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2 block-long breach in Ponchartrain levee ..CNN 11:28 PDT

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2 block-long breach in Ponchartrain levee ..CNN 11:28 PDT
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:30 AM by SoCalDem
water has white caps on Canal street..

hospitals at Tulane and another are air evacuating patients.. water rising an inch every 5 minutes :(

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   Water has WHITE CAPS?  Horse with no Name   Aug-30-05 02:30 AM   #1 
   A hospital official was just on the phone alerting CNN  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 02:31 AM   #2 
   17th & Canal Street  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 02:33 AM   #3 
   Zoomed out map...Canal on the left....Superdome in the lower-right  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:27 AM   #102 
      Thanks  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 11:35 AM   #103 
         Sure...btw, it's not 17th *and* Canal...it's 17th St. Canal  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:41 AM   #105 
   Why the HELL did they not get these people out earlier?!  FVZA_Colonel   Aug-30-05 02:33 AM   #4 
   She said that NINETY people are on ventilators  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 02:35 AM   #6 
   They can move them--vents are conveniences--you can take a patient off  Horse with no Name   Aug-30-05 02:51 AM   #15 
   Yes and No - if they are a preemie  Kittycat   Aug-30-05 11:35 AM   #104 
   I didn't mean a few hours ago  FVZA_Colonel   Aug-30-05 02:59 AM   #17 
      It is still dangerous to transport unstable patients  Horse with no Name   Aug-30-05 03:16 AM   #19 
   Some considered too critical to move. "Safer" to keep them in a hospital..  Hissyspit   Aug-30-05 02:35 AM   #7 
   All critical care patients  justabob   Aug-30-05 02:36 AM   #8 
   Welcome to DU, FVZA_Colonel!!  VolcanoJen   Aug-30-05 02:40 AM   #11 
   The hospital patients are the reason why they waited until Sunday  Horse with no Name   Aug-30-05 02:55 AM   #16 
   Thanks Horse. Now I see your post after mine.  AllyCat   Aug-30-05 10:06 AM   #82 
   Wonder if it has anything to do with Nagin not calling a mandatory evac.  AllyCat   Aug-30-05 10:04 AM   #81 
   Uh, he *DID* order a mandatory evacuation:  Roland99   Aug-30-05 10:09 AM   #83 
      Yes, and moments after my post, I posted right above seeing I missed  AllyCat   Aug-30-05 10:24 AM   #85 
   Welcome to DU, FVZA_Colonel  u4ic   Aug-30-05 03:29 PM   #147 
   Low Numbers of Nat'l Guard Help, you think?  AuntiBush   Aug-30-05 10:33 PM   #167 
   The disaster is on-going.  Hissyspit   Aug-30-05 02:34 AM   #5 
   Our president is eating cake and raising campaign moolah  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 02:37 AM   #9 
      c'mon. dont be so harsh on bush  paagal kutta   Aug-30-05 02:41 AM   #12 
      My Republican cuz really believes that the gov't shouldn't be expected...  tedzbear   Aug-31-05 11:27 AM   #181 
      Doesn't make McCain look great either, but for Bush, it's a "My Pet Goat"  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-30-05 05:20 PM   #152 
         Deploying the reserves ...  chicagiana   Aug-30-05 09:26 PM   #158 
         I didn't think of deliberate destruction of the levee, but that's sure  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-30-05 09:46 PM   #162 
         Put his ass on that tricycle and let him put  goclark   Aug-31-05 12:24 AM   #175 
   Saturated levees can breech at any time.  Porcupine   Aug-30-05 02:38 AM   #10 
   I would think there are going to be more breeches.  Hissyspit   Aug-30-05 02:46 AM   #13 
   Depends on whether or not its a real levee  markus   Aug-30-05 09:34 AM   #68 
   yep i remember  shanti   Aug-30-05 12:27 PM   #130 
   and of course Bush slashed the funds for hurricane protection and disaster  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-30-05 05:22 PM   #153 
   i was in the corps of engineers and at grand teton when it collapsed  kodi   Aug-30-05 02:46 AM   #14 
   Aw, Crap! This could get worse than 9/11. Don't everybody go praying  Wizard777   Aug-30-05 03:01 AM   #18 
   i'm in Memphis, looking at the remains of my city on a motel TV.  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 03:37 AM   #20 
   cnn just said that the hospitals are not evacuating at this time--water  rodeodance   Aug-30-05 04:03 AM   #22 
   yes, but people are in attics, in pitch black night.  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 04:25 AM   #24 
      never has dawn seemed so far away  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 04:33 AM   #26 
      I'm just sick....  GumboYaYa   Aug-30-05 07:19 AM   #54 
   SR, where did your mother stay?  peacebuzzard   Aug-30-05 09:13 AM   #58 
   I am SOOOOOO glad you decided to leave  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 09:19 AM   #59 
   From what I am understanding, his mother is in the Quarter and his dogs,  peacebuzzard   Aug-30-05 09:25 AM   #65 
      Oh no.. I thought they all went to memphis..  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 09:32 AM   #67 
   Swamp Rat.  intheflow   Aug-30-05 09:25 AM   #64 
   I am so sorry for you and all of the others.  mom cat   Aug-30-05 10:39 AM   #89 
   Swamp Rat, I'm glad you're ok  yardwork   Aug-30-05 05:44 PM   #156 
   Very sorry to hear about your situation SwampRat, and also the many others  FourStarDemocrat   Aug-30-05 10:09 PM   #163 
   I'm so sorry Swamp Rat.....  halobeam   Aug-30-05 10:30 PM   #166 
   I guess this is the thing we were all afraid of  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 04:00 AM   #21 
   story from Bloomberg:  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 04:21 AM   #23 
   And those are just the ones WITH WORKING CELL PHONES. How many  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-30-05 05:28 PM   #154 
      I thought the cells were down ...  chicagiana   Aug-30-05 09:32 PM   #160 
   a more detailed story from CNN:  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 04:31 AM   #25 
   New Orleans Levee has been breached... two block long breach. (CNN)  speedoo   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #27 
