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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:40 AM
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DAN (Rather) WANTS SECOND GO AT BUSH ("Memogate" scandal)

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/54213.htm

DAN WANTS SECOND GO AT BUSH

September 28, 2005 -- DAN Rather wants to reopen the investigation into President Bush and the National Guard story that resulted in the Memogate scandal and led to his early departure from the anchor desk.
But his bosses at CBS have forbidden him to go back at it, he said.

"CBS News doesn't want me to do that story," Rather said during an interview that aired on C-SPAN Monday night.

"They wouldn't let me do that story," he said during the shockingly frank interview with former NBC newsman Marvin Kalb.

Rather continues to insist that the story was correct and suggested in...


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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:42 AM
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1. Stand up Dan! If you have even a shred of a ball...
Stand the fuck up!
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Shredr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
35. I agree... but "a shred of a ball"? Ouch. n/t
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. LOL! A shred of a ball! LOL! nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #1
52. MSM: Add up those vertabrae & see if ya can't come up w/ a spine, huh?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #1
74. Dan Rather has balls. You might not remember his remarks to
Nixon about having 'something to hide'. Dan is the Man.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
84. *cough* or the equivalent of half an ovary.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #84
122. Ovarian fortitude.
:)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:44 AM
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2. Too late now, Danny!
Personally I feel that "Memogate" was the final nail in the coffin for Kerry last year. It was enough to make the rethugs realize that we were desperate and would do anything to get Bush out of office, even if it came down to something like forgery and they used that to completely destroy us.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. Yeah, it was a Karl Rove trick
I felt that from the very beginning. A highly effective one, unfortunately.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. The "war record" was the whole point of Kerry's candidacy
Dems thought a real veteran could counter a faux fighter pilot who had likely deserted the Alabama Air National Guard. We certainly did not nominate him for his speeches.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #13
48. People should have realized that the "Swift boat veterans"...
Were lying assholes. Part of the whole Memogate crap was I think that we were trying to get back at the Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth". If Rove wants to play hardball, we should too!
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #13
56. True, but I don't think Kerry ever called * on the carpet for it.
I read recently (paraphrasing) what Kerry should have said:

"I didn't make our Vietnam service an issue. They did. I served my entire tour; he kept dental appointments. I went. I came back. I spoke out about what I saw. All the president has to show for his service is a couple of fuzzy check stubs."

I'm a vet, I wanted Kerry to f*ck him up on this and he didn't. Hence the swiftboating was a success.
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
37. Just think if that secretary would have said she did write that memo.
Rove would have shit his pants like he's doing now waiting on Fitzgerald's indictments to come down.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
58. But she did.
She said the content was identical to memos she typed. However, she did not type these.

She absolutely AFFIRMED the CONTENT.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #58
86. That was the most important point.
I have no idea why they dropped it like a hot potato. She confirmed the content.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
105. Yeah, but the whole thing was
that she said that the memo itself was a forgery, even though the content was more or less accurate.

It's clear what happened. Someone forged documents that would incriminate Bush re. his National Guard service. But the forger inserted one or two deliberate flaws in the forged documents. And then, as if on cue, the Freeper "Buckhead", or whatever his name was, "pointed out" (he was told ahead of time what to point out) that the memos contained type that apparently was not yet available on IBM Selectric typewriters of the document's alleged year.

We know that "Buckhead" was part of some convoluted plot because he blogged his "discovery" about an hour after the 60 Minutes broadcast concluded. The document was shown on air for like, five seconds, and so there's no way "Buckhead" could have been able to normally decipher the carefully injected flaw.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #105
106. Which was disproven by many others, including me.
The "typeface" did exist then.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #37
98. ...While (probably...) "hidding" a few "Billion$" in some "places"
never to be found again...

Yep. These taxpayers' cc charged IOUs will come real handy after he'll get outta jail (or after he'll be "pardoned"?)... :mad:
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nvliberal Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
115. Oh, sure it was.
Not everything is a Karl Rove-inspired conspiracy.

The memos were genuine; there's no question of it. The idiots who tried to label them forgeries were committing a con on anybody not familiar with typewriters and typesetting.

As an experienced typist, I could tell they were typewritten, and most likely they were typewritten by Killian himself, given the fact they were not professional-looking documents.

