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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:35 PM
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Sec. of State says ice skating, piano occupied her during '60s (drugs?)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050928-1501...

ASSOCIATED PRESS
3:01 p.m. September 28, 2005

WASHINGTON Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she was too young and too busy to feel much effect from the social changes of the late 1960s.

"I was very young at the time of the counterculture. I was 12 or 13," Rice, 50, told an interviewer this week. "And I was a music major. All I did was play the piano and ice skate. And so I don't think I focused very much on the counterculture. "

Rice did not answer Fox News Channel reporter James Rosen's question about whether she ever did drugs. She suggested he return to asking questions about foreign policy.

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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:36 PM
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1. Bullshit.
I'm one year younger, and had plenty of the "counterculture experience."
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:50 PM
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8. question
Why didnt they ask her if she was sleeping with her boss???She doesnt have a male friend and is always hanging onto the shrub,seems like they are closer than shrub and his stepford wife
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:54 PM
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11. Because she might lie about that, too?
Just a guess.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:56 PM
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22. Her parents could have sheltered her. Did she go to private schools?
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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:17 PM
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30. I don't know for sure, but I assume she did.
It would have had to be tightly gated. It was hard to live in a vacuum during that time.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:22 PM
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32. Unfortunately, there were conservative kids who could have
gotten through without being touched by the times. If they had been kept in a sheltered environment and if that environment had a touch of arrogance and superiority in contrast to those "unwashed liberals," well, it would explain everything that we know about Condoleeza Rice.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:25 AM
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68. SHE WASN'T GETTING A BEAUTY TREATMENT FOR SURE


I COULD SAY MORE---- BUT I'LL LET OTHERS MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS
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sando Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:03 PM
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86. No way
She is black and her parents would have had to have been living in a cave in Afghanistan not to have been aware of MLK's murder, and the many great things he did not only for Africa Americans but for all people seeking equality.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:37 PM
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2. I just can't picture it. n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:43 PM
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3. then she's a LOSER
if she's 50, she graduated high school in 73. she was aware of JFK, MLK, X, RFK, vietnam, watergate, etc. punk rock happened when she was a junior in college. 21. i graduated in 81, and i remember nearly all of that.

what a square. the republican party: alcoholics, squares, and prudes.
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wmills551 Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:27 AM
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60. Punk Rock?
Lets not mention punk rock in the same paragraph as MLK and JFK. Disco, perhaps, but not punk rock.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:18 AM
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66. punk was in 76-78.
she wasn't even out of college.

watch me mention this together: ghandhi & ethel merman
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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:56 PM
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93. Ummm why not?
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:43 PM
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4. She knows that if she had smoked pot, it would have made her wiser.
I can't see Condi on drugs. Drugs are for people who are looking to feel good and expand their minds. Condi wants no part of either.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:44 PM
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5. As a black woman, I pronounce that.....
Condi is a first-class, rose-colored glasses wearing c*nt!
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:11 PM
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13. Wow, someone doesn't like our Sec. of State! :) n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:30 PM
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43. Pronouncement ditto!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:10 AM
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65. I'll drink to that.
condi cola please.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:45 PM
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6. She "majored in music" when she "was 12 or 13"?
Hmmmmm.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:45 PM
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7. Bullshit also, Denver was a very political hotbed in the early 70s
When she went to college and then got her masters
Denver and Colorado had a very strong civil rights, anti Nixon, counter culture at that time

In 1967, the family moved to Denver when her father accepted an administrative position at the University of Denver.

In 1974, at age 19, Rice earned her B.A. in political science (cum laude) and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver. In 1975, she obtained her Master's Degree from the University of Notre Dame. In 1976 she switched her party registration/affiliation to the Republican Party.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:34 PM
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33. Are you serious?
She finished high school a year or two early, wrapped up her BA in 3 years, while taking grad courses? I assume she didn't do her entire MA in 1 year, just getting in all the required classes would be rough. And I'm trying to make reasonable guesses about how she shortened the time.

If so, I suddenly tend to wonder if she's not far from wrong. That kind of schedule, you either get sucked into the counterculture at age 13-14, and probably don't emerge for a while, or you're vaguely aware of it from some question on a test. (Unless somebody wants to be freeper-like, assume she did nothing, and her B.A. stands for 'black and admitted'.) Doing drugs a couple of time in the early '70s hardly qualifies as "counterculture".
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:22 PM
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41. When she was going to school for political science
Political Science's biggest talk was on Nixon and impeachment, South Afrika apartheid was also the talk of the day, now where the hell was she on that issue. Did she know who Steve
Biko was I doubt it. I got my Pol Science degree at the same time. A lot of local Black issues came up in Denver at that time.