   now that will be fun at this time, really  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #28 
   oh SHIT  kgfnally   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #29 
   oh holy shit..that's not good  nothingshocksmeanymore   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #30 
   this is really really big.  lvx35   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #31 
   New Orleans will NEVER recover 100% ...  chicagiana   Aug-30-05 09:37 PM   #161 
   Damn it... I thought your title was "No breach"  expatriot   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #32 
   Someone else posted after this one and abbreviated New orleans  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 09:20 AM   #61 
   The mayor said this several hours ago  jobycom   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #33 
   hard to tell  Kenroy   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #34 
   Same one. n/t  Garbo 2004   Aug-30-05 05:29 AM   #50 
   Mayor has full commitment from Feds  screembloodymurder   Aug-30-05 08:11 AM   #55 
   god!  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #35 
   I'm so sorry....  renate   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #39 
   I am also so sorry, will pray, since Bush won't do anything and  Trevelyan   Aug-31-05 01:57 PM   #182 
   Swamp Rat, so sorry!  colorado_ufo   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #40 
   She couldn't because of her SO, but they are in the Monteleone Hotel  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #42 
      Lo siento mucho Swamp...  arcos   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #44 
      gracias hermano  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #45 
         ....  arcos   Aug-30-05 05:04 AM   #46 
         SR, I said this B4--my casa is your casa.  peacebuzzard   Aug-30-05 09:45 AM   #73 
      here's one reason to take heart:  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 05:07 AM   #47 
      she's on the third floor last I spoke with her... 32 hours ago. n/t  Swamp Rat   Aug-30-05 05:12 AM   #48 
      Here's hoping for the best, SR.  Zhade   Aug-30-05 06:01 AM   #51 
      Yo tambien estoy pensando en ti  alarcojon   Aug-30-05 08:24 AM   #57 
      At least the Montleone is high enough to be safe for now.  GumboYaYa   Aug-30-05 11:24 AM   #99 
   We are here for you.  myrna minx   Aug-30-05 09:19 AM   #60 
   OMG,  peacebuzzard   Aug-30-05 09:24 AM   #62 
   Swamp Rat, I'm so, so sorry to hear that  LynzM   Aug-30-05 10:43 AM   #92 
   Swamp  Biased Liberal Media   Aug-31-05 02:25 AM   #177 
   CNN is talking about it now...  Andromeda   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #36 
   The breach in the levee is two blocks long...  Andromeda   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #37 
   my aunt and uncle are in either the hospital or the Dome...  NorthernSpy   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #38 
      My historian hubbie has a solution  juajen   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #41 
         It can never be said enough...  Qibing Zero   Aug-30-05 04:57 AM   #43 
         Welcome to DU Qibing Zero  donheld   Aug-30-05 02:02 PM   #143 
         Wouldn't work here. No ocean access for large ships and lake too shallow.  artemisia1   Aug-30-05 06:15 AM   #52 
         As I said in the other thread, this isn't a shipping canal...  DRoseDARs   Aug-30-05 06:57 AM   #53 
            No, but a big ass tow boat could put an empty barge in the mouth  markus   Aug-30-05 09:36 AM   #69 
   my mother called me last night  Scooter24   Aug-30-05 05:25 AM   #49 
   I just heard that they are moving patients to the Superdome  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 10:27 AM   #86 
   photo of levee breach - 17th St Canal near Lakeshore Park in Metarie  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 08:22 AM   #56 
   Oh god.  myrna minx   Aug-30-05 09:24 AM   #63 
   Here's a satellite view of the same area  QuettaKid   Aug-30-05 09:32 AM   #66 
      great link  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 09:41 AM   #72 
      Thanks  Junkdrawer   Aug-30-05 11:19 AM   #97 
      Here are two more maps to give an idea of the vicinity to downtown  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:45 AM   #111 
   How horrible! :(  atommom   Aug-30-05 09:38 AM   #70 
   Scarily, this isn't the worst news  northzax   Aug-30-05 09:39 AM   #71 
   New levee break. Water rising a foot an hour in NO  mom cat   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #74 
   New or same?  Teaser   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #75 
   I'm pretty sure it's the same one  maddezmomDU Moderator   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #76 
   Not a new one. This is the same one from yesterday. nt  jobycom   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #77 
   According to an unconfirmed comment...  GoBlue   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #78 
   Not Soledad...Chad Meyers..meteorologist: Did YOU follow the link?  mom cat   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #80 
   There are two breaches:  Minstrel Boy   Aug-30-05 09:48 AM   #79 
   Story seems to be downplayed  ramapo   Aug-30-05 10:19 AM   #84 
      The water will stop when it rises to sea level in the city  htuttle   Aug-30-05 10:30 AM   #87 
         not sea level  northzax   Aug-30-05 10:40 AM   #90 
            Hmm...not sure about that  htuttle   Aug-30-05 11:26 AM   #101 
               no, there is a levee between ponchartrain and the Gulf  northzax   Aug-30-05 11:50 AM   #114 
                  No, there is not  markus   Aug-30-05 12:01 PM   #121 
   WDSU reporting 80% of City underwater  brooklynite   Aug-30-05 10:33 AM   #88 
   Holy cow... I didnt think those levees would breech...  Endangered Specie   Aug-30-05 10:41 AM   #91 
   Water still rising...several breeches in the South Shore levee. WWLTV  mom cat   Aug-30-05 11:00 AM   #93 
   SHIT.. that sounds ominous..  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 11:00 AM   #94 
      Breaches feed upon themselves  ramapo   Aug-30-05 11:02 AM   #95 
      WWLTV is doing a great job..they are back streaming at:  mom cat   Aug-30-05 11:02 AM   #96 