But the phony bloggers were worried about the fallout from Bush's National Guard Service, and so they had to cast doubts on the whole story by focusing on a peripheral matter.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #115
121. Sorry, I disagree
The whole thing is a bit too convenient. Talking points all lined up, a blogger who was actually a Republican activist/operative "blowing the whistle."
A mysterious woman -- the source of the documents -- who was never seen again.
An exceedingly ingenious dirty trick. I have to hand it to them.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #2
21. Oh bullshit.
This was the act of journalists....despite the fact that you've been drinking the RETHUG coolaid about CBS being the hotbed of liberal activist jounalism, DAN RATHER is not a DNC functionary, and this whole scandal was just another "LIBERAL MEDIA" fake-scandal.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #21
47. It's not rocket science here!
I was serious - The rethugs saw us as being full of crap. The fact that there was a serious report about some phony documents was what they used to completely destroy us.

Really I cant be the only one who saw it coming. Rather is still the whipping boy of the Limbaugh flock, they'll never let it go.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. It's the only claim REPUBs have to dispell the truth of *'s AWOL history.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #51
76. They'll do anything to keep Bush in office
It's sad, the rethugs are so much like brainless sheep it's not even funny.
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Sparkman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #76
91. And diversity is our strength, and shows sincerity. We don't do "lockstep"
like the alien brain-chigger-infected robots inhabiting the Republican's bodies.
You can always tell a conspiracy when they all tell the same lie, what else can explain the lying en masse?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
57. Excuse me? You think WE did this?
Unbelievable.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #57
77. I dont think WE did this...
But like I said in another post - Rather became the whipping boy of the rethugs virtually overnight because of this incident.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #77
94. wrong....rethugs have hated Rather forever
they just used the spin on this to get rid of him
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #2
85. Forgery?? I must have missed the part when it was proven that those
documents were forged. I know damn good and well that those in a position to know verified that what they said was true.

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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. It wasnt proven. But no one could deny it was fake either.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #87
101. um.. what was that about "proving negatives"?
I seem to remember a problem about that...

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
93. the story about W was CORRECT.....there's some doubt abt forgery
moral of story according to M$M....RW blogs always right; dem blogs always wrong
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
102. Exhibit A, How We Betray Our Own
The kind of comment you just made is why we lost last year, helping them win by repeating their talking points. And yet it continues..
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:44 AM
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3. the way I understood it, it was correct
It is an outrage to let this journalist's career be sullied by a Rove maneuver.

Stay with this story, Dan! We support you!




Cher
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #3
12. Rove maneuver?
Did Rove create the forgery? I hadn't heard that theory before, but I wasn't following this issue when it came to a head originally.

Was Rather set up by Rove?
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Yes, Rather was set up by Rove!
I can't prove this but I believe this in my heart of hearts!
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
42. Sorry, the memo may have come from Rove but
in the rush to get it on CBS did not do it's job. If they had, we would seen the story with irrefutable proof or it would not have ran.

Donning Flame Suit....
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Did you read my post? I said I couldn't prove it, so what are
you sorry about?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. do you smell the giveaway smell of poor spelling?
I b'lieve I do.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
EEeeewwww!!!

peace.
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. I think Rove 'strawman'ed Rather..

AFAIK, Rove created a forged paper, sent it in the pile of real documents, the media swallowed it, then the whole thing got discredited for this 'fake' document.



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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. Very interesting...
I need to read more about this.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #20
66. and there was the suspicious very quick
"discovery" of the type font that was used in the memo, a font that didn't exist in the 70s when the memo was supposed to have been written. This was a set up pure and simple.

It was right out of the Rove playbook. He once stole official stationery from his opponent's office in Texas and sent out a notice of a beer party on it, so he could embarrass the opponent. The opponent LOST because of it.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #66
88. The font DID exist.
I'm on dial up, or I would go looking for that information. The font did exist. The Republicans denied it existed, but it DID exist.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #88
107. EXACTLY!! I was among the ones who used it.
It DID exist.

I wish people would stop spreading repuke LIES!
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. But notice how simple that lie was.
One false sentence: "The font did not exist." That's all it took for many people to dismiss the whole thing.

A blatant lie. You are not the only person who used it, and there are people who didn't use it who know it existed. So much for journalism. "The font did not exist" ended the entire investigation.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #108
111. But what I don't get is
that Dan Rather could have used the proof that you and others who rebutted me obviously possessed to counterattack. If this is a lie, why didn't Rather defend himself with the facts?

