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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:02 AM
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Bush pressed to meet protestor mom
Pressure continued to mount for President Bush to meet with the distraught mom of a soldier killed in Iraq as both Bay State senators backed the woman and scores of families joined her outside Bush's Texas home, including two from Massachusetts.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday each threw their support behind Cindy Sheehan, who has been camped outside Bush's Crawford, Texas, home since Saturday, vowing not to leave until the president meets with her about the war. Sheehan's 24-year-old Marine son, Casey, was killed five days after he arrived in Iraq.

``The president has not leveled with our troops and the American people,'' Kennedy said. ``I admire Cindy Sheehan for her courage and determination to make the president answer to her.''

Kerry spokeswoman April Boyd said: ``Senator Kerry understands the demands on Bush's schedule but hopes he will take time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan.''
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid...
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:05 AM
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1. Is she going to follow him to Washington?
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 04:07 AM by bluestateguy
I suspect that she'll have to take this thing into the fall if she's going to get that meeting.

If she goes home after Baby Bush's vacation is over then the conservatives will be able to declare victory.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:20 AM
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3. Yes, she is
She's said she'll camp on the White House lawn if she has to. As long as we support her, she can take this as long as she needs to. I'm sure somebody will loan her an RV for winter.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:05 PM
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76. I drive by the white house every day.
You know she'll get a honk and a thumbs up from me and a hot sandwitch or a pizza if I'm walking by and know she's on the way!
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:11 AM
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2. The line from Kerry's spokesperson is pretty funny
as if time had anything to do with it.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:58 AM
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25. yes......it is as if bush's schedule IS an EXCUSE FOR not meeting cindy
sheehan.

it must be the skull and bones connection.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:44 AM
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28. No...it's making the point that Bush is on VACATION and has plenty of time
and how he chooses to spend that time will speak volumes. Bush is supposed to attend a fundraider today at 5000 a plate, remember?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:20 PM
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77. i agree, playing the gentleman
exposes the lack of class on bush's part-

i wrote Kerry yesterday asking why he's been silent- so glad to hear he isn't.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:00 AM
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31. Cutting trees down is easier than meeting with a pissed off mother!!!
Meeting with mothers is HARD, HARD Work! Hard Work!!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:04 AM
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32. I know - that is really lame.
It is back door support.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:35 PM
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69. clearing brush is 'hard work' and takes LOTS of time,
didn't you know? And then there's the time allocated for learning to ride bikes... :sarcasm:

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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:22 AM
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4. This is an illegal, immoral Democrat war, too.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 04:24 AM by FlemingsGhost
You can't have it both ways, Senators.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:27 AM
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5. I assume you are referring to Kerry because Kennedy was and is
against the Iraq war

and as far as I know has never indicated that we MUST stay the course

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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:34 AM
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7. Yes
Thank you for pointing that out.

Sorry for any confusion.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:34 AM
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8. Dupe
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 04:38 AM by FlemingsGhost
.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:33 AM
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6. yes of course
They're criticized for not standing up against the Republicans on the war, but when they do, they're told to shut up because they "voted for the war". But Bush, who specifically said it was NOT a vote for war, gets away with that lie completely. Until the Downing Street Memo comes up, and then it's Bush was planning war in secret while telling the people he wasn't planning a war. :crazy:

Seems to me the left has spun the rhetoric on this war 15 ways from Sunday. If you want an opposition party, you're going to have to take it where you can get it, and be glad you got it.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:43 AM
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10. Show me the "opposition party," sandnsea
I see pigs gorging themselves at the corporate feeding trough.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:05 PM
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57. And I see that "finger in the wind to see which way it is blowing"
mentality - complete with a compliment to bunkerboy.

Lukewarm support is SUCH a thrill!

With friends like these...

But I'm glad HIS SPOKESPERSON finally said something, even if Kerry couldn't bring himself away from his "busy" schedule to say so in front of the microphones HIMSELF - that would be too much to ask.

But gotta love the excuses - they are a laugh a minute!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:20 PM
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65. Kerry is on the road
He was at the IMUS Ranch two days ago, riding a large, energetic cutting horse (one of those four legged ones that the chimp is afraid of) and cutting cattle with the ranchhands.