         Direct link for WMP  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:25 AM   #100 
            Sounds out of control  ramapo   Aug-30-05 11:42 AM   #106 
               1 - 2' of water in Downtown N.O.; Canal St. is a canal; water lapping F.Q.  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:44 AM   #109 
   So is it assumed now that the water in the lake  kenny blankenship   Aug-30-05 11:21 AM   #98 
   If The Levee Breach Invert Has Eroded To Below The Level Of The Lake  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 11:44 AM   #110 
      Lack of Manpower seems to be a big problem for the rescue and recovery  kenny blankenship   Aug-30-05 12:02 PM   #122 
         Where are the National Guard???  Francine Frensky   Aug-30-05 01:05 PM   #136 
         the irony is deadly, ain't it? eom  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 01:14 PM   #137 
            cnn: reporter by phone from Biloxi  kenny blankenship   Aug-30-05 01:41 PM   #141 
         Yes, must not embarrass Our Fearless Leader. Who stole and has been  Nothing Without Hope   Aug-30-05 05:35 PM   #155 
   WWL reporting reporting water still rising, and pouring fast in 9th ward  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:42 AM   #107 
   Water level rising in NOLA...rising fast in the lower 9th ward...WWLTV  mom cat   Aug-30-05 11:42 AM   #108 
   They are hoping to drop sandbags in the breech on the 17th St Canal.  mom cat   Aug-30-05 11:46 AM   #112 
      Will that work?  Roland99   Aug-30-05 11:48 AM   #113 
         3,000 sandbags is the plan.  Minstrel Boy   Aug-30-05 11:50 AM   #116 
         They might actually enlarge it if they miss  SoCalDem   Aug-30-05 11:51 AM   #118 
            Very true.  Neshanic   Aug-30-05 11:55 AM   #119 
            If they don't plug it they may as well enlarge it  kenny blankenship   Aug-30-05 12:04 PM   #123 
         It's a last ditch attempt  Winston702   Aug-30-05 12:12 PM   #124 
   WWL Just Said They Are Going To Drop Sandbags From Helicopters  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 11:50 AM   #115 
   Helicopters to help seal breaches  bill   Aug-30-05 11:51 AM   #117 
   That's A Bit Less Than 1 CY Per Sandbag  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 11:56 AM   #120 
   I think these guys are smoking something  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 12:21 PM   #127 
      Good post  H5N1   Aug-30-05 12:36 PM   #133 
      We Need To Move In Some LCAC's. There Has To Be Some  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 12:44 PM   #134 
      A day is too late............  ClintonTyree   Aug-30-05 01:37 PM   #140 
         I Wish I Could Close It This Instant  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 01:51 PM   #142 
         Good points, all.  Karenina   Aug-30-05 03:56 PM   #149 
         human nature = rebuilding  kskold   Aug-30-05 05:51 PM   #157 
      But can barges navigate the canal  RPM_BU   Aug-30-05 12:53 PM   #135 
      I doubt it.  mccoyn   Aug-30-05 03:25 PM   #146 
      The Media May Have Got It Wrong. I Saw Something That Said 'Flying In'  loindelrio   Aug-30-05 01:19 PM   #138 
         OK, that makes more sense - eom  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 03:23 PM   #145 
   A bit reminiscent of Chernobyl  daleo   Aug-30-05 12:13 PM   #125 
   where are the sandbag teams? n/t  rfkrfk   Aug-30-05 12:17 PM   #126 
   they're in Iraq, along with all the sand...  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 12:27 PM   #129 
   Helicopters and Sandbags NEVER GOT THERE  KeepItReal   Aug-30-05 09:28 PM   #159 
   just heard they are going to drop sand bags from helicopters  maddezmomDU Moderator   Aug-30-05 12:27 PM   #128 
   I think helo approach is entirely impractical - see #127 above  Tin Man   Aug-30-05 12:29 PM   #131 
      thanks for the post  maddezmomDU Moderator   Aug-30-05 12:35 PM   #132 
   Great info on the flooding from LSU shown on WWLTV  mom cat   Aug-30-05 01:34 PM   #139 
   LSU Website not responding...  LeftHander   Aug-30-05 03:53 PM   #148 
   BIG picture of the 17th St. Canal breech:  Roland99   Aug-30-05 02:03 PM   #144 
   OMG, what a horrible mess  spooked911   Aug-30-05 04:21 PM   #150 
   Thanks for the pic. eom  Ilsa   Aug-30-05 04:29 PM   #151 
   Times-Picayune: Crews frantically work to fix breach  brooklynite   Aug-30-05 10:11 PM   #164 
   Another amateur suggestion  ThoughtCriminal   Aug-30-05 10:22 PM   #165 
   CNN: Notice the FIRST Thing On the List  AuntiBush   Aug-30-05 10:37 PM   #168 
   I posted this question on a Yahoo board and did not get an answer  ihelpu2see   Aug-30-05 10:45 PM   #169 
   I heard tonight that approximately 40% are in Iraq. n/t  Minstrel Boy   Aug-30-05 10:47 PM   #170 
      Thanks... nt  ihelpu2see   Aug-30-05 10:50 PM   #171 
   Is it too late for the snad bags to work?  sunnystarr   Aug-30-05 10:56 PM   #172 
   busy the papers w/ letter to the editrs: here's mine:$for war=no$for peope  chomskysright   Aug-30-05 11:53 PM   #173 
   submitted to Times-Picayne Forum board: u can too  chomskysright   Aug-31-05 12:04 AM   #174 
   chomskysright's right. as with fires in CA in 2003 Bush shorted state  confludemocrat   Aug-31-05 10:52 AM   #180 
   why are there no floodgates, on this canal?  rfkrfk   Aug-31-05 12:40 AM   #176 
   Mayor of NOLA said in a news conference that someone dropped the ball  mom cat   Aug-31-05 06:06 AM   #178 
      Gee.. do ya think???  SoCalDem   Aug-31-05 09:21 AM   #179 
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:30 AM
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1. Water has WHITE CAPS?
Holy shit. :scared:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:31 AM
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2. A hospital official was just on the phone alerting CNN
she said that the state police were "trying" to reach them and another hospital nearby
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:33 AM
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3. 17th & Canal Street
is the address closest to the breach
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:27 AM
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102.  Zoomed out map...Canal on the left....Superdome in the lower-right
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.976052,-90.105572&spn...


