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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:36 PM
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Arkansas Clinic Offers Free Abortions (for Hurricane Evacuees)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_re_us/katrina...


Arkansas Clinic Offers Free Abortions
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Wed Sep 28, 6:35 AM ET
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A doctor has offered to perform free abortions on hurricane evacuees, saying it may be too dangerous for them to wait until they return home.

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"If we didn't provide it now, they would get it later a late-term abortion that would give greater risk to the mother's health," Edwards told KTHV-TV in Little Rock.

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Rose Mimms, executive director of Arkansas Right to Life, said Edwards is risking further traumatizing women who have already lost their material belongings. "This just adds to the devastation these women already have in their lives," she said.

But Marvin Schwartz, spokesman for Arkansas-Oklahoma Planned Parenthood, said Edwards is providing women with a needed service.

"The timing of the abortion procedure is, of course, extremely critical. The earlier in the pregnancy, the less critical it is," he said

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complete story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050928/ap_on_re_us/katrina...
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:39 PM
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1. Arkansas, here comes Ed Phelps.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:43 PM
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3. Fred would be fine with it
Just so long as they're only aborting gay babies.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:40 PM
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2. Now if they'd only offer free abortions to
Bible beaters i'd be overjoyed
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dingaling Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:46 PM
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4. ABORTION
is not something to joke about. I think the good doctor could have volunteered his services in some other way. What is wrong with some people? Here we have a major disaster and this doctor is advertising free abortions. Thats bullshit.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:55 PM
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6. Many evacuees have no money or health care. They will need free care.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 02:56 PM by CottonBear
The congress is holding up a 9 billion $ health care plan for evacuees who have lost their jobs and insurance and who don't even live in the same state where they may have had a state-sponsored health care plans. How many women were scheduled for appointments before the hurricane or who have found themselves pregnant after the hurricane? Women need to make the choice free from the control of men, politicians and fundamentalists and without any worries about how to pay the doctor.

I agree that no jokes should be made about abortion. However, as a woman who has had an abortion, I would never take away the right for a woman to make her own health care and reproductive choices.

The doctor is doing the right thing.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:55 PM
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7. The doctor explained why he was offering the free abortions....
and it is for a very good reason. He is free to volunteer his services in any way he wishes.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:16 PM
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10. No, it's not. That's why I am so glad this man is advertising his services
You are so afraid of the word "abortion" that you can't see what a service this man is offering. Or do you have at *least* $400 in your back pocket to give to these women burdened with an unwanted pregnancy on top of everything else they have to deal with?
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:29 PM
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11. no one is joking
he's providing abortions free to women who need one before they can return home. If they have to wait until they can return home, the procedure could be more difficult.

It's not like he's running around and gathering up pregnant women and forcing them to abort.

Sheesh :eyes:
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:35 PM
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14. These women are accepting voluntarily, of their own free will...
The good doctor's not exactly swooping down and performing abortions on them against their will. Last I heard, it's still up to a woman to choose whether or not she has an abortion.
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:36 PM
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15. Good for him
as for advertising, these women already are going crazy standing in lines wondering where to find services of every kind. Life has gone from living, to one long wait after another.

There's also the issue of the health of a pregnancy that, especially during the developing stages, was exposed to wading through contaminated waters, dehydration and malnutrition. Another thing to prey on the women's minds as they try to get their lives back in order and in many cases the lives of children they already have.

He isn't going on the streets rounding them up. It's offering them options and options is what Democrats try to have available. Merely options.
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:35 PM
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43. advertising free abortions
Well let me tell you missy that I would be damned glad if I was pregnant and homeless and had NOTHING like a lot of those women, that someone releived me of the added burden of being pregnant. Put yourself in HER place if you can or just keep your selfish views to yourself. Grace Stevenson
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:45 PM
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49. Abortion is legal in this country
why shouldn't a doctor provide them?
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tainowarrior Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:38 PM
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77. I'm supportive of abortion rights
but this is a little ridiculous. Can't the evacuees make the sacrifice to NOT have unprotected sex throughout the time that they are homeless or without material sources to provide for the children they may have as a result of unprotected sex?

With rights come responsibilities. Women should have the right to decide what happens with their bodies, but that doesn't mean they should lose all self-control and start having babies that will aggravate their health and their economic situation in the middle of a humanitarian crisis like Katrina.