He is driving around out west in a Ford F150 with a Harley in the back. The speculation is that he is combining a bit of vacation with a bit of organization for 08. Who knows, maybe he is talking to Bill Richardson about teaming up???? If Bill starts dropping a lot of weight, gives some major policy speeches, and gets real sartorial, we'll have some serious speculating to do...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:07 PM
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:15 PM
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60. Spare me the sanctimony. It's appreciated but a too little and too late.
Guess he had to figure out how he could compliment a fellow skull and boneser.

Spare me your bullshit.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:39 PM
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63. And usually against Dems, and Kerry in particular
They pipe up, they're wrong. They don't pipe up, they're wrong. They go there, they're wrong. They don't go there, they're wrong.

Fuck it.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:41 AM
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9. So that means she wasn't arrested yesterday?
Unless she was trespassing on private property, she has done nothing wrong.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:57 AM
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42. Cindy's lawyer...

...solicited the ACLU and sent out letters to lawyers all over Texas earlier this week seeking help after it was announced she would be "arrested on Thursday" so they were "lawyering up" and i am sure a phone call or two was made reminding the sheriff of some past transgression of his. :evilgrin:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:45 AM
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11. if he doesn't pay attention to polls
why should he pay attention to 1 regular American mom....?

http://radfringe.tripod.com / (new toon 8/11)

he's flipping us all the bird, or thumb, or pen or some other offending protuberance? :evilgrin:
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:42 AM
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24. WOAH!
Read the article under that.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:06 AM
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12. W fails every test: Noblesse oblige, Southern Gent, Christian, ...
...Compassionate conservative.

He could have played this so many ways and looked like a human being:

* Royalty would have sent out a basket of food and cool water for the poor suffering subject who lost her son in the king's war. Even if the king or duke or whoever didn't come out of his castle, the gesture would have been sympathetic. Bush fails the test of noblesse oblige.

* A true Southern Gentleman (and I think some Texans like to be courtly to their women even if not in the Deep South style) would have invited her to the front porch for a pitcher of iced tea, at the very least. Bush fails the test of traditional good manners to women.

* A good neighbor would have walked down to the end of his driveway to hear her out. He's not really a good neighbor, is he?

* A Christian would have felt her pain as his own and would have acted accordingly. Wouldn't have laughed at Karla Faye Tucker for saying she was born-again, either, but that just goes to character.

* A Compassionate Conservative -- oh, please, now I'm going to hurt myself laughing. A CC would point out that this is an all-volunteer army and the bereaved should just take their lumps and stop bellyaching.

Bush just fails and fails to get humanity, or even good manners, and so do his handlers.

The only thing I find surprising is how naked this failure is. I thought the cabal was cunning enough to at least try to fake interest in Cindy Sheehan's plight in an effort to defuse the situation.

Instead they have tried to ignore her, then smear her. But a lot of the media has caught on to this tactic ('bout time) and a lot of people are noticing how tone-deaf the Bushco statements continue to be. And more people are showing up in Crawford all the time.

Not good for Bushie, not good at all.

Hekate
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 05:16 AM
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13. Well ... it has given Rove time to plot his next move re: Plame
Mission Accomplished.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:24 PM
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62. Ah, but you underestimate the hubris:
(Excellent post, btw.)

The only thing I find surprising is how naked this failure is. I thought the cabal was cunning enough to at least try to fake interest in Cindy Sheehan's plight in an effort to defuse the situation.

Well, they did "fake" an interest -- Bush/Rove sent Hadley and Hagin, you remember (LOL, and Cindy chewed them up and spit them out with her "I may be grieving, but I'm not stupid" remark in which she told them she didn't think even THEY could believe what they're saying) -- and Bush faked interest in his comments yesterday.

They think this will blow over too. And it may. They may be able to come up with something to MAKE it blow over (and my perennial fear is another terror attack).

They don't seem to get how thoroughly they've painted themselves in a corner: meet with her, he loses (tho not as bad) because she gets publicity for her cause; don't meet with her, he loses because she gets publicity for her cause and HE looks like the arrogant ass he is.

