US soldier 'enjoyed Abu-Ghraib abuse'

[Judi Lynn]

US soldier 'enjoyed Abu-Ghraib abuse' Sep 23 2005

icWales

Two former guards convicted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal testified at US Army Pfc. Lynndie England’s military trial that she was impressionable and under the sway of her soldier boyfriend, Private Charles Graner, labelled the ringleader of detainee abuse by the prosecution.

Robert Jones, now a policeman in Baltimore, Maryland, and Private Ivan Frederick said the dominant presence of Graner trumped military rank to make him the de facto leader of the prison section where the abuse occurred.

Graner surrounded himself with people with weaker personalities, including England, Jones said. Graner also testified at the court martial in Fort Hood, Texas, saying England trusted him.

But another convicted former guard, Private Jeremy Sivits, said England appeared to enjoy one incident in 2003 in which prisoners were stripped, forced to masturbate and stacked in a pyramid. She was laughing, he said.
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[Why Syzygy]

1. sick and inhumane knows no bounds

she had his baby did she not?

[undergroundpanther]

2. Somebody get that baby

OUT OF THAT HOUSE..These fucks are sociopaths..they torturers all should be DEAD if there was ANY justice in this universe.

[MADem]

11. I'm guessing her mama is raising that baby nt

[Kolesar]

3. "Compassionate Conservatism"

There is a perverted culture within the military, fed by RW bullshit encouraged by the leadership--all the way up to Rumsfeld and Bush. Recall that RW terrorist Tim Mcveigh was an Army white supremacist.

[Scurrilous]

4. "convicted in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal ..."

..."now a policeman in Baltimore, Maryland."

Doesn't it seem a little odd that someone convicted in a prisoner abuse scandal can become a police officer?

[Briar]

7. as odd as the fact that

some of the Abu Ghraib guards were prison guards in the US.

If there is a belief that the "bad guys" deserve whatever they get, then the "good guys" get a lot of leeway.

[SharonAnn]

15. Acually, that's not odd. Prison guards have some sickos among them.

[NeoConsSuck]

13. That is a police brutality suit..

waiting to happen.

[cassiepriam]

5. where was the supervision? Who is in charge?

[classysassy]

9. They

were all promoted,after spending twenty three years in the military I know how the system works.They are not the best of the best,more like the our prez and vice prez.

[Callalily]

6. I'm appalled

that someone like England was even accepted into the military. Apparently recruiters do not have any scrupples either, just make those quotas no matter what!

[MADem]

12. What was she, an E-2 or 3???

She clearly had no leadership, what with fucking her superior and all...it sounds to me like discipline had broken down early on, and those guys were cheerfully taking orders from secretive people with easy deniability, perhaps thinking that some of that secret-agent-man patina would wear off on them...

That shit should not have happened, but you have to wonder about where the breakdowns were in the military chain, and why they were allowed to happen...of course, the guy in charge of the whole schmear got another star...so what does that tell ya?

[Solly Mack]

8. part of the Abu Ghraib "7" came here to Mannheim awaiting their article 32

hearing (it's like a grand jury)

The info that came out then tells me England was willing....more than willing. That Graner fed off weaker personalities does not change her guilt. It increases Graner's guilt - but it doesn't change England's





Another related story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64175-2005Jan10.html

[Gnostic]

10. Yet another reason....

....I don't "support our troops".

[JoFerret]

14. Abusive COMMAND structure

...these are the sociopathic pawns in a culture of criminality and abuse.

[Kailassa]

16. there will never be a shortage of sadists

I wonder how many of you here who could not ever do a thing like that found out at school that you were the exception to the rule, that most of the kids could happily bully and torment other kids if that secured thir place in a group.

The fact is, humans are social animals, we need a group to belong to. You can see many examples in history as well as in the playground, of a group being cemented together by members all joining in with tormenting another person or group. The government works further on this social conditioning, by continually telling people that money spent on health, education. public transport and pensions is personally hurting them by raising taxes. Then it pulls its supporters close by encouraging them to band together in denigrating other sections of the commuity.

That Lynndie did what she did is no surprise. All parents know that their children will misbehave if they have no guidance and the parents set a bad example. In this case the government was in "locus parentis" and was not doing anything to instill decent standards.

I'm not excusing Lynndie for what she did. What I'm saying is that there will inevitably be the Lynndie-idiots and even the Graner-pigs in that situation. Anyone running a prison should remember the Stanford Prison Experiment* and know that people will behave badly unless authorities go to a lot of trouble to make sure they can't and give them adequate emotional support.

*http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/relaged/970108prisonexp.html