I say this as a Latino man myself, and with the full knowledge that the majority of Katrina's victims are people of color, like myself. My sistas, Latina and black, this is not the time to be adding a new member to the family. Keep the legs crossed, and if it's impossible for you to not have sex in the middle of a humanitarian crisis, then please use condoms.

As for this doctor's services, please, could you focus on treating the wounded and sick, and not on promoting irresponsible birth-control practices in the middle of a humanitarian crisis.

If I was in such a crisis, the last thing that would be on my mind was having sex and kids. Let's the draw line somewhere, fellow DUers. We demand much of the goverment because it should be responsible for the welfare of our fellow citizens, but we don't demand much citizen responsibility in keeping what they do in this humanitarian disaster within reasonable boundaries.

Beyond that perspective, I also think it's horrible for the image of poor, minority people. People will say, "look at those black ladies. Having more babies on the dole". It just smacks of all the wrong things to do at the wrong time.

Just my 2 cents and nobody needs to be offended.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:11 PM
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96. You are a man- I'm shocked.
Who do you think is making these women pregnant? Have you ever heard of rape? Have you ever heard of birth control failing?

I doubt these women choose to get pregnant. But it happens unfortunately. And abortion is legal in this country.

If you don't agree- fine. Don't have one.

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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:25 PM
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105. What if they were already knocked up? There were rapes reported, too.
You know, what if a woman with a job and a car and all that decided to have a baby, then lost all in the flooding? Me, I don't know if I'd choose to bear a child after exposure to toxic floodwaters and mold and who knows what else especially knowing I wouldn't have the resources to raise the child anymore.

Not to mention the possiblity that women will need abortions after being raped. It's not like they could've gone to the pharmacy to get emergency contraception and the hospitals that were letting the sickest die and trying to save the rest almost certainly didn't have a SART nurse on hand to care for any rape victims who could get to thier facilities.

Show a little compassion, would you?
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:44 PM
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111. That's a load of crap
What if they were raped in the shelter? Most likely though it happened before the hurricane. So is it right to bring a child into the world when you have no idea where you are going to be living or what kind of job you might have. Stop blaming the women.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:27 PM
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119. Your Attitude Is Foolish And Chauvanistic
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 10:01 PM by iamjoy
It sounds like you are placing all the "blame" for sexual behavior on the women who should have "kept their legs crossed" with no focus on the man keeping his fly zipped.

Anyway, sex is a natural response to tragedy or trauma. Sometimes, people want to, or need to, reaffirm life in ways that may seem strange to some one on the outside.

Unfortunately, this sometimes leads otherwise decent people to commit unspeakable acts. I'm not talking about that, although we know that happens.

Loving couples may feel the need to reach out to each other in a physical way. When their lives are turned upside down, it may be the only thing that helps them feel normal. Sometimes, people without a loved one may, feeling lonely and scared, seek intimacy with a stranger. I can't say it is smart, but as long as the stranger is consenting, I am not going to sit in my comfy air conditioned house with my fully belly and judge the way these people coped with the disaster.

As for condoms, these people had enough to worry about.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:11 PM
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122. For somebody who says he is supportive of abortion rights, you
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 10:12 PM by kestrel91316
sure are good at spewing ANTI-WOMAN, ANTI-CHOICE c--p. You need to seriously reacquaint yourself with the concept of pro-choice and abortion rights. And why the hell are you recommending condoms? Condoms are ineffective birth control. Haven't you heard of the pill? SUCH IGNORANCE.........

How do you know the women from NOLA maybe didn't have to take antibiotics for treatment of wound infections from the debris, and it caused their birth control pills to become ineffective, and now they are pregnant. At a time of turmoil, ACCIDENTS HAPPEN.

Why are you referring to abortion as an "irresponsible birth control practice"??????? I think to admit that you can't care for a child under these difficult circumstances and go ahead with an abortion is the height of RESPONSIBLE behavior.