I'm saying that even being busy in Pol Sci. you had to pay attention to what was happening on the planet let alone what was happening in Denver. Denver has a black population and a culture but I know her father never lived in those areas. She was in a bubble then as she is now.

I'm saying she's Uncle Ben's 10 minute instant white Rice which is not as nutritional as brown rice which takes much longer to cook and has better taste.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:46 PM
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42. "Brown rice takes much longer to cook.........
and has better taste."

LOL!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:01 PM
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85. A discipline is one thing, a way of life is another.
You can study the counterculture and not be affected by it in the least.

I know lots of PhDs in Slavic languages that can't order a beer in any of them. But they can discuss crossover phenomena, the semiotics of case syncretism, or proto-slavic sound changes with ease.

If she was as busy as the way her c.v. was presented suggests, she had no real time to be black, white, or anything but a student.

Then again, I also have this odd academic view from the 1920s that culture, language, and skin color are correlated, but there's no causal connection.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:21 PM
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88. Your right I had an Uncle on my X wife's side
Who was a professor and didn't notice anything happening in Nazi Germany in the 30's.
(true story and yes he did notice, died in a concentration camp in Denmark)
:sarcasm:
I appreciate your knowledge on what was happening in Denver without ever living there during that time.

But?

Why wouldn't she answer the question?
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:20 PM
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40. Sorry, but I find that resume a little hard to believe. eom
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:26 AM
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69. why is it hard to believe?
she's undeniably brilliant. She was a professor and Provost of Stanford by 35, not exactly a cut rate school, you know?

here's the wiki entry:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleeza_Rice

I have friends who did the Notre Dame Master's program in a year, it's the standard length for many master's programs in IR (the London School of Economics, for instance, has a 18 month program, the extra six months are field work, that can be waived with the right experience)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:34 PM
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81. And WHAT has SHE done???
Constance Baker Motley died yesterday. Please do check out what SHE did. :cry:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:55 PM
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83. well, she's the Secretary of State
that's kind of a nice line on a resume. you may not like what she's done, but she's been damn good at it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:20 PM
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87. That depends on your definition of
GOOD.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:26 AM
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62. Sheeit!
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 06:27 AM by Tandalayo_Scheisskop
I went to DU in the 70s. There were drugs EVERYWHERE there. Pot, 'shrooms, mescaline, speed and LSCrazy. The counterculture was the only culture because DU had disbanded the "Greek Culture" on campus.

No way she missed a thing. No way.

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:51 PM
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9. posts that make you go hmmm
So what's she hiding?

This is an oblique answer to a question. What doesn't she want to discuss?




Cher
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:53 PM
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10. Should've skipped a lesson and seen her dentist about braces
She could eat an apple thru a picket fence
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:32 PM
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15. LOL! Funniest post I have read today!
And boy do I ever agree!
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:10 PM
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26. Oh gosh, I was going to say something similar ...
Like too many "grateful dead" concerts left not enough time to get braces fitted. LOL
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:10 AM
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63. I think I've read enough about Rice's teeth
It seems dangerously close to a racist caricature to me.

Far better to shred her on policy than on dentition, don't you think?

Peace.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:28 AM
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72. I see it more as classist
than racist. makes it no less distasteful or pitiful to spend time commenting on someone's physical appearence.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:55 PM
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12. dub said he didn't "remember any heaviness" at college in the 60s
but Rice doesn't drink like a fish, the way Chippy does
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:22 PM
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14. Piano playing probably dominated her activities between Jan 2001
and September 10, 2001, that's for sure.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:37 PM
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56. The keyword is dominate
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:27 AM
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71. That is without a doubt....
the most disturbing image I have ever had the misfortune of gazing upon.

Thanks.

:puke:
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:36 PM
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16. Like anyone would want to chill and smoke with her. nt
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:12 PM
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27. And don't even think about tripping with her man!
You may never come back to us? :evilgrin:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:37 PM
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17. A non-denial denial
That's usually significant.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:37 PM
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18. She lies. Like the rest of the Imperial Family Henchpersons...she lies
Probably STILL addicted to prescrip drugs, now that they are available in unlimited quantities...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:45 PM
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19. Right..the Civil Rights Era just passed her on by without notice
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 06:52 PM by Solly Mack
sure it did...no one in her house was aware of it I guess.

and, btw, Condi...civil rights was considered "counterculture"...so I guess that just didn't affect you in any way.