That big gray area in the upper left area (just east of the interstate) is a huge cemetery.




And, on this map, the area in the middle is the French Quarter (Bourbon St. and the areas around it)
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.957946,-90.066948&spn...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:35 AM
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103. Thanks
:)
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105. Sure...btw, it's not 17th *and* Canal...it's 17th St. Canal
;)

Canal is down by the French Quarter.
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FVZA_Colonel (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:33 AM
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4. Why the HELL did they not get these people out earlier?!
It's bad enough that a number of people couldn't get out of the city due to lack of transportation, but hospital patients were left behind?!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:35 AM
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6. She said that NINETY people are on ventilators
How can they even move them..? and the emergency power source for the hospital is going to be compromised soon because of the water pouring into the hospital.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:51 AM
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15. They can move them--vents are conveniences--you can take a patient off
The emergency power sources in the hospital generally run only basic needs. Patients on vents are bagged manually (by hand). It isn't hard to do but it is very tedious and requires tremendous manpower.
Hopefully they have some of the portable vents that were battery operated.
These patients are fragile. Some will lose their lives from being moved because they are not stable.
This is an ugly situation that will only get uglier.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
104. Yes and No - if they are a preemie
You face more complications with bagging a patient. Too much air gets into the stomach, and can cause trouble with the bowels (preforation, etc).
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FVZA_Colonel (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:59 AM
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17. I didn't mean a few hours ago
I had meant as Katrina was still approaching the city, when there would have been time to travel via roadway.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. It is still dangerous to transport unstable patients
Day or Night. Air or Ground.
The other nightmare is finding somewhere to take them.
I'm guessing Houston, Longview, Tyler or Shreveport.
Those would be the best places at this time.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Some considered too critical to move. "Safer" to keep them in a hospital..
and hope for the best.
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justabob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:36 AM
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8. All critical care patients
Tulane Hospital caller said almost all were very seriously ill people....Very difficult to transport in the best of times. I can understand them not doing it until they have to, but now it will be MUCH more difficult
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:40 AM
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11. Welcome to DU, FVZA_Colonel!!
:toast:
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #4
16. The hospital patients are the reason why they waited until Sunday
to call for a mandatory evac.
They had to consult with their attorneys to make sure they could be exempted.
In reality, hospitals are generally the strongest buildings in the city.
The staff is extensively trained for emergencies.
The problem is that moving critically unstable patients increases the chance of death dramatically.
That's why they tried to keep them where they were and hope for the best. It was in the best interests of the patients.
Now it looks like they will have to move them--you can expect many of these most critically ill patients not to make the transport.
It started out as a no-win situation and only got worse. :(
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:06 AM
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82. Thanks Horse. Now I see your post after mine.
You answered my question.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:04 AM
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81. Wonder if it has anything to do with Nagin not calling a mandatory evac.
Apparently, not calling a mandatory evac and making it "voluntary" was to save hospitals from having to evacuate. Did he make the evacuation "voluntary" the whole time preceding the storm or did he ever change his mind? Unbelieveable. Even if the Mayor didn't say anything, as a hospital administrator, wouldn't you say "Boy, I think we need to move people out"?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #81
83. Uh, he *DID* order a mandatory evacuation:
New Orleans mayor calls evacuation order for city; Katrina a Category 5 storm
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story....

August 28, 2005

Mayor Ray Nagin ordered an immediate mandatory evacuation Sunday for all of New Orleans, a city of 485,000 people, as Hurricane Katrina bore down with 260-kilometre-per-hour wind. Ten refuges of last resort were set up including the Superdome.

"There doesn't seem to be any relief in sight," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said, joining the mayor at a news conference.

The mayor called the order unprecedented, but said Katrina's storm surge would likely top the city's protective levees.


I was even watching the video of his press conference when he ordered it.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Yes, and moments after my post, I posted right above seeing I missed
it. It's okay. Deepest apologies for not being in the know. That's why I asked the question in my post.
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u4ic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 03:29 PM
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147. Welcome to DU, FVZA_Colonel
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AuntiBush (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:33 PM
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167. Low Numbers of Nat'l Guard Help, you think?
Think about it. And "W" won't be back till tomorrow. WH does not care.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 02:34 AM
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5. The disaster is on-going.
Despite what Bush is up to, despite what the Pentagon says about adequate National Guard units.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:37 AM
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9. Our president is eating cake and raising campaign moolah
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:37 AM by SoCalDem
with the rich folks at Coronado :puke:



Never fear though, in about a week, when it's "safer", he'll climb up on a pile of rubble and his shills in the audience will feed him some "inspiring" lines...and he'll be a Heeeee-ro again.. maybe his approval will inch all the way up to 38% :puke:
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Bhaisahab (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:41 AM
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12. c'mon. dont be so harsh on bush
he did urge americans to "pray" for those in the hurricane's path. what more do ya expect him to do?!!
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tedzbear (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-31-05 11:27 AM
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181. My Republican cuz really believes that the gov't shouldn't be expected...
...to handle this situation and the good people of NO will have to come together and help themselves.

I didn't even try to argue with him...
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:20 PM
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152. Doesn't make McCain look great either, but for Bush, it's a "My Pet Goat"
moment. Worse, because there he is in a posh setting, eating cake and jollying up the rich GOP donors. His priorities are crystal clear.

