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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:14 PM
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Senator Clinton Wants Hearings On Morning-After Pill
Senator Clinton Wants Hearings On Morning-After Pill

August 27, 2005

Senator Hillary Clinton and Washington Senator Patty Murray are calling for hearings to weigh the issues holding up the release of an over-the-counter version of the so-called morning after pill.

The Food and Drug Administration has delayed the release of the new version of the pill by an additional 60 days to reach a decision on the matter.

The issue seems to be how the agency would enforce the rule that only women over 17 should have access to the drug.

The drug is said to reduce the risk of pregnancy if taken three days after having unprotected sex.


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http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=531...
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:20 PM
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1. Good for them
I don't know if anything will come of it, but it's a good start.
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:03 PM
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84. dont make me laugh(a huge ga faux)
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 06:03 PM by OKthatsIT
Hillary is a joke.

Hit that back arrow a couple of times....let all those HEADLINES fill your concsciousness...then look at the wee 'study' Hillary is doing.

Her going after this Pill will enable her to begin her CENTRIST approach to abortion rights...

You just watch. I know I'm right.
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I concur Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #1
99. My question: Is it safe...
...there is a lot of controversy concering the patch currently, is this really good medicine or just more dangerous "snake oil" (a la Vioxx and Celabrex)?
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:25 PM
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2. Who makes the "morning after pill?"
Have they made any contributions to Senator Clinton?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:33 PM
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4. Why don't you do the research? And do you ask the same question of Murray?
And if not, why not?
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:36 PM
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5. Doing it right now ...
You'll be the first to know ...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:39 PM
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6. Barr Pharmaceuticals,



FDA Delays Morning-After Pill Decision 60 days


The government on Friday put off its long-awaited final decision on whether to sell emergency contraception without a prescription, saying the pill was safe to sell over-the-counter to adults but grappling with how to keep it out of the hands of young teenagers.

The Food and Drug Administration postponed for 60 days a final decision on how to allow nonprescription sales of the morning-after pill called Plan B just to women 17 or older.

"Enforceability is the key question," said FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford.

The drug's maker, Barr Pharmaceuticals, criticized the decision, questioning how the agency could acknowledge that scientific evidence supported nonprescription sales and yet not allow those sales to begin.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050826/ap_on_he_me/morning ...
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:26 PM
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37. Pharmacists for Life
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,67432,00.html

Yet news reports as well as Pharmacists for Life say the drug can cause abortion by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. Members of Pharmacists for Life did not respond to phone calls and e-mails, but the group's website calls Plan B "a progestin-only abortifacient which prevents implantation as a major mechanism of action."

Ann Scheidler, executive director of the Pro-Life Action League, said she believes Plan B causes abortion.

"It has the capability of acting as an abortive, the same way as any contraceptive pill does," she said. "If it does not prevent ovulation, it makes the uterus inhospitable to fertilized eggs."


Stuff like this makes my head explode. As a woman it sends me off the deep end. Honest to god, with all do respect, if they have issues with the morning after pill (which is a large does of birth control pills) then they most certainly are trying to regulate my god damn ovaries!!.

It boggles my mind. I feel bad for christians on some level because there are some whack jobs out there on the front line messing everything up for you. I'm trying desperately not to blanket a religion with such negative thoughts. But every time I turn around one of these psycho cases has hijacked the christian religion and used it as a shield for their radical Puritan ideals.

I can't see any other way, but christian religion seems ready for another split. If I were a liberal christian, I'd be pushing for it. It's just going to get ugly.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:55 PM
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69. Pardon this man's potential ignorance, but isn't the MAP...
...just a multidose of birth control pills?

Couldn't the same effect be achieved by taking multiple BC pills at once? I think I read that somewhere?

(Not that I am against the MAP - for one, I'm male and really don't have a say, and I'm 1000% for a woman's right to control her own body, period. I just wanted to know if my understanding is correct.)

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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:50 AM
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46. Maybe they gave her a years ...
supply of morning-after pills? :shrug:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:32 PM
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3. this should be done, but WHY NOT IRAQ or ELECTION REFORM????
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:28 PM
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20. psst! Hillary, Have you heard of Cindy Sheehan? how bout Obama??
has he heard of Cindy Sheeham?? These "silent" Dem Senators at such a crucial time as more troops keep dying for a phoney war, but want our support come election day make me skeptical of them!