I like to offer up cold, hard facts to my RW adversaries, even if they don't because then I can say "You do not have the facts, just hearsay, here are the facts." Otherwise, it's just a back and forth "Did not"/"Did so" sparring match.

At the time, I thought that the font issue was a plant by Rove, deliberately done to discredit a true story. I believed it was a set up. Some people were lined up to call Rather on the font issue after he went with the story, and we were left to scramble around. Rather's response "WEll, it was true anyway" just didn't hack it.

My point is we've got to do better with our facts, otherwise we are just lamely arguing about it almost a year after it happened and we got W again for prez.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #111
114. WE don't get to argue about it at all.
Why did Rather drop it? Honestly, if Rather wouldn't support himself, what was left?

The simple statement that the font didn't exist is untrue. That really has nothing to do with the content of the document, which was verified by that woman whose name I forget.

Rather dropped it. That alone made it a non-issue.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #114
116. Okay, I believe you
please get me the factual evidence of this. I want to have it to use against all my RW adversaries.

But what I STILL don't understand is if Rather had the evidence that what he said was true, he didn't use it. Why? Why would he damage his reputation so late in his career to do this? Believe me, I know my RW adversaries and they would ask that same question. We had better have a good answer and I'm not hearing it from this thread.

Pleez.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #116
117. What in the world do you expect to hear? The font is not the crux of the
matter.

Did you watch when Rather interviewed that woman (whose name I forget)? She said the content of the document was factual. That was Rather's cue to track it down in whatever way necessary. He dropped it.

If Rather can't or won't stick up for himself, why would you waste your time convincing "adversaries" about font? Since the piece of paper (a photocopy) is assumed to be a forgery (photocopy of a forgery) what matters is verifying the content and context. (Even if that means coming up with another document.) And you won't be able to convince anyone of anything because you don't have the piece of paper to show people the font, and show people that IBM Selectric (some types) had the same font.

Re forgery: If the font exists, does it prove the document is real? A forgery could have been made using an existing font. Know what I mean? This was a photocopy. Was it the font people think it is?

I know this is a long winded answer without giving you a link to a font discussion, but I'm on dial up, and don't really care about the font. I care about Rather dropping it. He made it look false when he did that. Now he is complaining that the document was true (or its content was true). He's the one who made it look false by dropping it as soon as it was contested.

If I were you, I wouldn't waste time trying to convince diehard Bush supporters either way. Wait for an investigative journalist to actually do something. (And don't hold your breath.)

The answer you are not hearing from this thread you need to hear from Rather. Why did he drop it?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #117
118. Actually, I don't want to try to "convince"
these diehard blowhards. I know I won't. But I've learned that when I have facts on my side, I can do the most damage to RWers arguments and I've satisfied myself by doing my homework. I's fun to throw factual evidence at them and then ask "What've you got?" They are forced to slink away or huff and puff lamely. An amusing spectacle!

I agree with you about Dan Rather. His lack of follow up is bewildering. Let's hope he will now.

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #118
123. I'm relieved to hear you are not trying to convince them.
I think they are unconvincable, since facts don't count much to them.

If the search function is working, search DU. Very recently, there was a thread about Rather and AWOL, and in the thread was a link to an IBM Selectric site, or something similar.

Even if you are not trying to convince them, I think you should try to prevent them from focusing on the "sideshow" instead of the heart of the matter: Was Bush AWOL?

Related poem:

As you ramble on through life,
Whatever be your goal,
Keep your eye upon the doughnut,
And not upon the hole.

Best of luck in your encounters with them. :hi:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #123
124. Well, good luck on trying to convince them of anything!
I gave up on that a while back. I now just try to wear them down with facts, which they don't have!

It's amazing how little they have. You can really reduce them to shreds if you have the facts, which is why I like to be armed with them. They just wilter in the face of facts.

I doubt if minds are changed. However, they are certainly challenged.
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WhereIsMyFreedom Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
27. No forgery
There was no conclusive proof that the document was a forgery, the entire thing was that Rather was unable to prove their authenticity. Of course, the freepers and the 'liberal media' hid that fact well and harped that it was a fake.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. Wikipedia has a long page on this:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #31
96. remember...anyone can write for Wikipedia
IOW, it may not always be the best reference
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StrafingMoose Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #96
100. _you_ can do the factcheck after reading it.