Let's see...Condi's from Alabama and didn't notice the "counterculture" of the 60's.

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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:50 PM
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20. Heck if she did LSD and pot she might have been a better person
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ReaderSushi Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:56 PM
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23. Nonsense...
witness St. George...
but yeah, she does seem a bit uptight.
At least Furious George casually flips the bird to the press.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:59 PM
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38. * only did coke--no hippie drugs for that little jerk
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:17 PM
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31. Oh, I'd bet money she was with someone like Pickles in the
corner hording the pot and the best bong. I swear, unless you lived in "a hermetically sealed bubble" you smoked a little pot during the 60s and 70s?!?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:16 AM
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64. If Condi smoked anything, it would be hash OIL!
:smoke:

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:52 PM
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35. Didn't hear about those 4 little girls up the road in Birmingham?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:01 PM
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39. Obviously not. That woman is a piece of work.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:26 AM
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70. IN DEEP DENIAL
A "TOOL" OF THE BUSH CRIMINALS
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:32 PM
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76. Actually, I think Rice was a schoolmate of ...
one of the girls who was killed (Denise McNair). She's spoken about this in the past. I doubt she considers the civil rights movement to be part of the "counterculture."

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:12 PM
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79. Yeah, I've read that as well. However, if she doesn't consider
civil rights part of the counterculture, then she obviously wasn't aware of the prevailing culture around her...

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:26 PM
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80. Here's a definition of 'counterculture' from a major textbook publisher
The term counterculture referred to various alternatives to mainstream values and behaviors that became popular in the 1960s. Among these were experimentation with psychedelic drugs, communal living, a return to the land, Asian religions, and experimental art.

http://www.ushistoryplace.com/glossary/c.html


So I would say they don't consider the civil rights movement part of that either.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:48 PM
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82. the anti-war movement was also considered counterculture
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 05:09 PM by Solly Mack
Does anyone want to claim everyone opposed to Vietnam was on drugs, lived communally, desired a return to the land, got into Asian religions and experimental art?

I certainly hope not...MLK openly opposed the war...and he's not the only example.

http://www.africanamericans.com/MLKjrBeyondVietnam.htm


Another take on the Counterculture

http://www.cyberlearning-world.com/nhhs/html3/culture.h...

So I guess it's a question of who you ask.



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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:53 PM
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21. a music major at 12 or 13?
:wtf:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:37 PM
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77. guess she considers herself a protege
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:58 PM
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24. To me Rice is a non person. She could have done so much with her
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 06:58 PM by Mountainman
abilities yet she sold them to the highest bidder. She and Powell waisted two potentially great lives. They both laid down with dogs and now are covered with fleas.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:03 PM
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25. Selma , Alabama mean anything to you, Condi?
Montgomery? Little Rock, Arkansas? Watts? Harlem?... No?

How pathetic.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:52 PM
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36. That bonehead GREW UP in Alabama!
From the usual hagiographic CNN blurb: Rice -- who was born in Birmingham, Alabama, and spent most of her childhood there -- said the confluence of race and poverty is a vestige of American history.

So I guess she never heard of the Sixteenth Street Church or the Edmund Pettis Bridge either.

I'm a clueless white guy who was growing up in South Carolina about the same time. And I sure heard about those places.

And don't believe the hype about her sterling career as a Provost at Stanford University, either. One of the things she did there was what most of us would call "union-busting," IIRC.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:12 PM
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28. She suggested he return to asking questions about foreign policy
Down memory lane -

CondoLIESalot - "I'm happy to continue the discussion, but I'd like to do it in such a way that it does not impugn my integrity."

Ms. Simonette-Pure....
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:59 AM
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74. "does not impugn my integrity"? Translation: "does not expose me for
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 11:59 AM by Seabiscuit
the corrupt, lying POS I really am."
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:14 PM
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29. Eminently qualified to be a music instructor or an
ice skating judge. Secretary of State? Not so much.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:03 PM
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49. no, I don't think she has the personality to teach music
or she would be one of those reeeealy mean teachers we all hate.