What's Hillarys reason for ducking Cindy Sheeham support??

http://downingstreetmemo.com /

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:49 PM
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34. She's sucking up to GOP...
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drummo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:06 AM
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41. Because she voted for this fu%@ing war.
She doesn't have any moral right to oppose Bush and the war now. It was started because of people like her. End of story.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
71. I don't agree with that sentiment.
If someone who voted for the IWR truly feels remorse, shouldn't they be allowed to repent for their actions?

Not that Clinton has done either, but the point is general, not specific to her.

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:40 PM
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7. Good move by our Senators
I wouldn't be surprised to see more of the female Senators sign on to this.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 02:54 PM
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8. How about hearings on the Downing Street memo, Hillary?
Or is that not part of the DLC agenda?

Back on point: As to the morning after pill, by all means let's have hearings as to why the US government wants prescriptions for them. Are we now saying that preventing an egg from being fertilized is a form of abortion?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:13 PM
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36. I hear ya! Another distraction by the DLC. ANYTHING but deal
with the crimes of 9-11 and Iraq.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #8
68. I agree- she has yet to even mention that document. n/t
n/t
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:07 PM
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9. How does she do it ,Grand Theft Auto and the Morning After..
Man she sure has a lot of energy, tackling all the major issues.
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Yeah, reproductive rights is really low on the scale of important issues
:sarcasm:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:29 AM
Response to Reply #17
48. Actually
Compared to a lot of other things going on right now, it isn't.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:28 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. I bet if you were pregnant and in need of one
You wouldn't be saying that.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:32 PM
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61. Nice to know that a women's rights are not important to some on this board
It is my number one issue because it is a challange to my personhood. Jsut as many women could die as a result of this as soldiers we lose in Iraq and for less reason. This is also a war and just as important.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #61
73. Extremely important: War 82%, abortion 52%
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 04:02 PM by glendavis77
Both important, the most important being ignored.
http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:09 PM
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81. Nothing is more important than the rights of the individual! Reproductive
Rights trump the War as they are about the rights guaranteed us as individuals under the constitution! If we don't have the status of personhood, war is irelevent as we have no way to influence its condition.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:03 PM
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93. What about the rights of the Iraqis?
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 09:05 PM by glendavis77
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Martin Luther King
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #93
95. So their rights render ours nonexistant?
How can we support their rights if we don't support our own first?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:29 AM
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58. Like I said, it IS important, but the other issues are just as
important. None should be ignored. I'm just amazed she can demand hearings for this but not the others.
Just like I was amazed they had time to investigate steroid use with athletes but not investigate the DSM.

They are making a hierarchial list of importance. I am just amazed at how some issues are treated, and some ignored. That does not mean the ones they are dealing with aren't worth dealing with.
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. Maybe school uniforms will be next on the agenda
Memo to Hillary and Murray -- get down to Crawford and embrace Cindy.
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:08 PM
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10. From what I understand from watching
the Senate on C-Span2, Sens. Clinton, Murray, and Milkulski put a hold on the confirmation of the new FDA chief because of this issue. When I heard that these Senators released their hold, and the nominee was confirmed, I figured they got what they wanted. Apparently, all they got was a promise, because I heard on CNN that Hillary called this hold-up a "breach of faith". When will the Dems ever learn not to trust what the Republicans promise? I don't get it!
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:08 PM
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11. Read this in the paper this morning
and wanted to vomit....Clinton and Murray were described as "stunned" because they approved this wingnut Crawford as FDA head contingent on his promise to issue a decision on Plan B by Sept. 1

well.....duh! He broke his word! Just as every member of this crooked administration has done every day!

We have a bunch of Charlie Browns in Congress, shocked and dismayed when Lucy continues to take the ball away. We need REAL representation and someone to call these liars and criminals out BEFORE they get into power.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/200...
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:24 PM
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12. Well said FredScuttle!
"...a bunch of Charlie Browns in Congress, shocked and dismayed when Lucy continues to take the ball away...".

So true, and what a great way to describe it.