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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #100
113. And if you don't agree, you can change it...
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
43. Very Important Point
The whole idea that it was a forgery was due to the freeper attacks and freeper bloggers who were claiming that such and such type/font didn't exist back then when, excuse me, it did!
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #12
33. Why do you keep saying "forgery"?
It was never proven to be a forgery. The testimony was along the lines of "I can not AUTHENTICATE that document, but the commander WAS getting pressured to ease up on bush. He shared that feeling with me."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #12
36. Absolutely
The trail leads to that pervert guy with the blond hair and his wife, who were GOP fundraisers in FL. They were Karl's hatchet couple, I suspect. Burkett was patsied.

The NG secretary said the substance of the memos was the same, that she typed correspondence with the same essential statements contained therein.

Rather got gamed, but his essence was correct. He was just too quick out of the gate and failed to triple-check. Ya gotta always figure with this GOP crowd that they are, indeed, out to get ya.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Roger Stone, and his Cuban-American wife, Nydia
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 01:15 PM by Judi Lynn


He's been a very aggressive Republican activist. Creepy guy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. That's them!!!
Good, salt of the earth, typical Republicans!!!!!!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #39
55. cripes pass the mousse, gel. blowdryer & curling iron. Ouch.
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
41. Somebody in the RW created the fake document
The claims of forgery were almost instant. There's no other reasonable explanation for the fake and the instant "proof" that it was fake.

What gets lost in all this is that the secretary who allegedly wrote the real memo said the facts were correct, forged document or not.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:24 PM
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60. I spotted the problem, too.
I remember being yelled at online that first night because I said that we had to explain the "th" or we were in trouble with the documents. ANY older secretary would have noticed the "th".

But people researched and found out that there were machines that could do it, we just couldn't prove the TANG had them.

Also, Rather never asked the secretary who replaced her when she was out sick or on vacation.

So far as I know, we STILL don't know that the documents were forgeries.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:07 PM
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53. Nobody proved the memo was a forgery.
The provenance was questionable, but there WERE proportional spaced typewriters in use in those days. I used one.

More importantly, nobody ever even attemped to contradict the facts of Bush's "special" appointment to TANG & his abandonment of his duty.
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Sunkiss BlueStar Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:55 PM
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97. Without a doubt NJCher
I want to see my favorite anchor VINDICATED.

Hell, the damn story is true all Dan needs is the rest of the documents or at least a copy.

Im calling BULLSHIT on anyone who thinks The Drunk In The White House wasnt AWOL.

These Repuke Hypocrites are lined up in the corner pocket and Ive got a brand new shiny ball.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:44 AM
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4. "they wouldn't let me do that story"
right there and right then it became official the fourth estate is dead.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:45 AM
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5. Go for it Dan!
Hopefully some of the other scandals will help bring this back into the news and help in getting to what really happened.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:45 AM
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6. Do it, Dan. This story isn't complete yet.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:45 AM
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7. I thought he no longer worked for CBS?
So why doesn't he just investigate on his own? Write a book. There's a lot of money in nonfiction political books today.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:48 AM
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8. He is still "attached" to 60-Minutes..
He should retire and get some funding to investigate on his own...then write a book..

I'm sure he doesn't need the money from his "job"..
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:04 PM
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15. I think Dan has the nuts on junior and is ready to bet the farm
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 12:06 PM by 0007
I hope Mr. Rather goes after junior hot and heavy about the cronyism, cover up, and junior's rap sheet on his cocaine arrest during his National Guard days.

But I imagine the contract he has with CBS prevents his pursuit. Mr. Rather is as wounded as Captain Ahab hunting Moby Dick. This is not over by a long shot, Mr. Rather will hunt relentlessly even if the cost is his life, as with Captain Ahab.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:09 PM
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16. I know TV networks that would be happy to help him get the word out.
They wouldn't pay much, but at this point I suspect Rather is more concerned with his legacy than his paycheck. He should contact WorldLink or FSTV, or the producers of Democracy Now! This could be a mutually beneficial relationship and help people find their way to the alternative media.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:25 PM
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22. Yeah and then start a REAL network.....call it the JOURNALISM network
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goose4739 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:49 AM
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11. He still works for CBS
as a correspondent. The sweetest revenge would be for him to finish the story on his own network.

When he won a Lifetime Achievement Award at the News & Documentary Emmys a couple of weeks ago, he was VERY outspoken about how the media is being held hostage by the government.