I teach piano lessons and sure wouldn't want her anywhere a student of mine.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:47 PM
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34. the drugs are core to the foreign policy
Ironic indeed that the asshole would not want to discuss that.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:57 PM
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37. and she's been bitter ever since
i guess if i missed the 60s because i was too busy playing the damn piano i'd be angry & hateful too
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:56 PM
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44. Any boyfriends? At all?
I don't believe that I have seen any article on the web, in newspapers, magazines, or even TV about Condi and any men (I am excluding Smirk, of course). It's actually sorta sad. I wouldn't hold it against her if she had some guy on the side. I mean, so what?!
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:59 AM
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61. Sounds like she sacrificed everything for ambition.
No boyfriend, husband, family, or fun. I almost feel sorry for her. She's probably lonely, or will be when she's old.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:58 PM
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45. I doubt if she did drugs. If she did, she wouldn't be so fucking uptight.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:00 PM
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46. maybe she did drugs indirectly, Bush did drugs and she has done him.
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:05 PM
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50. Nah, I think even Condi has SOME standards
Misplaced as they may be. Just seems odd that there are no signs of fling, past romance, few boyfriends, anything for that matter. Is she a virgin? I don't think I have ever seen one!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:02 PM
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48. Two or three good acid trips would do this women a world of good.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 10:03 PM by 0007
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freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:06 PM
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51. HA HA HA HA! I like that one! n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:02 PM
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47. Well, She's Certainly Made Up For Lost Time
Hanging around with terrorists, criminals and thugs. Can you say Patty Hearst? What we have here is a super duper Stockholm syndrome effect.
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:06 PM
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52. You know, just like now, she had her head up her ass.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:25 PM
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53. I can't believe I'm speaking in Condi's defense, but
I was in high school from 1965-1968 and in college from 1968-1972, and I never used drugs during that time. I didn't smoke tobacco, either, although I did drink wine and beer at family parties, in accordance with my family's European background.

I went to a conservative high school while living with strict parents, and then to a college that was religious and politically liberal but socially conservative. Maybe about 20% of the students at the school used drugs, but the rest were on the straight and narrow.

I had my first joint in 1973, when I was in graduate school.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:58 PM
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91. My experience is so close to your's Lydia LeftCoast...but Condi is Wrong
How COULD SHE HAVE IGNORED what was going on in the SOUTH when she grew up. She would have had to have blinders on and plugs in her ears.

I AM Southern...and left there during College...but EVEN "I" Was Engaged Enough...to fight for Condi Rices. But, she didn't give shit about her fellow human beings.

Why did we bother? If this is what it's come to.

You know why? Because "some of us" believed in "Equal Rights for All." Sadly Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas and the Whitey's who betrayed us on the Left all were in the SAME SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.

Why did we defend them? When, they seemed to have been MORE THAN CAPABLE of Defending THEMSELVES and TURN AROUND on US!

It's really hard to fathom how little folks remember about how they got to where they are. They would say it's by their "bootstraps" and "hard work." I would say...F**k OFF! You bite the hand that helped you...and some of us sacrificed to help you and now you even forget us. :-( Sad Times...Sad Times.

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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:31 PM
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54. I'm 47, and I was a music major in a conservatory...
I remember plenty of parties and an abundance of discussion about counterculture, despite the fact that it was 1977.

Somebody, somewhere is going to come out with the truth about Ms GoodyGoody. It's only a matter of time.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:32 PM
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55. Hey! Give her a break
Ice-skating with a piano is "hard work"
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:52 PM
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57. How come a nice Conservative girl like Condi
isn't married with a couple of kids, baking cookies the way she's supposed to.


































































































































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DaDeacon Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:03 AM
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58. Have you ever seen her ?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 03:49 AM
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59. She's busy with her role
as the other woman.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:19 AM
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67. then she's a LOSER
if she's 50, she graduated high school in 73. she was aware of JFK, MLK, X, RFK, vietnam, watergate, etc. punk rock happened when she was a junior/senior in college. 21. i graduated in 81, and i remember nearly all of that.

mushrooms would have done her tight ass good.

what a square. the republican party: alcoholics, squares, and prudes.

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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:37 AM
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73. well, she's skating on thin ice now
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:11 PM
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75. B..U..L..L..S..H..I..T!
A black child in the 60's not exposed to or educated about "counterculture". That's horse-shit. I could see if she was a poor black child who was raised in the ghetto, where her mama and mema had been on welfare and no father figure was around. But she wasn't. I know damn well her parents made sure she knew what the fuck was going on around the world, especially the USA. No way she didn't know about Martin Luther King and his movement. And if she says he knew about his movement, then she knew that drug smoking hippies support his movement.