:headbang:
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joanski0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Thanks for this info, Fred. n/t
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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:57 PM
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21. When will they ever learn
They are dealing with some very ruthless politicians. Sometimes it seems like our elected leaders are like the 3 stooges.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:05 PM
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27. Clinton and Murray voted AGAINST Crawford.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:08 PM
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35. Thanks for the info
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 10:09 PM by FredScuttle
I was not aware of their final vote on the nomination, but I still think my original point stands, which is that this wingnut should never have made it out of committee. I went by this paragraph in the SF Chronicle article I linked to:

Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., and Patty Murray, D-Wash., said they were incensed because they had allowed Crawford's nomination as commissioner to move forward this summer only after getting a promise that a final decision on the Plan B issue would be made by Sept. 1.

When will our representatives stop accepting the empty promises and duplicity of the GOP and start demanding accountability UP FRONT? Democrats seem willing to bend at any point to the GOP's wishes in the interest of "bipartisanship" and what has that got us? Policies which are in direct contrast to our core values and Administration officials who blindly carry out the destructive agenda of this criminal administration. It is beyond time for our representatives to drop the "nice guy" act and act like a goddamn opposition party!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:45 AM
Response to Reply #27
44. Thanks for that.
Misinformation spreads like wildfires at this forum.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #44
63. But I don't think that negates my original point
The nay votes by Clinton and Murray were locking the barn doors after the horse had already escaped.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
72. AAAIIIGGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly.

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:26 PM
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13. fine but why not girls 17 and under also?
the consequences of carrying a baby to term in the early teens can be a lot more severe to the body as well as the future of the mother

is there a medical reason why younger teens can't get the morning after pill or is it pandering to the yahoos?
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. People under 17 don't have sex
In case you didn't already know that

:sarcasm:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:13 PM
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29. And if by chance they do have sex, they have to be punished.
Carrying a baby to term when you are 13 builds character, according to the religious right.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:40 PM
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16. I don't understand why any DUers would minimize this issue
It's huge. It's the tip of an iceberg to take away women's right to choose - and not just abortion, but contraception. Plus, if you have never been 16, terrified that you are pregnant, and unable to confide in a parent, then just try to imagine it. It is the most helpless and scary situation in the world to that girl. She should be able to make a decision as to whether to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. She should not have to wait to become pregnant and then go through an abortion or the pregnancy. This is her life we are talking about. This is not a small issue.

This is the fundamentalists trying to rule women's bodies. Think Sharia law where women have no rights. There's a clear parallel.

Praises to Clinton and Murray. They are representing more than half of the citizenry of this country, not just their own constituents.

b_b
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. Go to a shooping center/mall, talk to the first 50 women you meet-
and ask them what are the most important issues and I bet it won't even come up among one of them. You can even narrow it down to only older teen and young twenties women and it still would not come up as an important issue. Hillary is just trying to smooth out things with NARAL, after these types had problems with remarks about abortion earlier after the election.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. I disagree
It would sure be near the top of my list.

If we don't have control of our own bodies, everything else is meaningless.
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. I agree with JerseygirlCT
And I also believe that many young girls these days are not educated about their rights and how tenuous they are.

So it's a matter of education - not a matter of taking a poll of - let's face it - relatively ignorant young women - and a matter of privacy and civil rights. You don't ask people whether they want to give up their rights (well, the Bush administration does). That is against the principles of this country.

We have to protect people's civil and privacy rights whether or not they think they need them to be protected. Isn't that obvious to all of us here?

b_b
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #33
47. I am not talking about YOU. Disagree all you want, the TRUTH is
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 05:32 AM by Prodemsouth
If you ask the first 50 unknown women you encounter what are the 5 most important national issues they would like to see their Senator or the President tackle, this would not even be among the top 5 issues they would give you.
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Crowdance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. So, you actually DID this? Talked to 50 women you didn't know
at the mall? I'm curious: What were their top 5 issues? Did they all agree about those top 5 issues? And, while we're at it, could you describe your methodology? I'd like to see if I can reproduce your results.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #53
87. So just because these women
happen to be ignorant of the RW push to outlaw contraception we shouldn't stick up for their rights?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. So where does intelligence and discretion come into it then?
If you asked random groups of people what they wanted the gov't to do, plenty of them would ask to win the lottery or something. There's plenty of ignorance as to the function of gov't and how it involves citizens.

That said, part of why we elect people is to uphold the consitution. And that includes protecting the rights of minorities, even when they're in the majority (as in women). I'm not really interested in gov't by polls, you know?
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #47
55. That's not valid
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 11:13 AM by MaineDem
Of course this isn't a major issue to many women. But to those to whom the situation applies it can be deadly serious.