I say support him! He's the only one left!
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:37 PM
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71. it could be the case
that he has a non-compete clause in his contract, and that he is prohibited from engaging in reporting either on his own or for someone other than CBS for a period of time after retirement.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:48 AM
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9. Dan knows the truth and Mary Mapes does, too.
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kma3346 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:11 PM
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18. Email CBS News now!!
And tell them you want it covered! Maybe if enough of us contact them, they'll do it--especially with the Bush administration going downhill fast:

evening@cbsnews.com

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:17 PM
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19. There's no doubt the story is true
Even if the memos are fake (and that's not proved), every bit of evidence says the story is true. The main evidence against the memos -- the secretary -- insists the story itself is true.

Surely, Rather can find another venue to get the story out. He should leave CBS and write a book.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:28 PM
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23. DAMN IT!!! *F O R G E T* MEMOGATE!
HOW ABOUT GETTING 60 F*KING MINUTES TO AIR THE NIGER/YELLOWCAKE/FORGERY SEGMENT THAT THEY SO COWARDLY NIXED BEFORE THE ELECTION IN ORDER TO PLAY THE ROVIAN MEMOGATE PIECE?!?!

Yes I'm yelling.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/092504I.shtml



The Story that Didn't Run
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek

Wednesday 22 September 2004

Here's the piece that '60 Minutes' killed for its report on the Bush Guard documents.

In its rush to air its now discredited story about President George W. Bush's National Guard service, CBS bumped another sensitive piece slated for the same "60 Minutes" broadcast: a half-hour segment about how the U.S. government was snookered by forged documents purporting to show Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium from Niger.

The journalistic juggling at CBS provides an ironic counterpoint to the furor over apparently bogus documents involving Bush's National Guard service. One unexpected consequence of the network's decision was to wipe out a chance-at least for the moment-for greater public scrutiny of a more consequential forgery that played a role in building the Bush administration's case to invade Iraq.

A team of "60 Minutes" correspondents and consulting reporters spent more than six months investigating the Niger uranium documents fraud, CBS sources tell Newsweek. The group landed the first ever on-camera interview with Elisabetta Burba, the Italian journalist who first obtained the phony documents, as well as her elusive source, Rocco Martino, a mysterious Roman businessman with longstanding ties to European intelligence agencies.

Although the edited piece never ended up identifying Martino by name, the story, narrated by "60 Minutes" correspondent Ed Bradley, asked tough questions about how the White House came to embrace the fraudulent documents and why administration officials chose to include a 16-word reference to the questionable uranium purchase in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech.

But just hours before the piece was set to air on the evening of Sept. 8, the reporters and producers on the CBS team were stunned to learn the story was being scrapped to make room for a seemingly sensational story about new documents showing that Bush ignored a direct order to take a flight physical while serving in the National Guard more than 30 years ago.
:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:36 PM
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28. or....shirk...they could do both??
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:31 PM
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24. I say expose it all!
I'd be thrilled if someone exposed the AWOL cover-up. Being AWOL, Dim Son was ineligible to be president. I don't care how they make him go way, just make him go away.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:32 PM
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25. I`ve never understood all the hoopla over
Dan Rather and the questionable typewriter. CBS was the LAST to report this story, not the first. I heard about it in 1999 and have been following it ever since. The awolbush site has a lot of info.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:39 PM
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29. That's Rove's method. Create a red herring & turn that into the story
so everyone goes haring ff after it & forgets the REAL story. Yes, the AWOL story had been out there for years, but it didn't register on public awareness until CBS ran with it.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:34 PM
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26. The fact remains that Bush's military record has more gaps in it
than Jessica Simpson's wardrobe.

Do the story from that angle, Dan, and you'll have him. There may be people who are now willing to come forth and try to explain his "missing year."

:headbang:
rocknation
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:40 PM
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30. Why does he need permission from CBS?
With his name he could easily do this independently and it would be covered.

He could put together a team of independents and publish on the web. It would be covered.

I wonder if he has new info. Or is this some quixotic quest on his part?
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:53 PM
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32. Go For It Dan!
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 12:53 PM by bushwentawol
The truth needs to come out!
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TOOLZ Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:54 PM
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34. INVESTIGATE ANYWAY
It's your legacy, and we pay the price now.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 12:59 PM
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38. Well, that's interesting--that Rather admits being censored! But I
wish he would address a more important issue with regard to the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, and that is their FALSIFICATION of their own exit poll data on election night--ALTERING their exit polls (Kerry won) to "fit" the "official result" derived by Diebold's and ES&S's SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code (Bush won)--thus depriving the American people of major evidence of election fraud, and squelching protests and calls for investigation.

