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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:38 AM
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'Able Danger' officer's clearance revoked
'Able Danger' officer's clearance revoked
By Kimberly Hefling, Associated Press Writer | September 30, 2005

WASHINGTON --An officer who has claimed that a classified military unit identified four Sept. 11 hijackers before the 2001 attacks is facing Pentagon accusations of breaking numerous rules, allegations his lawyer suggests are aimed at undermining his credibility.

The alleged infractions by Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, 42, include obtaining a service medal under false pretenses, improperly flashing military identification while drunk and stealing pens, according to military paperwork shown by his attorney to The Associated Press.

Shaffer was one of the first to publicly link Sept. 11 leader Mohamed Atta to the unit code-named Able Danger. Shaffer was one of five witnesses the Pentagon ordered not to appear Sept. 21 before the Senate Judiciary Committee to discuss the unit's findings.

The military revoked Shaffer's top security clearance this month, a day before he was supposed to testify to a congressional committee.

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2... /
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:41 AM
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1. 1. Attack the whistleblower.
Check.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:45 AM
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2. pen stealing??
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:48 AM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:51 AM
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6. Stealing pens?
Help. The podpeople are running my government.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:25 AM
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11. Those worthless property of us Govt pens.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 10:26 AM by formercia
made by the lowest bidder. You get what you pay for except if you're a government agency.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:45 AM
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3. This infuriates me. Was listening yesterday to woman who was demoted
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 09:46 AM by Mr_Spock
for testifying before Dems about army corps issues (NPR). No crime is beyond the criminals in charge now. Republican fascism at its finest.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:05 AM
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15. "No crime is beyond the criminals in charge" Absolutely right...they have
committed crimes that might produce death penalties if tried. They have nothing to lose.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:36 AM
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19. "They have nothing to lose" Yep, neither did the fascists
...and people call US crazy for worrying about fascism?!!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:50 AM
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5.  Showing irresponsibility with $2,012 in credit card debt.
WTF? He paid the damn thing off! Why does a credit card balance come into question here? These are bully-tactics!! No doubt about it. Rummy has GOT TO GO!

Peace.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:52 AM
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7. What is the average credit card debt?
Isn't it something like $10K?

This guy is apparently a saint.

lol
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:54 AM
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8. Something like an average $10,000 per household. n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:20 AM
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9. Maybe he can talk about what happened to AD's Classified files now.
There is a widespread misconception that the Able Danger project was nothing more than a Pentagon GOOGLE that trolled through internet files and drivers license data. To some extent, Schaffer is responsible for perpetrating this myth about what AD was looking at.

In fact, as was confirmed by a little-reported Pentagon press briefing a couple days ago, the AD program had access to classified DoD data. What is the implication of this? It confirms that AD could have linked Atta to three other principal 9/11 hijackers by looking at the Defense Intelligence Agency's (DIA) own classified files. What was in those files? NSA intercepts of the AA Flight 77 hijackers (Pentagon crash) as they travelled to an al-Qaeda planning session in Kuala Lumpur in early January 2000.

So what happened at Kuala Lumpur? The flight 77 hijackers met with Atta's roommate and several other key al-Qaeda figures and planned the 9/11 attack and the bombing of the USS Cole.

So, how would US intelligence know about this? The CIA and a half-dozen other US and allied intelligence services monitored the meeting, and then followed the attendees as they left, the Flt. 77 hijackers as they flew to Los Angeles, and Atta's roommate as he returned to Hamburg.

We are told that the AD database, which contained "open source" (non-classified) data, was ordered erased four months before 9/11. That leaves the question: what happened to the classified DIA/NSA/CIA files from the Kuala Lumpur meeting?

For more details, see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Seeing as how Col. Shaffer no longer has a security clearance to protect, maybe he talk more openly about what DoD actually knew about the 9/11 plotters -- the "good stuff" contained in the classified files.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:23 AM
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10. They're attacking him...
.... so he must be telling the truth.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:36 AM
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12. Now I see why the DOD decided he could testify
Oct. 5

He surely is just too unreliable


:shrug:


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:48 AM
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13. Not sure I understand what you mean by
unreliable?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:00 AM
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14. Sorry leveymg I should have put that sarcasm smilie in there
:sarcasm:

The DOD seems to be trying to discredit him now before he testifies on Oct.5


I don't think he is unreliable
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:26 AM
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16. If that's the worst they can dig up, he still seems credible enough
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 11:27 AM by leveymg
I still have my concerns about the Col. -- and have since he started posting anonymously about on Inteldump -- that he may be spinning. There is an awful lot he hasn't revealed yet, and I hope that's just because he doesn't want to violate his nondisclosure agreement by revealing classified information.

Also, the AD project was compartmentalized, and he may not have had a particularly big picture of what the computers were coming up with, and what other analysts were looking at.

No one should believe that Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer knows the entire story. My hope is that he tells us substantially more than he already has, and that others now come forward to testify publicly about their own role and knowledge.

Do you have the witness list for October 5?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:31 AM
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17. Those damned liberals in the Pentagon are hiding somp'tin
I jess knows it.


:grr:

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:35 AM
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18. I'll bet they wouldn't be doing this if the info could hurt Clinton!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:31 PM
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20. Ya think?
What is it about these times that makes us so cynical? :D
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 01:48 PM
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21. The pattern is so clear here
This has got to launch another investigation of official misconduct to cover up other wrongdoing.
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:22 PM
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22. Sibel Edmonds, Bunny Greenhouse...
Janice Karpinski, Joe Wilson, Richard Clark, Paul O'Neill, Scott Ritter, Colleen Rowley, etc. On and on and on. When did truth telling become so hazardous to your life?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:24 PM
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23. When the truth became the enemy of the state.
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