Hell, 50 people in the mall wouldn't be able to give ONE important national issue.

It's important that someone look into the FDA's delay. Who else but the Senate and I'm thankful that Senators Clinton, Murray, and Mikulski are doing that.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #28
45. Wrong.
This is an extremely important issue affecting all women of childbearing age.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #28
50. You're right
Women are suffering horrendously today for lack of health care because reproductive rights has prevented anyone from discussing any other health care issue for women. Its becoming a tragedy of epic proportions - one that goes on under the radar, completely ignored.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #16
64. We didn't say ignore reproduction issues
We are saying to pay attention to the war as well.
Is the war not a major issue to you?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #16
75. It IS a huge issue, no question.
It's just that I wonder, when she focuses on rights like this (well, except that she voted to get the FDA guy out of committee), where she is on other rights, like workers' rights (CAFTA) or soldiers' and Iraqis' rights (to not die and be killed in an illegal war).

Where's her comments on the DSM, that proves we were lied into war, for example? Don't we have a right not to be lied to?

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:19 PM
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18. Why is the issue surrounding this regarding access to teenagers?
The very target audience of Plan B, young teenagers, would benefit MOST from having access to Plan B; by making it harder for those under 17 (which seems like an arbitrary age), the effect of having Plan B available over the counter may be lessoned.

Plan B, if made available, has the power to empower women and to reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions.

If anything, teenagers SHOULD have access to Plan B.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. Sorry it is not huge! Gas Prices are huge ask any congress
critter- who just talked to those he or she is supposed to be representing.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:26 PM
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19. Well, this is certainly more important than Steroids in Baseball...
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:57 PM
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22. This is what they think is important right now? This is why Hillary
would be a disaster. Gas Prices and the war are what people care about, she can't say anything about the later because she supported it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. This is important for women,sorry...
Amazing how some people can be blindsided by the issues they find important.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #25
31. I will reapeat this for you - go to the first 50 women you meet and
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 07:18 PM by Prodemsouth
ask: What is the most important national issue to you right now? I bet you won't get one reply saying that this is important. You can narrow your subjects down to young women, hell go for a hundred, you still won't see this issue on the radar screen- just a reply of healthcare won't count -they have to say the morning after pill. You will not see it come up among a thousand I bet.
It is people like you who have been telling us what is important to women who are blindsided and judging from the post election numbers..you have been wrong for how many election cycles now??
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Not saying it is the only important issue, but it is important
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 08:28 PM by Mass
And people like you probably never helped winning an election. Insulting people does not help.

BTW, I am a woman, and I am not sure what you are as your profile is not completed.

My most important issues, if you must know are environment, healthcare, and sustainable development.

And if I understand you clearly, pols should limit their actions to what people see on their personal life and not care about other things. Well, this is exactly why we are in the mess we are in. Because nobody cared about anything else than pork and electoral issues and nobody prepared for the future.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. I'll take that bet.
And I only need to ask one person. Reproductive freedom is top on my list of important national issues. If I don't get to choose what to do with my own damn body, nothing else really matters does it?

And your stipulation "they have to say the morning after pill" is absurd. That's like saying no one cares about torture at Abu Ghraib because "war in Iraq" doesn't cover it.

Asked that question, people will naturally choose a larger issue. Just because they don't cite the specific doesn't mean they don't care about it.

With the nomination of Roberts to the Supreme Court and the repeal of Roe within striking distance, women are waking up to the full body assault on reproductive rights going on throughout the country.

Why are we losing elections? Because we eat our own about shit like this. Do you really think Sen. Clinton is incapable of working on more than one issue at once? We complain about our own representatives when they don't act on our issues, we complain when they act on other people's issues and we complain when they do act on our issues that they didn't do enough or didn't do it soon enough or weren't in the news prominantly enough (as if they have any control over that.)

I appreciate that you don't care about the morning after pill. Fair enough. But the only person presuming to speak for all women around here is you. And your presumption is presumptious.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:30 AM
Response to Reply #39
49. Bottom Line if these issues were as important as people like you
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 05:40 AM by Prodemsouth
claim there would be a lot more noise out there about Roberts and reproductive rights. Like I said if you go to a NARAL meeting yes you will find people saying this is important. Its when people such as yourself you say "women" as if you speak for all women- (when it is beocoming ever so obivous that you do not) that gets under my skin. The morning after pill? I fully support it being available and I am not for overturning Roe V Wade. (Ohhh that reminds me maybe Hillary is making noise about the morning after pill because she plans to vote for Roberts.)
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:42 AM
Response to Reply #49
94. It's when people like yourself
start using expressions like "people like yourself" that I begin to feel I'm wasting my time. You asked for one person, I gave her to you. Show me where in my original post I implied that I speak for all women.