And the National Guard, OUR National Guard, who should be involved in disaster relief - who knows, they might even have been able to shore up those levees - are off being cannon fodder in Bush's immoral war of choice. All those thousands of Guards with family in LA, AL, MS - what frantic fear and frustration they must be feeling.

But Commander Cuckoobananas has cake to serve.
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chicagiana (993 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:26 PM
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158. Deploying the reserves ...

Bush hasn't learned much about how a city acts when the authorities leave has he??? The looting in New Orleans is out of control. They should have had Army units ready to deploy to keep order.

Now that the situation is out of control, they'll just have to wait until all the store shelves are empty. If people want to protect their houses, they'll have to return with flat bottom boats and semi-automatic weapons.

BTW, does anyone else think it's suspicious that the levees didn't break until AFTER the hurricane passed and it was clear the storm surge was not going to swamp the city. It would probably only take a couple of sticks of dynamite to get those things flowing. Seems like someone wanted Bush to have another pile of debris to climb on top of.

The hurricane had passed and the city was safe from catastrophe. Than overnight the levies broke.


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #158
162. I didn't think of deliberate destruction of the levee, but that's sure
possible. No one was there to see.

I HAVE been wondering why Bush looks so perky and happy - like he's very PLEASED about the hurricane. It seems like more than his usual sociopathic cluenessness. Is there somethiing about the oil infrastructure, the neighborhoods that were destroyed (surely not strongholds of GOP support), the probable availabllity of cheap land now that so much has been destroyed. Or perhaps just that the cost of oil has soared so high?

He's a sociopath who is incapable of empathy, yes, but doesn't he seem really, really tickled to you? Like he's gotten something he thought he might not be able to pull off?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Aug-31-05 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #152
175. Put his ass on that tricycle and let him put
the pedal to the metal all over NO's .
He is wasting his so called talent with Lance Armstrong.
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Porcupine (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:38 AM
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10. Saturated levees can breech at any time.
It happens around Sacremento CA on a regular basis. The levees are not maintained, they saturate and the water starts through a gopher tunnel or something. Next thing you know it's flooding a few square miles of whatever.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #10
13. I would think there are going to be more breeches.
Hope I'm wrong.
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markus (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:34 AM
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68. Depends on whether or not its a real levee
It's hard to saturate the clay core of a real levee, and the levees around Orleans Parish are real levees. That doesn't mean they can't fail (as demonstrated here), expecially if compromised.

These were also reinforced with sheetpilings capped with concrete, when the levees were taken to 18'.

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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 12:27 PM
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130. yep i remember
the one in marysville in 1986. i was going to college there at the time when the levee broke and flooded linda and olivehurst, but i lived on the other side of the levee. it took out an entire mall and much more, and since the school was nearby, there were no classes for a couple of weeks. scary stuff, floods, and so very destructive!
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:22 PM
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153. and of course Bush slashed the funds for hurricane protection and disaster
relief and stole OUR National Guard and its resources for his dirty war in Iraq.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)
Posted by barbaraann GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 12:23 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush
Posted by usregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans
Posted by Lori Price CLG GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: DU media Blast Bush's cuts to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
sregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 AM

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kodi (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 02:46 AM
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14. i was in the corps of engineers and at grand teton when it collapsed
an awful mess. but that was not near a metropolitan area of 1,000,000.

god help those folks. i still can not reach a dear friend from the suburbs of NO on his cell phone

i can hear bartenders all over america this week describing a new drink, ..the Big Easy....bourbon street and water
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 03:01 AM
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18. Aw, Crap! This could get worse than 9/11. Don't everybody go praying
all the sametime now. We need to get boots moving. Those people need Major help.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 03:37 AM
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20. i'm in Memphis, looking at the remains of my city on a motel TV.
:cry: water rising... people in attics! my dogs and all the animals in kennels! it's dark and searches are difficult if not impossible. what about the prisoners in parish prison? .. god! folks in hospitals on life support! :cry:
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:03 AM
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22. cnn just said that the hospitals are not evacuating at this time--water
is rising but not that fast. So, it is wait and see attitude at the moment.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:25 AM
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24. yes, but people are in attics, in pitch black night.
:cry:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:33 AM
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26. never has dawn seemed so far away
:cry:
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 07:19 AM
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54. I'm just sick....
I know so many older people who would not or could not get out. I have several friends and family members in NO right now that most likely will not be able to survive the aftermath. The heat may end up being as bad as the floods for some of the elderly.

I am really glad you got out SwampRat.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:13 AM
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58. SR, where did your mother stay?
I believe you posted she stayed behind.
Also, do you know of Pitohui? He is in there w/ his animals somewhere.
Abracos,
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:19 AM
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59. I am SOOOOOO glad you decided to leave
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 09:34 AM by SoCalDem
It sucks that what you left behind is devastated, but at least you , you are safe and relatively dry :hug:

I hope that your Mom & pets are ok too.. phone service is bad right now..You will probably hear from her soon.
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:25 AM
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65. From what I am understanding, his mother is in the Quarter and his dogs,
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 09:38 AM by peacebuzzard
are in that mess, too. This is very bad for the SR. OMG
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:32 AM
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67. Oh no.. I thought they all went to memphis..
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 09:35 AM by SoCalDem
I'll edit ..I misread it.. I thought they were kenneled where he was now. :(
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:25 AM
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64. Swamp Rat.
I'm so sorry. I didnt' know you are from that area. I'm hoping for the safety of your pets. I know I can't say anything to make it better, but know that I have always appreciated your humor here on DU, and my heart is with you today. :hug:
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:39 AM
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89. I am so sorry for you and all of the others.
:grouphug:
Stay away as long as you can.
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:44 PM
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156. Swamp Rat, I'm glad you're ok
I was worried about your safety.