This is just ignorant, sexist, misogynistic c--p.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:48 PM
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123. And what advice do you have for the men...
you tell women to keep their legs crossed. What advice do you have for the men, or do you think the women reproduce themselves? Having sex might be the last thing you have on your mind in a crisis, but for a woman to become pregnant, it was obviously not the last thing on some man's mind. Why does all the responsibility fall on the women? If we are to bear all of the responsibility, then we should be able to make ALL decisions, unfettered by men's whims.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:18 PM
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124. DING DING DING!
Thank you, sister. :beer:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:45 PM
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126. oh give me a fucking break
How fucking macho of you to decide when it is and isn't appropriate to have sex.
I personally enjoy sex during times of crises, it is a wonderful de-stressor and I don't expect these people who have been displaced to remain virginal and in mourning. They are people. They have needs.
Get over it.
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:56 AM
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128. here's my 2 cents, and nobody need to be offended
this post is so full of shit on so many levels...
I'm sure my fellow DUers will take you to task on the specifics...
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:09 AM
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129. What if the women were pregnant before the storm?
They may not have even realized it. Now they must reconstruct their lives; many already have kids to care for. Save your lecture for the "fathers." How many of them are rushing forward with support?

You claim kinship with these women but point out that you are Latino & they are black. Those who feel they must accept this doctor's help are NOT having more babies on the dole.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:04 PM
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121. If you have just lost your home, job, and everything you own,
it may be a VERY bad time to be having a baby. The doctor is offering a community service.


Oh, I'm sure all those women will just go running off to the good doctor for their fun, exciting, free abortion!!!! Wow! makes me want to go get pregnant, too, just so I can get MY free abortion!!!!
-------sarcasm off-------------


Leave women alone with their private medical decisions, please. Just BUTT OUT.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:47 PM
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5. I am glad this clinic is available.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:59 PM
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8. Free medical services are a good idea.
Free dental would be useful, too. Perhaps other doctors will follow this example.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:04 PM
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9. Quite a bit of medical care was provided in Houston.
But not of the specialized type the Arkansas doctor is offering. An unwanted pregnancy would be an additional burden for someone who has lost her home (& maybe her job). Even if the ladies are not penniless, their funds are not all that available.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:51 PM
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17. Was the medical care in Houston also
services donated by individual practitioners? (In other words, not paid for by the U.S. government.)
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:03 PM
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27. Yes.
The big staging area for evacuees was Reliant Park (Astrodome, etc.) It's right next to the Texas Medical Center, which is full of doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, etc. Quite a few volunteered to help. A clinic was set up to take care of major & minor problems.

Some patients were med-evaced (sp?) from NOLA (& elsewhere) directly to hospitals who admitted them without prior financial clearance. (Those who can pay will--eventually--but this was a very big dispensation by the bean counters.)

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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:31 PM
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12. You know, a comprehensive health plan for all Americans sounds good...
Think you're on to something, here. Why should we have to get hit with a natural disaster to get health care?
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:49 PM
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16. While I fully agree with you,
I think even the victims of the natural disaster will be lucky to get free health care.

Sad, isn't it?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:53 PM
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19. Only in America...
Give me your poor, your tired...so I can kick 'em while they're down, and replace their abandoned neighborhoods with golf courses.

Sigh.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:56 PM
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21. That may be what it says
on the Statue of Liberty. I should take a closer look.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:04 PM
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29. Have to give a grand to DeLay's legal fund to get that close, I think....
Have to fund Homeland Security somehow, y'know.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:02 PM
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90. DeLay's Legal Defense Fund.
The very thought of it makes me smile. :)
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:07 PM
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115. Hobarticus, with your 3 great posts you are becoming a new favorite DUer
Huzzah to you, sir or ma'am. :)
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:07 PM
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112. I think you should take a closer look
especially since the Green Lady was given a major makeover during the Reagan years.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:11 PM
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116. Oops.
...given a major makeover during the Reagan years...

Time for a trip downtown with a pair of binoculars. (Probably get Homeland Securitized for the binoculars.)
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:14 PM
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117. But Chimpy is proposing health care for illegal immigrants, so I guess
that's OK
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:37 PM
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120. He proposes a lot of things;
he just doesn't allow them to happen. (Unless they are profitable to Bush & Co.)
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:33 PM
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13. Right On!
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:52 PM
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imperialismispasse Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:58 PM
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23. Uh
"Murder fetuses"?
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:01 PM
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26. Sorry
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 04:02 PM by TrueAmerican
Sorry, you were questioning FreakyFreddie , go right ahead.
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imperialismispasse Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:03 PM
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28. No problem
I wanted to tell him to enjoy his short stay but I guess we are not supposed to call people out. :)
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imperialismispasse Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:29 PM
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40. Oh I dont know
Maybe because you used the term "murder fetuses" on your second post?