I find it amusing that you can't see the irony in accusing others on this thread of putting words in all women's mouths when you are so intent on doing it yourself to everyone you encounter.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #25
65. War is as important for women and Hil dont give a damn
Both are important, but Hil thinks only abortion is.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #65
77. Hillary Clinton has more care in her for the people
of this country (including our military) than anyone I can think of. This is the kind of republican thing that they love - beat up on Hillary because one has nothing better to do.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
80. Hurricane Katrina is Hillary's fault doncha know?
:eyes:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:04 PM
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26. I don't get the analogy to cigarettes and alcohol
Sex is a natural, healthy phenomenon. Cigarettes and alcohol are detriments to natural, healthy phenomenon. While delaying sex is a good thing for young women who cannot really give their consent, it is not unhealthy if practiced by consenting adults who understand the hazards of unplanned pregnancy and STDs.

Plan B solves the first problem. Good counseling, such as what happens at places that dispense Plan B and can be incorporated into warnings on drug labels or information, helps solve the second.

The fact of the matter is that Plan B can reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortions significantly.

The opponents to Plan B have another agenda entirely. It is the reducing of choice for women who are sexuallly active. Pure and simple.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Alcohol is natural and healthy if used responsibly.
As is sex. It is hard to make that claim for tobacco.
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athenap Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. Hormones
As I understand it, Plan B is a form of Birth Control that uses a hormone cocktail to render a woman's body inhospitable to pregnancy (same as the regular pill, only a stronger dose). If I'm understanding correctly, a non-partisan, legitimate issue over Plan B is how much of an effect the hormones in Plan B have on a younger girl's reproductive system, versus a more mature woman's. Especially given that younger girls with not-fully-mature reproductive systems can have unpredictable reactions to hormones. So given that information, I would be a little concerned about the health and safety issues surrounding making Plan B available to people under 17. If it goes through, then it seems that the pharmacies will treat it like other items of high shoplifting popularity (nicorette, KY, pregnancy tests, ovulation tests, condoms, etc) and keep it OTC, but in a case with a lock on it.

And the point is likely a moot one, since a fourteen year old girl who needs plan b will get a 17 year old to buy it for her, anyway.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:57 PM
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40. I see all the usual Dem haters are out tonight
Put up a positive thread about a Democrat; any Democrat - and they come crawling out of the woodwork.

It's kinda wierd - it's like you click on a DU thread and get magically transported over to FreeRepublic or something...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #40
57. Is Hillary a Dem? Who would have known?
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #40
67. The left doesn't need to be partisan
Never worship a political party. 95% will vote democrat eventually.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #67
70. Polls: War almost twice more important than abortion
Time Poll before the elections in 2004:
"Which of the following issues is most important to you in deciding how you might vote for president in November






The economy 24%
The war on terrorism 24%
The situation in Iraq 18%
Health care costs 14%
Moral values issues,
such as gay marriage and abortion: 14%

CBS poll:
War in Iraq 19
Economy/Jobs 14
Terrorism (general) 12
Moral values/Family values 3
Health care 3
Gas/Heating oil crisis 3
Education 3
Defense/Military 3
Poverty/Homelessness 3
Other 31
Unsure
http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #67
86. the left doesn't need to be damned if you do, damned if you don't
either.

and that's what I see day after day after day here on DU.


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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:55 AM
Response to Original message
43. Hillary has wasted a lot of time with trivial issues
but I think this may be useful. If this pill is safe, it should be available to those under 18 as well because it should prevent unwanted pregnancies and hence abortion. Hopefully whatever important safety and advers health affects concerns will be addressed as well.

Teens aren't going to stop having sex, but if the RWers were actually serious and consistent about preventing abortion they would quit their absurd opposition to sensible sex ed and birth control (including pills like the morning after pill). Of course we know that RW fundies are neither sensible, nor consistent.