I'm so sorry.
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FourStarDemocrat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:09 PM
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163. Very sorry to hear about your situation SwampRat, and also the many others
I wish you all the best. Please keep us posted.
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:30 PM
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166. I'm so sorry Swamp Rat.....
my heart goes out to you.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:00 AM
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21. I guess this is the thing we were all afraid of
Just this evening, it seemed as though it wouldn't get this bad.

And now the Pontchartrain levee has failed?

Somehow, I just can't believe it.

:cry:
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:21 AM
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23. story from Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aId...

(...)

The streets of New Orleans are flooding after breaches of a levee in the city, possibly due to sandbags piles collapsing, Trooper Doug Pierrelee, a spokesman for Louisiana state police, said in a telephone interview today. The city's French quarter is underwater, he said.

Water is rising 1 inch (25 centimeters (sic)) every 5 minutes and has risen 6 feet (1.82 meters) at the Tulane University Hospital, which is planning to evacuate, CNN reported earlier, citing Karen Troyer-Caraway, the hospital's vice-president.

The police are receiving calls by hundreds of people who are stranded in the attics of their houses, waiting to be rescued, Pierrelee said.

About 200 rescue boats were working to get them out, he said. Some of the callers or their families were injured and some were pregnant or had their children with them, he said.

(...)
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:28 PM
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154. And those are just the ones WITH WORKING CELL PHONES. How many
have no way to call for help?
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chicagiana (993 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:32 PM
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160. I thought the cells were down ...

No electricity = no cell service. Very curious.

I saw some pictures of them cutting people out of there attics and then plopping them onto the boat right nearby. The peaks of the roofs only 2-3 feet above the water line.

When all is said and done, they will probably find hundreds of people drowned to death in their attics. This is a great tragedy.

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:31 AM
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25. a more detailed story from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina/index.htm...


Levee breach reported along lakefront of New Orleans

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- As the death toll from Hurricane Katrina reaches at least 56, a levee holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain has reportedly sustained a breach two blocks long in the Lakefront area of New Orleans.

(...)

Karen Troyer Caraway, vice president of Tulane University Hospital, told CNN that Louisiana State Police had confirmed the New Orleans breach to her.

Water at the hospital, located in New Orleans' central business district, was rising at the rate of a foot an hour, she told CNN, and had already reached the top of the first floor.

"It's dumping all the lake water in Orleans Parish," she said. "It's essentially running down Canal Street. We have whitecaps on Canal Street."

"We now are completely surrounded by 6 feet of water, and are about to get on the phone with Federal Emergency Management Agency to start talking about evacuation plans," Caraway said. "The water is rising so fast, I can't even begin to describe how fast it is rising."

She did not know whether any pumps had been turned on to pump the water, but said, "they're not going to be able to compete with Lake Pontchartrain."


The story also confirms the reports of hospital evacuations.
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speedoo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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27. New Orleans Levee has been breached... two block long breach. (CNN)
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 03:15 AM by speedoo
Lake Pontchartrain is now flowing into New Orleans.

This from a VP at Tulane Hospital, who got the report from State Police. Looks like there will have to be an air evacuation of the hospital... 1,000 patients.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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28. now that will be fun at this time, really
NOT
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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29. oh SHIT
Not good. Very very bad.
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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30. oh holy shit..that's not good
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lvx35 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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31. this is really really big.
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 02:43 AM by lvx35
If you haven't seen it, you might want to check out this video here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This is big stuff. A lot of people are dead. Tragedy and huge problems everywhere. On the long term note, people were speculating a few years ago that NO is sinking, and that a single hurricane, combined with the effect of global warming, could put the city under for good.
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chicagiana (993 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:37 PM
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161. New Orleans will NEVER recover 100% ...

The fatal flaw of this city has been laid bare. Many who left will stay gone. And the flood insurance will keep many more from rebuilding.

Time for the Corp of Engineers to think about jacking up the city. And I certainly hope there is a commission that looks into why the steel core concrete capped levees failed AFTER the hurricane was done and over with.
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expatriot (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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32. Damn it... I thought your title was "No breach"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:20 AM
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61. Someone else posted after this one and abbreviated New orleans
an unfortunate abbreviation in this case :(
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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33. The mayor said this several hours ago
Is this a new break, or the same one at 17th and Canal? I got the idea it was the same breach from this morning.
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Kenroy (768 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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34. hard to tell
the woman from Tulane said there was NO standing water there from the storm, but the first floor was now flooded, and the water was rising quickly. So clearly something has changed.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:29 AM
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50. Same one. n/t
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 08:11 AM
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55. Mayor has full commitment from Feds
From the President on up.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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35. god!
my mom is in the Quarter! ... people in attics... kennels, my poor dogs! :cry:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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39. I'm so sorry....
:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:
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Trevelyan (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-31-05 01:57 PM
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182. I am also so sorry, will pray, since Bush won't do anything and
sprituality and prayer can be very powerful. Think positive about your families and all the families. :grouphug:
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colorado_ufo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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40. Swamp Rat, so sorry!
I will say a prayer for you, and for us all, and for the animals. My husband and I were born and raised in N.O., and our families have been there for generations. We are sort of the "black sheep" for moving to Colorado!

Now the whole family is evacuated to different places - just heard from them all this evening, except my sister, who rode the storm out at home in Poplarville, MS. She called me from the eye of the hurricane with major damage to her house, and we have not been able to contact her since. She couldn't see her horses, but said the dogs were safe for now. Sis said she had never seen anything like it.

Your Mom didn't evacuate?