Wait is this Fred Phelps?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:24 PM
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103. His first post was to defend Rush Limpballs.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:21 PM
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65. Because on DU, pro-life members use respectful language (nm)
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:40 PM
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46. better be careful
you can't call a poster a freeper
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:08 PM
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31. A more Noble Cause might bere to MURDER A FEW IRAQI ISLAMICS
FOR THE CHIMP???
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:27 PM
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106. Yes, Republicans seem to need more babies for the war machines.
:toast:
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:11 PM
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33. And you have the right to your opinion.
Mine, however, differs from yours. I don't see him "murdering" anything.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:12 PM
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34. a noble cause? Like killing innocent Iraqis?
your logic escapes you.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:31 PM
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42. You used the same phrase Bush used regarding Iraq
Why is killing Iraqi children OK but providing safe and legal abortions to women is not?
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:41 PM
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48. uh..ok. so what should this doctor be doing instead?
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 04:44 PM by Beaverhausen
in case you forgot abortion is still legal in this country.

edit- and how do you know he isn't providing all kinds of health care to women and children?
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:06 PM
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56. Read the whole article
He works at a family planning clinic. These clinics provide healthcare, contraception and abortion services for women. It is the only one in central Arkansas. I doubt his clinic needs any advertising.

He is trying to help these women who not only are jobless and homeless but find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy on top of it.

I applaud him. If you disagree fine.

But if you keep using language like "murdering fetuses" here expect to be flamed.
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:49 PM
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84. Last I heard, there were almost 100,000 evacuees in AR.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 05:49 PM by DawgHouse
It IS a signficant number.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:13 AM
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130. Adios
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:14 PM
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35. Go preach to GOP whose dtrs. have "appendectomies"
or get sent overseas to private clinics in Switzerland while ostensibly on "ski vacations." Abortion is a serious matter, and a decision not lightly taken by the great majority of women who decide to have one. Of course, if our young people routinely received effective education about birth control, and access to methods of birth control, many unplanned pregnancies could be avoided.

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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:20 PM
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37. Misused blather
I don't think you're going to find anyone who will agree with you on that anti-choice talking point. Tsk, tsk. You shot your wad too quickly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:30 PM
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:35 PM
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44. DU members who think "murdering fetuses" is a reasonable statement
Please stand up!
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imperialismispasse Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:39 PM
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45. Yes "a person" could be
But my guess is that most "people" who are "Democrats" don't come on a "liberal message board" and post the words "murdered fetuses" in their second post.

Just sayin.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:53 PM
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:03 PM
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55. I can say since you're a man you will never have an abortion.
You can have an opinion but you have no right to deny a woman you don't even know reproductive choice so keep your opinions to yourself. If you want to work reduce the number of abortions (which have increased during the Bu$h junta) support massive sex education, free contraception, always use condoms and buy your partner birth control pills or a diaphragm, get a vasectomy or become celibate.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:06 PM
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imperialismispasse Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:11 PM
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60. "Choice begins when her panties hit the ground"?
Your like a caricature you know that? Here's a couple choice words for you:

RAPE. INCEST. LIFE OF THE MOTHER.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:17 PM
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64. How could you possibly know why a woman chooses to have an abortion
since you're (supposedly) a man?
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:21 PM
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66. What the hell are you talking about?
do you have anything to back up that statement?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:13 PM
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61. That is disgusting. You are advocating rape. That is criminal. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:15 PM
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:27 PM
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69.  And the man's choice ends
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 05:28 PM by ismnotwasm
Once he is finished ejaculating. Ejaculating into a vagina, or leaking sperm near a vagina, can result in pregnancy. If you are worried about abortion- Never have sex with a woman you don't want to have your baby. Because once you pull out, your choice is over.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:30 PM
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:34 PM
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73. Cute
I was referring to male choice. Once pregancy happens, it's up to the woman. I don't care if she uses serial abortion for birth control. It's no longer your business. Period.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:36 PM
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:45 PM
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80. "choice begins when her panties hit the ground"???
:wtf:

You're kinda sick, dude. :(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:46 PM
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:27 PM
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107. You remind of Clayton Williams: " just lie back and enjoy it."
Hey DUer's, earlier this Freeper freddy was defending Rush Limpballs.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:03 PM
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91. Jesus H Christ on Wheels. "MURDERING FETUSes". How about
Intelligent Design while we're at it?