That hurt our democracy a lot more than suppression of the story of Bush's cowardice. The American public had sussed him out already, had seen through all the crap and the propaganda, and threw this bum and his Cartel out of office. And, to this day, they don't know that they did.

I'm sure the TNG thing was mortifying to Rather, and he wants to set the record straight. And he's right--it should be set straight. But, hey, Dan, we've got some far worse problems here! People dying and all, at the hands of these criminals. Please look into how all the TV networks, acting in concert, DOCTORED the exit polls!

The greatest journalistic crime ever committed, in my opinion.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 01:41 PM
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45. What's the frequency, Kenneth?
:evilgrin:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 08:09 PM
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99. You know, that story was sometimes used against Rather
Only to have it turn out to be accurate (it's been suggested that the man may have been saying "Goniff", not "Kenneth", but he did have a belief that the media was beaming signals into his head).

Not getting on you, just adding the rest of the story for those who might have missed it (like I did the first time)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rather#.22Kenneth.2C_w...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:01 PM
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49. why not write a book, or sell the story freelance to ABC, NBC, NPR?
i don't like the whiney tone of this, but i imagine there's a reason to like he's setting the stage for something...puting them on notice...whatever.

there seems to be such creepy slowness to media "justice" at the network level. it seems like he had his brains sucked out of him sometime during the Reagan administration. '


i need to go back and watch "Network" the movie, I guess.

off to netflix.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:02 PM
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50. or better, START A BLOG!
:)
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:16 PM
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59. He may get the go-ahead sooner than we think
Bush's reputation is now somewhere between numbers runner and nickel-bag streetwalker, and there's enough whoop-ass in the pipe to kick him to the curb a couple of times.

Rather is NOT a man without resources. He will have his revenge, and it will be devastating, shared, and sweet. I imagine a dozen or more of his loyalists from all parts of the journalistic world are quietly compiling intelligence, assembling evidence, and making ready to treat the Boy King and his lackeys like so many little green footballs.

Bush is going DOWN. My only concern is for how much of the republic he will take down with him.

--p!
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Hapameli Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:32 PM
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68. You got it! Finally somebody connected all the dots!
There's lots of interesting goings on right now...
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:59 PM
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73. The only disconnection has been in the public media
The "debunking" was fake from the get-go. Anyone who worked in an office in the 1970s knew that the big bosses all had typewriters that could do proportional fonts -- it was a major status symbol, and no self-respecting CEO would be without one.

Since the story of the fonts was the "magic bullet" in this story, it was clear it was a sham. The whole case hung on the proportional fonts, and the disappearance of the mole was the capstone. It led the MSM to say that Rather was concocting evidence, but it takes no great insight to recognize that he had been set up by a bunch of amateurs, and they got away with it because nobody wanted to scrutinize the Boy-King.

This is when the news media started defecting. They saw it all too clearly, and knew it was a warning that they, too, had better stay in line. When a bunch of wankers like Little Green Footballs dot com could be used to decapitate a major journalist, the flag decal started to peel off and the swastika underneath became visible.

A lot of people are deluding themselves. They still can't believe that a gang of thugs with such little discretion could seize power and occupy the White House.

The gloves will soon come off, but it's a fight Bush & Co. can't possibly win. They lost their chance, and blundered past their window of opportunity. But they will go down hard, throwing wild punches and landing them where they can.

When the extent of the damage is finally understood, Bush will get the blame for every major crisis for the next fifty years, whether he deserves it or not. The Republican party had better have a new ideology ready by then, or they will cease to exist in a few years. The denouement of the Memogate affair won't be the first, or only, piece of the undoing of Team Bush, but it will accelerate the fall.

But nobody wants to be under the great edifice of neo-Conservative power when it falls. It will take literally hundreds of thousands of careers down with it. Even liberal Democrats ought to stay away from it. The ruins will remain radioactive for decades; hopefully, there will be no violence accompanying the fall, but the bastards don't give up easily.

