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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:15 PM
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Church may penalize PM for same-sex marriage law (might refuse communion)
Prime Minister Paul Martin may have to pay a spiritual price for leading the charge to legalize same-sex marriage in Canada.

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Deciding whether politicians who support laws that contravene church teachings should still be allowed to take communion is one of the subjects up for discussion when Roman Catholic bishops gather for the synod at the Vatican.

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"Some receive Communion while denying the teachings of the Church or publicly supporting immoral choices in life, such as abortion, without thinking that they are committing an act of grave personal dishonesty and causing scandal," the document continues, issuing anyone who gives such people their vote a similar rebuke.

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(Rev. Thomas Collins)"A bishop's role is not to forbid communion to people -- that's a sad necessity that may unfortunately from time to time occur," he said, but only after much fasting, prayer and encouragement for the politician to repent and change.

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The Roman Catholic Church has already made clear its displeasure with Canada's new marriage law. The day after its passage in July, the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano reported, "The distortion of God's plan for the family continues. In Canada, homosexual unions have become equal to marriage."

more = http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/200...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:19 PM
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1. noooo!!!
those crispity, crunchity, styrofoamy wafers are deLicious. :cry:
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Anywho6 Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:23 PM
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2. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Thank you for the laugh! n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:46 PM
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7. I just "loved" the way they would stick to the roof of your mouth - and
You couldn't get rid of it.

Our Ukrainian Catholic church was a lot better - we got cubes of home-made paska (holy bread) dipped in very strong wine - almost like a good whiskey!

And on special holy days, we would get some more bread upon leaving the church.

The priest's wife always made it - a nice "babushka" headed old lady! (our newest priest has a very pretty young blonde wife and two beautiful little girls!)

I always loved our communion as opposed to the Roman Catholic brand.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:31 AM
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10. You can still get them online
http://www.catholicsupply.com/churchs/wine.html

Here is an intersting device I came across. I'm surprised that I haven't seen it in bars.
http://www.rapidfill.com/
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:43 AM
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12. Have you tried nacho cheese flavored host?
Priceless, from Bartcop:
http://www.bartcop.com/cath-supply.htm
"Come for eternal salvation - stay for the frozen custard!"

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:24 PM
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3. Never allow the church to stand in the way of doing what's right
:D



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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:49 PM
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4. Not the first time I heard that this would cross the northern border
it is just as needless north of the border as it is here.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:55 PM
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5. Are churches tax exempt in Canada?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:17 PM
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6. As far as I know they are.
Paul Martin will probably stand his ground anyway. It would guarantee an election win.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:47 PM
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8. And I guarantee many other priests will not hesitate to give him communion
if he so chooses.

This is a loser issue. Big Time.

They will lose more people over it - again.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:34 AM
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13. As they should
This is one of many egotistical power plays being imposed from above. They are the ones who joined the church for personal status and power and have corrupted themselves.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:09 AM
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9. Martin not shaken by loss of Catholic sacrament for supporting gay marriag
VANCOUVER (CP) - Prime Minister Paul Martin said Friday he separates his privately held Roman Catholic beliefs from his duties as a politician, despite the apparent threat he could lose access to the sacrament of communion for his government's stand on same-sex marriage.

Catholic bishops meeting in Vatican City at the first synod led by newly anointed Pope Benedict XVI are expected to consider refusing communion to politicians who pass laws that violate church doctrine. "I am a practising Catholic, in fact I am a strong Catholic," Martin said at a news conference with visiting Mexican President Vicente Fox.

"But I am also a legislator and I believe in the separation of church and state."

Martin said his responsibility as prime minister was to uphold Canadians' rights as defined by the courts and to take the widest possible perspective into account.

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics/news/shownew...

Now for a dithering type of person it would seem that he has his feet in/on solid ground and is ready to fight on that point.
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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:48 AM
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11. and Saul and David did what?
I just knew that pope would be a frigging nazi. I he doesn't want to see guys outside of his group turning their backs on women and wearing dresses.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:42 AM
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14. Nothing actually.
It was David and Jonathan. Saul was David's father-in-law.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 09:45 AM
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15. I'm reminded of my reasons for being agnostic....n/t
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