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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:08 AM
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Iraq Donors come Through for Bush
Edited on Fri Oct-24-03 08:11 AM by davhill
<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20031024/ts_nm/iraq_donors_dc>

It looks like opposition is crumbling to the U.S. Occupation of Iraq as Nations line up to pay tribute to the New American Century. What implications does this have for the 2004 elections?
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:12 AM
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1. Pledges and cash are 2 different things...
ask the Afghans.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:17 AM
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2. hell, ask the american children
"left behind" for starters...
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:22 AM
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5. Never the less it is a PR coup
for Bush if it looks like there is a lot of international support for the continued occupation.
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:39 AM
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12. I agree that it's style over substance..

But after all, that's what this Administration is all about. They don't need to solve problems, as long as they can TELL people they're solving problems and no-one questions it.

It's all smoke and mirrors, lies and deceit. The worst Administration in the last 100 years.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:45 AM
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13. dav, you still have time to edit the Thread title to the correct headline.
"Donors Promise Some $37.5 Billion in Iraq Aid, Loans"

Loans do not a "PR coup" make, and subtract 20 Bil coming from the US and what do you get? :shrug:
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:20 AM
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3. If opposition were crumbling we would reach the $55billion mark
and that is not happening... What there might be about $7-8 billion that the US has secured... doesn't sound like people are ponying up to the "New American Century" to me. It is just spin.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:29 AM
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8. It IS just spin
Yesterday and the day before, the story was that contributions were falling way short.

Today, same facts, same donors, same amounts, but the new story is that they are 'coming through'.

Sometimes the administration reminds me so much of a shady dot com trying to cover up it's losses and incompetence.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:21 AM
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4. This is a crock! If you take away the US's 20 billion, the World Bank's..
between 3 and 5 billion (over 5 years, and it's a loan) and the IMF's between 2.5 and 4.25 over three years, you have very little being "donated" by any other country! This is the same old attempt to put lipstick on a pig, imo.
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:26 AM
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6. It's crap. Look at this from the article...

*snip*
But a Reuters calculation showed total pledges of aid and loans totaling some $17.5 billion over a maximum of five years in addition to the $20 billion promised by the United States. Further pledges were trickling in.
*snip*

That's 17.5 billion in PLEDGES when they wanted 55 billion. And now the well is dry. There won't be another donors' conference. You and me, my friend, will foot the bill for putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.

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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:30 AM
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9. I liked this paragraph
operative word in this paragraph is "loans" - not a gift - not a donation - "loans"

Japan's government made the largest offer after the United States,
pledging a further $3.5 billion in medium-term loans to bring its
total promised aid to $5 billion.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:28 AM
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7. this story's been concocted by Colin Powell
Buried in the story is a reference to Powell spouting some nonsense about this. The man's a liar.
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Sagan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:33 AM
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10. also, you've got the title of the story wrong...
It is not "Iraq donors come through for Bush"... It is "Donors Promise Some $37.5 Billion in Iraq Aid, Loans"

Nice spin, though. Remember LBN rules next time.

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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:38 AM
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11. anderson accounting at work again.
EU 826 MILLION
Iran 300 MILLION
Saudi 1000 MILLION
Japan 1500 MILLION in AID 3.5 Billion in LOANS
----------------------------------------------------
Total 3626 Million




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cspiguy Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:45 AM
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14. If wealthy arab states gave a fraction of this for peaceful
rebuilding efforts in palestine, the israel/plo conflict might have been over for years. We are pouring billions into iraq, which the UN and the US impoverished but those had the petrodollars left the palis to live in garbage dumps in hopes of creating the conditions necessary for an uprising and war to defeat israel. Amazingly pathetic.
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OldCurmudgeon Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 08:48 AM
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15. show us the money!
Oh, here you go Shrubbie. I'll write you a personal check for $10B. Have fun cashing it.

ShrubCo has a real track record on promising money loudly, then quietly reneging (NYC 9/11 funds, Afganistan, AIDS in Africa). Serve 'em right to get some of their own medicine.

On the other hand, there's also the ShrubCo track record of whispering "oh, some Iraq reconstruction contracts go to (mumble)", then writing a stunningly large check.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-03 09:11 AM
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16. Incorrect title
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