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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42. She couldn't because of her SO, but they are in the Monteleone Hotel
I pray she is OK, and your sister too... and all the animals in Audubon Zoo... :cry:
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arcos (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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44. Lo siento mucho Swamp...
Al menos estás bien, pero sin duda es una situación muy difícil. Lo siento... :hug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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45. gracias hermano
no sé que pasó de mi amigo de San José. No podia hacer contacto con el antes de sair de la ciudad... ¡huey puta! e agua está chegando na cidade e tem gente no sótão que vão morrer! ay! ¡mis perros! :cry:
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arcos (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:04 AM
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46. ....
:cry: :hug:
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:45 AM
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73. SR, I said this B4--my casa is your casa.
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 09:46 AM by peacebuzzard
Tou aqui em Knoxville, seja bem vindo...v. e seu pai. Em vez de gastar no hotel de Memphis, A distancia e' mais ou menos 7 horas de carro. A casa e' pobre, talvez tem que dormir no chao, mais a gente da' um jeito... tem feijao e arroz de microonda. Com toda sinceridade, seja bemvindo.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:07 AM
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47. here's one reason to take heart:
The Monteleone is 16 floors high, so your mom probably has a really good chance of staying safe and out of the flood waters.

Even so, I know it's so hard to be left waiting and worrying, and unable to change anything.


:grouphug:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:12 AM
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48. she's on the third floor last I spoke with her... 32 hours ago. n/t
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 06:01 AM
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51. Here's hoping for the best, SR.
:hug:

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alarcojon (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 08:24 AM
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57. Yo tambien estoy pensando en ti
y en tu familia.

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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:24 AM
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99. At least the Montleone is high enough to be safe for now.
Good luck SwampRat. We are trying to figure out how to get down there to bring family members up to St. Louis. Have you seen anything on evacuating the people still in the city?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:19 AM
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60. We are here for you.
:cry: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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peacebuzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:24 AM
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62. OMG,
..... OMG.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:43 AM
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92. Swamp Rat, I'm so, so sorry to hear that
Good wishes to your mom, you, and your animals. I'll be thinking of you guys and keeping you in my thoughts, along with all the others still there :( :hug:
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Biased Liberal Media (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Aug-31-05 02:25 AM
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177. Swamp
My thoughts are with your family! I am so sorry.

:cry: :hug:
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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36. CNN is talking about it now...
Spokeswoman says the hospital is on emergency backup power but will lose it when water reaches second floor. First floor is already under water.


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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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37. The breach in the levee is two blocks long...
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 03:39 AM by Andromeda
So far, but water is rising fast at 17th Street Canal. Dumping lake water into NO Parish--white caps on water because it's moving so fast. Quarter is battered---20 ft. floodwaters.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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38. my aunt and uncle are in either the hospital or the Dome...
We haven't heard from them.

I'm hoping as hard as I can that everyones loved ones will make it through this okay.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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41. My historian hubbie has a solution
Says they have to do what the Dutch did in WWII when Nazis breached their dike. Put two big ships in the breach; should be some from the port. This should give them time to heal the breach. Somebody needs to tell them. This is the time when everyone should appreciate the value of history.
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Qibing Zero (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 04:57 AM
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43. It can never be said enough...
..how much just a little study of the past can aid us today. Every day I research more, I see direct comparisions to situations today that should just flat out not be happening. Sometimes it seems oh so bleak.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 02:02 PM
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143. Welcome to DU Qibing Zero
:hi:
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artemisia1 (343 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 06:15 AM
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52. Wouldn't work here. No ocean access for large ships and lake too shallow.
Also, the area the Nazi's used was more accessible (no storm) and they had large ships they could bring to bear quickly.
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 06:57 AM
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53. As I said in the other thread, this isn't a shipping canal...
...it's a drainage ditch. Such ships won't fit except in the opening of the "canal" on the lake.
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markus (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:36 AM
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69. No, but a big ass tow boat could put an empty barge in the mouth
of the canal, and sink it.

The only problem there is, you lose the 17th St. Canal pumping station, which uses this canal to drain central parts of the city.

But if the lake is backflooding the city, they need to do this or something now.

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Scooter24 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:25 AM
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49. my mother called me last night
she is a pediatric surgeon. She, along with a few of her nurses, are thinking about heading down to the NO area later tomorrow to offer free assistance to anyone who needs it.

Things aren't looking good for the area :(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:27 AM
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86. I just heard that they are moving patients to the Superdome
.. I hope they can repair the roof before more rain comes
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Tin Man (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 08:22 AM
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56. photo of levee breach - 17th St Canal near Lakeshore Park in Metarie
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:24 AM
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63. Oh god.
:cry:
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QuettaKid (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:32 AM
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66. Here's a satellite view of the same area
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Tin Man (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:41 AM
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72. great link
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 10:05 AM by Tin Man
zoom in/out with mouse clicks for best perspective
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:19 AM
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97. Thanks
:thumbsup:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:45 AM
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111. Here are two more maps to give an idea of the vicinity to downtown
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.976052,-90.105572&spn...

That big gray area in the upper left area (just east of the interstate) is a huge cemetery.




And, on this map, the area in the middle is the French Quarter (Bourbon St. and the areas around it)
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.957946,-90.066948&spn...
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atommom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:38 AM
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70. How horrible! :(
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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:39 AM
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71. Scarily, this isn't the worst news
thank goodness, it looks like the sea did not breach into Ponchartrain, which, combined with this levee break, would have eliminated New Orleans, so thanks for little favours. THe breach of a street-side levee can be repaired (how are the pumps this morning, anyone know?) but the ocean cannot be stopped.

what a mess. Just when we start to get cocky, the planet (no anthropomorphism intended) shrugs and we are reminded of how small and feeble we really are.
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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74. New levee break. Water rising a foot an hour in NO
http://www.cnn.com /

Click on levee break
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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75. New or same?
I only see reference to the 17th and Canal Street break...
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maddezmom DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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76. I'm pretty sure it's the same one
but who knows
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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77. Not a new one. This is the same one from yesterday. nt
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GoBlue (930 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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78. According to an unconfirmed comment...
by Soledad O'brien. Did you even listen before posting this 'Non headline'.?
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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80. Not Soledad...Chad Meyers..meteorologist: Did YOU follow the link?
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 09:48 AM
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79. There are two breaches:
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:19 AM
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84. Story seems to be downplayed
These breaches may get NO close to the worst-case scenario. How in hell do they fix a breach of that size? Not quickly, that's for sure.