--p!
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:14 PM
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62. It appears the story is TRUE
Someone may have given Dan a fake document - but that doesn't change the truth of the story.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:17 PM
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63. Maybe someday Rather
will be vindicated? I sure as heck hope so! :bounce:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:19 PM
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64. In just one word Dan: Go For It, Do It, Yes Dan!!!
We knew then you had the miserable little prick by the balls. Now is the time! The American people want to know, they need to know. If CBS won't allow it to go forward, go it alone. I guarantee you Mr. and Ms. Middle America are behind you.

CBS=Conservative Broadcast System
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:23 PM
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65. Dan Rather went to Vietnam....
unlike our draft-dodging pretzel-dent! In his own way, he's a Vietnam veteran. I'm certain he feels outrage that Bush*, and others of his ilk have profited by "military service" without having taken significant risk! I hope he succeeds in re-opening this story!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:31 PM
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67. Will This Re-Air???
Pleeeeease!!!
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:34 PM
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69. The story is true even if the document was not. I hope he does go
after the story. It was a cheap shot and he now has nothing to lose. How much money does anyone need? He has the financial freedom to fight for the truth, so I say GO, Gunga Dan! :)
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MadJohnShaft Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:47 PM
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79. Let's start an email campaign to get him to do it (??)
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:34 PM
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70. Reporters should shun MSM and go "Documentary".
Go Dan, you deserve to find answers to this.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:44 PM
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72. For the life of me
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 03:45 PM by OnionPatch
I can't understand why he would remain under their "grip." He has a great story and the name recognition to get it published all over the world. Come on, Dan. Chuck CBS and be a REAL reporter or go to your grave knowing you're a journalist that didn't have the guts to stand up for the truth.
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tompayne1 Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:07 PM
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75. Yeah
They could never prove the memos were fake for goodness sakes.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:30 PM
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78. Welcome to DU tompayne1
:toast:
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evworldeditor Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:16 PM
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80. Rather Established Residence in Austin
I was told earlier this summer while on a business trip to Austin to check out a couple new electric scooter that Rather has bought a loft condo in downtown Austin, where I believe he has a daughter. It would also be a good location to do some quiet snooping into this story.

Can anyone else confirm the condo purchase?

Bill Moore
EV WORLD
http://www.evworld.com
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TexasBushwhacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:42 AM
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120. Looks like it
There's record of it in the Travis County Appraisal District records. It looks like he and his wife own a home in Lakeway as well. Welcome Dan!!!
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:18 PM
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81. Joe Allbaugh, former head of FEMA, was part of the story
Allbaugh was Bush's chief of staff back in Texas -- and he's the guy Burkett was responsible for putting Bush's TANG files in the dumpster.

In light of the new scrutiny on Allbaugh for landing hefty post-Katrina contracts for Halliburton and the Shaw Group, it wouldn't hurt to revisit that as well.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:19 PM
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82. If and when we get control of this country back, we are going to do
a lot of digging in the back yard for the bones. There are so many questionable situations that demand answers. I suspect they do a lot of shredding and burning of documents all the time. Hopefully like nixon they will forget the most important.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:39 PM
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83. I hope he gets a chance to go for it and take the BUSHCO mob down!!!
their foundations are weakening, their base is getting exposed just by their own actions now. Go, DAN!!!!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:35 PM
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89. I hope Dan Rather does this. Please Mr. Rather...open it up, let's
see what there is to see, shall we.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:38 PM
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90. Rather should run for President
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:46 PM
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92. GO FOR IT DAN....YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE NOW!
Bring the fucking house down. :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:54 PM
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95. His signoff was about courage.
Balls to the wall Dan!
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:06 PM
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103. Come On, Dan - Stand-Up & Be Counted. You're Country Needs U!
You'd think "Dan Rather" could get on ANY channel he deemed fit. Hope Dan stops speaking, and starts shouting, like now.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 10:28 PM
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104. Way to go DAN!!!!.....Bring it on!!!
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:42 AM
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109. What a pile crap. NY Post is as credible as FAUX
:boring:
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:07 AM
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110. Rather should do the story with the British media
maybe with a big UK newspaper or TV station (Channel 4 and BBC2 like these kind of stories). It might then eventually get picked up by the US media (without them having to take the risk).
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:23 AM
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112. kick
and recommended GO DAN!
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 08:02 AM
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119. Anybody got a login? The rest of the story? It's 5am here and I'm not
fully functional yet to get yet another login. Thnx.
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