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
59. You mean they can call for hearings on stuff?
Boy, I would of started with the missing 9 Billion dollars missing in Iraq!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #59
79. 9 billion could pay for a lot of Health Education programs- I agree.
Lets have a hearing on that first.

Oh wait a minute- if we did that, Sean Hannity would compare Hill to Micheal Moore- so we better not do that.

Let's stick to video games and cute little fetus-babies.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:34 AM
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51. This may not be the most important issue to everyone but it's still big
Senators deal with many things and I for one am glad that these Senators are looking into this.

Hate Hillary if you want but there are women out there who need this medication and the FDA is dragging its feet on this.

Good lord, folks!!! They're doing something good and they get dumped on here at DU. Give it a rest.

If men got pregnant this EC would be available like candy. I would like to think that progressives/liberals would understand.

This is one of the good things that the Senate is doing. There are other things they will do but this is just ONE of them.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
56. "Ya body belonga me!"
Next comes foot-binding, and ham-stringing! Must hobble the breeders, lest they escape.....
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:31 PM
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60. This is important, but what about the illegal war based on
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 01:34 PM by pberq
a pack of lies that Ms. Clinton supports?

All these social issues that she is working on are trumped by her support for the world military empire of the U.S.

On edit:

From - Democrats, take a stand: Helen Thomas

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

". . .What is the logic of Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Joseph Biden, D-Del. and other so-called moderate Democrats still backing the unprovoked war in Iraq when they know they were sold a bill of goods?"
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bluetuesday Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:53 PM
Response to Original message
62. morning after
She is going to need some kind of morning after pill
when she loses her run for the Whitehouse.
And she will lose unless she can get with the real issue
in this country that's making history and making a difference.
That is the brave and courageous gold star mothers led by
Cindy Sheehan in Crawford.
WHERE ARE OUR LEADERS??? JOE BIDEN, JOHN KERRY,HILLARY ???
It's like they have gone into hiding~
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. Wrong - come election time,it will be about abortion,
flag-burning, gay marriage and prayer in school because that is what the republicans will want it to be about - they won't even talk about this so-called war.Didn't you hear bush tell the VFW (I think) the other day he wanted a flag-burning amendment. Surprisingly, they didn't all hoot and holler over that - think they thought there might be a few things more important.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. Abortion is not a Top Issue for Voters
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. And most voters are idiots.
American voters are probably the most ill informed and badly educated voters in the world. Quoting polls reflecting them is hardly likely to influence any of the more intelligent voters on this board.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. I agree with you
It doesn't matter what voter's top issues are anyway - it will be about the hot button issues and the republicans will see to it that it isn't about the war or jobs or gas - that is what I was attempting to say. They will make it about any hot button social issue they can think of - like school prayer.
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #78
83. You contradict yourself
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 05:21 PM by glendavis77
You seemed to give much importance to the issues in your post titled "Wrong - come election time,it will be about abortion,"
Now after learning most voters consider the war a more imporant issue you all of a sudden believe that it's not that important?
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. Idiots because their priority is not abortion?
Edited on Sun Aug-28-05 05:26 PM by glendavis77
Those to whom abortion is important, but not the most important issue are idiots?
Interesting.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #82
88. Think about it. This nation is founded on the preservation of the rights
of the individual. If we do not fight to retain that principle , what is the point of our existence as a nation????
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glendavis77 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. The rights of the Iraqis are as important
As our rights. Let's not invade them illegally and kill their women and children and torture their citizens.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #92
97. If we had respect for our own citizens , we wouldn't do that.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 09:21 AM by saracat
We must uphold OUR Constitution before we tell anyone else what to do.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #92
98. Where were you when Iraq was invaded?
There was quite a bit of discussion at DU.
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bluetuesday Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #66
90. wrong
Maybe not, I did notice many were wearing their bullshit protectors
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
85. A thread like this -- Hillary AND women's issues -- is like a magnet...
... for knuckle-draggers, isn't it?

Unbefuckinglievable.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. Maybe these knuckle-draggers having to support 7 kids
by themselves because their wives died during childbirth or they can't get laid because of risk of pregnancy, will finally shut their damn mouths or get out of our way.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:11 PM
Response to Original message
91. Nero Clinton fiddles while rome burns.
How about an investigation on price gouging, or an Iraq timetable?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #91
96. Yeah. SOOO much more important than individual rights.
Why should any women want to live in a country where her rights are less important than gas prices? Sheesh. This disgusts me.
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