Water is so powerful, it is very difficult to stop, so this flooding will continue until some kind of equalibrium is reached.

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htuttle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:30 AM
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87. The water will stop when it rises to sea level in the city
...Which was pretty much the worst case scenario -- it's just happening a bit slower than it would have had Katrina hit N.O. square on.

Worse yet, much of the water the storm dropped upriver from New Orleans is going to flow right back down to the city.

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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:40 AM
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90. not sea level
the level of Ponchartrain, which is a little below sea level, I think.
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:26 AM
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101. Hmm...not sure about that
But I think Lake Pontchartrain connects to the Gulf of Mexico, so physics tells me they'd have to be the same altitude (without a set of locks between them, etc...).

:shrug:

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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:50 AM
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114. no, there is a levee between ponchartrain and the Gulf
the big fear was that the natural break between the two would go and let in the storm surge. the egress is controlled by canals and locks...I know the lake is about 6 feet lower, normally, than the river at the same point.
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markus (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 12:01 PM
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121. No, there is not
The Lake is open to the Gulf of Mexico through the Rigolets. This is gulf water that flooding the Lake from combined storm surge and wind-driven seiche. And the lake fills faster than it drains, so it is probably somewhat above sea level at this time. And the city behind the levees is below.

At first I thought this might be contained by the L&N Railroad embankment tha bisects midcity, and by the other canal levees.

What I am guessing is happening is rather like that bad movie about the volcano in L.A. The floodwater is probaby just innundating the storm seweage syste and popping up all over town.

There's no practical way to stop that.

They either stop this breech, or the city will flood to the sea level line.

It sounds like there is more water still coming in via the MGRO to the Ninth WArd.

If there's a second breech somewhere in the Lake Pontchartrain levee system this is very bad.
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88. WDSU reporting 80% of City underwater
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 10:41 AM
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91. Holy cow... I didnt think those levees would breech...
boy was I wrong :(
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:00 AM
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93. Water still rising...several breeches in the South Shore levee. WWLTV
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:00 AM
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94. SHIT.. that sounds ominous..
and yet the news is still re-running the "personal" stories..
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:02 AM
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95. Breaches feed upon themselves
Once there is even a small opening, erosion quickly widens it until the pressure is alleviated.
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:02 AM
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96. WWLTV is doing a great job..they are back streaming at:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:25 AM
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100. Direct link for WMP
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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:42 AM
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106. Sounds out of control
I've been watching the streaming video and the reports coming in are surreal. I don't know if CNN, etc. is covering to the same extent but the websites don't convey the enormity of the situation.

Mention was made as to how surprising this turn of events is. How that can be is beyond me. Here is a city below sea level protected by levees which are obviously not guaranteed in such extreme situations.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:44 AM
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109. 1 - 2' of water in Downtown N.O.; Canal St. is a canal; water lapping F.Q.
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:21 AM
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98. So is it assumed now that the water in the lake
and the water level in the city will "equalize"?
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:44 AM
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110. If The Levee Breach Invert Has Eroded To Below The Level Of The Lake
as is probably the case, yes.

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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 12:02 PM
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122. Lack of Manpower seems to be a big problem for the rescue and recovery
all police and fire dept. practically no mention of National Guard in any coverage. I've seen.
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Francine Frensky (870 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 01:05 PM
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136. Where are the National Guard???
Oh yeah, Iraq. Imagine the stories if you have a couple LA national guard sitting over in Iraq watching friends and family suffer...die...and having to be over there, not here helping. Horrible thought.

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Tin Man (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 01:14 PM
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137. the irony is deadly, ain't it? eom
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 01:41 PM
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141. cnn: reporter by phone from Biloxi
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 01:42 PM by kenny blankenship
crowds coming up to their car frantically asking when help is going to come. No water no food. They haven't seen relief/rescue units.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 05:35 PM
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155. Yes, must not embarrass Our Fearless Leader. Who stole and has been
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 05:37 PM by Nothing Without Hope
killing OUR National Guard in his immoral war of choice after slashing funds for disaster rellief and hurricane protection. I saw a post last night that Keith Olbermann on MSNBC mentioned the funding cuts by Bush - but I'll bet nobody else dared to, let alone mention that THIS is where the Guard should be.

Did you notice how those pictures of the levies show basically no one working to shore them up?: And they weren't there BEFORE the storm hit either.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: Bush has slashed Clinton's Disaster Mitigation Program. (unbelievable)
Posted by barbaraann GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 12:23 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: New Orleans district, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Cut by Bush
Posted by usregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:25 AM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: Bush Cut Hurricane, Flood Protection Funding to New Orleans
Posted by Lori Price CLG GD Forum Sun Aug-28-05 09:59 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Thread title: DU media Blast Bush's cuts to U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
sregimechange GD-P Mon Aug-29-05 12:54 AM

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:42 AM
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107. WWL reporting reporting water still rising, and pouring fast in 9th ward
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:42 AM
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108. Water level rising in NOLA...rising fast in the lower 9th ward...WWLTV
Edited on Tue Aug-30-05 11:47 AM by mom cat
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:46 AM
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112. They are hoping to drop sandbags in the breech on the 17th St Canal.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Aug-30-05 11:48 AM
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113. Will that work?
Maybe if they drop about 10,000 all at once from a helicopter right above it.
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Aug-30-05 11:50 AM
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116. 3,000 sandbags is the plan.
Sounds like a Hail Mary measure.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author