetime acheivement
Gore recieved the award on June 6, 2005 in New York City

http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/specialwin.php

The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award: Former Vice President Al Gore

Setting the record straight on one of recent history's most persistent political myths, The Webby Awards will present Former Vice President Al Gore with The Webby Lifetime Achievement Award in recognition of the pivotal role he has played in the development of the internet over the past three decades. Vint Cerf, widely credited as one of the "fathers of the internet," will present Vice President Gore with the award.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:04 AM
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5. Thanks, I appreciate this update.
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 10:05 AM by zidzi
Gore's words were taken and TWISTED AND now being reported as fact by michael scotto, among others.

And thanks for "inventing" the freakin' internet, Al Gore..where would we be without it?

Can you imagine bush inventing anything but more ways to eat bananas?
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 03:29 PM
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7. Bush does not invent. He "disassembles"
Edited on Wed Oct-05-05 03:29 PM by Lisa
... in the true sense. He disassembles systems of government, agencies put in place to protect the American people from social and environmental ills, international treaties which attempt to make the world safer for everyone -- even entire cities.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:24 AM
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6. Amazing isn't it? even to this day
the corpwhorate owned MSM feels the need to slander Al Gore for doing a great thing. I have never known anyone to do so much good for our nation and the planet only be trashed by our so called "fourth estate watchdogs".
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