:wtf:

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:10 PM
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59. Democrats are Pro-Choice. We stand for a woman's right to make
reproductive choices and we stand for free or low-cost health care for all Americans.

No one is pro-abortion. Democrats work to reduce the number of abortions by providing excellent sex education, increasing access to health care providers and family planning clinics, providing low-cost or free contraception and making sure both men and women have good educations and well-paying jobs.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:25 PM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:30 PM
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71. Talk about "broad statement"
How many of these women do you know? Just where do you get your statistics? And how about the men? Don't they have any responsibility?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:35 PM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:39 PM
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78. Heritage House? There's an objective information source
from the website:

Our Mission

We are committed to the sanctity of life at all stages and to the traditional values of the institution we call the family. Because we value human life above all things our number one priority is serving you.

*************

You claim to be a democrat and yet you link to an extremist righwing website.

and really, haven't you ever heard of rape? Women do get pregnant from being raped.

and birth control does fail sometimes.

oh god..why and I bothering with you.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:45 PM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:56 PM
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87. Ok...let me try this.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 06:06 PM by Beaverhausen
there is something we can agree on. We would both like to see fewer unwanted pregnancies in this country.

How can we do that? I think we need better sex education for boys as well as for girls as well as better access to contraception and healthcare.

Do you agree with any of that?


edit: oops- I had to edit the first sentence.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:59 PM
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:05 PM
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92. That makes no sense...
So basically, you want things to be like they were before, back alley abortions with thousands of women maimed or dead because of it? You are a sick fuck.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:09 PM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:12 PM
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97. It was only legal in some states. Ya Know.
It wasn't legal everywhere.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:15 PM
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101. Not in much of the country it wasn't.
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 06:15 PM by nvliberal
You had to be well off to be able to travel to other states to get an abortion. States like California and New York had liberalized laws, but other states outlawed it entirely or allowed it only to save the woman's life, rape, incest, or deformity of the fetus.

Texas was one with restrictive laws, and Roe v. Wade struck it down and all restrictive laws in other states were overturned as a result.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:14 PM
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109. Facts of life
Judging from your attitude both times you had intercourse you were willing to assume the responsibility of fatherhood. Some people, get this, men and women, often have sex for pleasure and not to become parents. It gets more bizarre, married people have sex for reasons other than procreation! I know that is unbelievable to you, but
married people even sometimes experience unplanned pregnancies.

I hope you're sitting because this news might topple your world, but husbands often support wives who chose abortion. That's right, a married woman who has only had one partner in her life can still need an abortion, it's not just your "whores" who drop their panties for every helpless man who can't stop himself who have abortions, it's the lady next door. In fact the promiscuous girls know how not to get caught.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:18 PM
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113. The ONLY woman I have ever known to have had an abortion
was my aunt. It was in 1945 (was illegal then) and she was a MARRIED woman of 45 and a grandmother to a 2 year old girl. She was starting menopause. Yes, it was her HUSBAND'S child. Neither of them wanted to be parents again. She was a middle class woman who had enough MONEY and connections to pay her OB/GYN to say she needed a therapeutic abortion because of her "serious heart condition".

Women with the financial means ALWAYS had a way to get an abortion. It was the POOR who were forced to have kids they didn't want and couldn't afford. Making abortion illegal now will change none of these facts.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:07 PM
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93. so, what is your solution?
sex only for procreation?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:13 PM
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:25 PM
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104. How adult were you the first time you had sex?
Here in the real world where the rest of us live sex is a natural physical desire and need that occurs way before we are "adult" enough to be a parent.

Do you honestly think teens will stop having sex?

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:44 PM
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79. The "panty statement" is offensive. Do us a favor: don't have sex. n/t
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:13 PM
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99. Maybe they chose to concieve
then they lost thier house and job and a family member or two and decided maybe this isn't the best circumstance to have a child? Or they're worried that the child could be negatively effected by the mold and toxins the mother was exposed to?