It's one thing to say you didn't do drugs because you were too young..but it's another thing to act like you are stuck on stupid. :spank:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 02:49 PM
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78. When did she say she didn't know that?
What she said was: "I was very young at the time of the counterculture. I was 12 or 13. And I was a music major. All I did was play the piano and ice skate. And so I don't think I focused very much on the counterculture. "

She said she didn't focus on it very much. She never said she didn't know about MLK, or that she didn't know that "drug smoking hippies" supported him. She just said she didn't focus on the counterculture.
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sando Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:59 PM
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84. Condi is black and that unaware ????
I'm a year older than she is and I was very much aware of what was happnening in the country. I remember the day MLK was murdered. She's black and claims not to know much about what was happening then??? Bullshit... She doesn't want to have to admit to herself that she has failed in living towards the dream of Martin Luther King. She doesn't want to have to admit that what was once a nation moving towards a more equitable society was commandeered by men like her boss's family.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:30 PM
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89. On the one hand, it has been shown that girls who are busy with
sports and other extracurricular activities are less likely to engage in sex and other experimental behaviors.

On the other hand, I think her answer was BULLSHIT.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:36 PM
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90. I'm 50 and the counterculture didn't have much to do with me, either.
I was watching Alfred Hitchcock and Twilight Zone reruns after school, not the news, and much more involved with my friends and school work than what was going on in the world. I smoked a little pot after I got married and have never done any other drugs. The first demonstration I ever went to was a pro-life rally during the decade of my delusion after I became a born-again Christian Repuglican at age 24. :hurts:

I'm living proof that people CAN change for the better. :)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:31 PM
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92. Has Condi changed for "the better" though. That's the question...
and I honestly can't see her and believe that she has. :shrug: But, I changed for the better FOR HER.

I guess I shouldn't expect a "return for my support of what she went through" because "times have changed." But, since I didn't forget her...I wonder why she forgot me, and us who supported her right to go to unsegregated schools and the college of HER Choice? We even supported free scholarships (not that Condi needed to take it or even was involved with any "affirmative action programs" but still many folks who couldn't go to college were enabled to go when the "Civil Rights Movement" make reforms possible.

I'm not asking Condi to remember those who fought for her in a "payback way" but sheesh...she could at least try to remember her roots and have some sympathy..and feeling that many folks died in Mississippi, Alabama and the rest of the Deep South for her...and families were ripped apart because of the cause of "Civil Rights." She and Clarence Thomas seem to feel they were born with rights that only folks TODAY in America can look too. And NOW both of them are fighting to take it all away, again.

:shrug: I don't have a way to deal with this...as someone who grew up in the South when the battle over Intergration vs Segregation was tearing the country apart.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:13 PM
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94. If her family was wealthy enough to afford ice skating
in the sixties, a time when most figure skating clubs REJECTED blacks, then I can understand why she cannot relate to the problems of most black people in the US. She WAS absent during the civil rights movement. She was sheltered by wealth and was probably not even allowed to associate with other black people. She probably wasn't even allowed to mention MLK's name in the house at that time. Her Uncle Tom father and Aunt Jemima mother had to keep their place in silence or else face the loss of place in the community (the figure skating club).

How do I know all of this?

I am black and currently an officer of a figure skating club. Figure skating clubs, for the most part are still insularly narrow things and many of them have a history of refusing blacks, hispanics and other minorities. In fact, the very oldest clubs in the nation now admit to the practice. If Rice was skating in the sixties, it is very nearly a miracle that she was allowed to do so. Money HAD to have changed hands for her to skate. Period. It has only been since about the eighties that blacks were fully welcome in figure skating. Don't believe me? Then read about Mabel Fairbanks (one of the greatest skaters in history, who was not allowed to compete) or Richard Ewell.

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=12118381

US Figure Skating isn't proud of this and is working to improve the image. Now, blacks and other minorities are more than welcome and the number of black skating judges is also rising.

The bottom line fact is that if Condy was skating in the sixties (at the same time that I was smelling tear gas during riots in the Northeast--we are about the same age), her family had to kiss a lot of white asses to do that. Period.

Condy's not a shining example of heroism or support for civil rights, if you ask me. . .


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