People don't make the decision to abort lightly, sometimes it's just the least awful option available.

PS You're assuming that life begins and is ethicly significant at conception. Not only is this a difficult decision to defend with science, it's also contrary to historical and religious tradition which placed the moment where a fetus gained personhood and abortion became a sin and potential crime at quickening, the first detectable movememts which occur sometime in the late first or early second trimiester.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:38 PM
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76. "Anti-Abortion"
It figures coming only from a dude. :eyes:
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:57 PM
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88. Yes, and definitely not an erudite one at that! nt
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:09 PM
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94. A person can be a Democrat and be antiabortion, of course,
but supporting the criminalization of abortion is the wrong side to take.
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:17 PM
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102. If you don't support outlawing abortion, then why are we even
debating this?

Whether or not abortion remains legal in this country is the issue. One can be personally opposed to it yet not support outlawing it.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:30 PM
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108. You called it murder. Murder is a crime. You consider it a crime.
That is supporting criminalization.
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wellstone_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:55 PM
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52. many are doing that and how do you know this one isn't?
you don't. But, I'm going to guess if every service medically possible was offered you'd still be bitchin' about abortion being one of them.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:56 PM
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53. How can one murder a "noble cause"?
The docotr is choosing to offer his medicalk services free of charge as a public service to the female victims of the hurricanes.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:25 PM
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67. Phelps?
:)
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:53 PM
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86. You know, a doctor performing his duty can't "murder" a fetus! What a
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 06:08 PM by VegasWolf
clown!


:crazy:
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:56 PM
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20. A LOT
of free medical care has been provided throughout the southeast -- donated by practitioners, including the cost of supplies and drugs.

I know in my area, doctors are seeing evacuees regardless of insurance status or ability to pay. Most practices are still owned by individual doctors or small groups -- so seeing the patient for free is still free.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:58 PM
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22. Contact information for donations


Planned Parenthood of Arkansas and Eastern Oklahoma


The Peoria Facility
1007 S. Peoria
Tulsa, OK 74120
(918) 587-7674
(918) 582-4921 (Fax)
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:21 PM
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125. Thank you!
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:01 PM
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25. what a thoughtful gesture
i'd hate to be dealing w. all this crap & an unwanted baby too, can you imagine

if it wasn't for all the numbnuts that make providers necessarily suspicious, i swear i'd send flowers to that clinic!
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UncleSepp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:05 PM
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30. It's what he does. I bet if he were a cook, he'd give free meals.
There's probably not as much to this as it appears - this guy wants to give his professional skills to people who might need them, and his professional skill is doing abortions. I'd imagine too that losing everything might make a person rethink the decision to bring a baby into the world. For some, the baby will be the one thing they still have. For others, the baby will be a little person they will not be able to care for in a country that has already abandoned them. That also might be what this doctor is thinking, doing what he can so that such an important lifelong decision isn't made on the basis of whether money is available this month.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:09 PM
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32. I just hope
One of Eric Rudolph's buddies is not reading that.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:07 PM
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58. BLESS this doctor!
He is very much providing a needed service. It's amusing to watch the fundies have a hizzy over it, too.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:32 PM
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72. I worked for an abortion dr who did one free abortion whenever
the anti-choice people came to the clinic to rally..They were sooo
pissed..
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:16 PM
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118. Bwahahaaa!
That's great! Excellent idea. :applause:
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Dhampir Kampf Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:37 PM
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110. You knew..
Of course they would respond that way, even if it is in an, 'ethnical' situation, like it is.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:48 PM
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114. Good for them.
I applaud all acts of compassion. No, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm pro-choice all the way. If I had a Uterus, I wouldn't want the government telling me what I could or could not do with it. This is a fundamental human right.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:02 AM
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127. Ethnic Cleansing?
I'm Pro-Choice, but I don't like how our fellow-American hurricane victims have been transported, without their prior knowledge of where they were going (till in flight) in UT/TX/OH and DC - why so far from their homes?

The way I see it, ***&Co see OIL in those Gulf waters, not people rebuilding their lives since the HALLIBURTON/ROVE/CHENEY machine moved right on in.

What we need is an EMERGENCY ADM*&CO Abortion!
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