'Bout time someone on our side was able to engineer one of those lose/lose situations the right is famous for engineering against us.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:21 AM
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14. Here is the official list of "demands" on Bush's schedules
8am - Barney the Dinosaur
9am - Sesame Street
10am - snack
10:30am - Candyland tournament with Secret Service
11:30am - nap (he gets cranky after so much excitement)
12pm - pb and j lunch
1pm - xbox
2pm - Pickles reads "The Pet Goat" to him
3pm - Pickles re-reads "The Pet Goat" to him because he didn't get it
4pm - imaginary friend time
5pm - nap
6pm - supper
7pm - Veggie tale
9pm - tucked in for the night
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:11 AM
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17. LOL
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 07:12 AM by johnnie
Funny. That made me literally laugh out loud. Snack, Xbox...LOL.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:07 AM
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33. You missed the "Ride bicycle and honk horn time" I think! nt
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:29 PM
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ROFL!
:rofl:

You forgot sneaks up at 11pm and watches Lizzie McQuire. Shhhh, don't tell Babs.



Naughty, Naughty!

;)

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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
75. When does he squeeze in his 2-hour workout and
his bike ride (after which he'll need time to go to the clinic for band-aids).
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:56 AM
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15. Kennedy speaks for himself; Kerry speaks through a spokeswoman
That bothers me a little. No, actually, that bothers me a lot. C'mon, John. This is no time to be wishy-washy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:55 AM
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29. Kerry is in Montana with Schweitzer. The reporter called his office for a
statement. Why would THAT anger you? If Kennedy was out of his office on vacation, his spokesperson would havedelivered his statement.

http://www.montanastandard.com/articles/2005/08/12/news...
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:09 AM
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35. They don't have TV studios in Montana? nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:14 AM
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38. Jump down the throat of Senator who puts out a statement supporting Cindy
That's called misdirected anger.

Try calling the 42 other senators who haven't spoken about it.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #38
73. bravo!!! well said blm! n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #38
78. spot on- Blm
.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:06 AM
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16. "I can't believe Bush has been so stupid
to not come out and talk to her yet and diffuse the whole thing," Lyman said.

I can...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:13 AM
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19. "who cares what you think"
I can too. His hubris will be his downfall.
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mknmehappy Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:55 AM
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30. He will never talk to her face to face, never won't happen.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:08 AM
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34. This is a political mistake for Bush. Holding tight to his "idiot" status
He should meet with her, grin is shit-eating grin, and tell her how the war was for a "noble cause." He practically does this to the cameras every night anyway. By not doing this, he's just calling attention to her cause. He's just too much of a stubborn prick to understand this.

All it would take is just one more snicker in the face of a grieving family member to make this go away.

How pathetic.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:13 AM
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18. That's nice. Why don't they go meet her?
At least Kerry could explain why the war is worth supporting maybe?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:19 AM
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22. exactly
It would be a wonderful thing to see.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:15 AM
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20. Watch out, Cindy. When the going gets tough, the little toughie
will sic Big Babs on you.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:18 AM
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21. It should not have taken a full week for these politicians
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 07:18 AM by Skidmore
to announce their support for Cindy Sheehan. How many of these people need to stand and put their fingers in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before they make a statement of support? It is stuff like this that makes me angry with the Dems now. Some of them need to get down there and be very visibly present. Stand for something. Anything. Just stand for it. People these are supposed to be our leaders....
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 07:41 AM
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23. that was my initial thought, too
i also think kerry's statement is not bold enough. w should come out of his burrow and face the coyotes, and i think politicians should say that right out, instead of pussy footing around. who cares how freakin' busy he is?! people are dying every day while he cowers. speak up, speak loud, and be bold and fearless, for cryin' out loud!!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:11 PM
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59. Shhhhh! Sit down and shut up and be greatful for the tiny morsel
from the great saint Kerry! Don't you know there are about a hundred EXCUSES why Kerry can't/hasn't done anything! Gosh - you KNOW you're not supposed to ever ask impertinent questions of the great SAINT KERRY!

Too little, way too goddamned late. But thanks anyway - we'll all get along fine without him - we have FOR OVER A WEEK NOW!
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #59
66. how dare i !!!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:02 AM
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26. The Democratic "Leadership" is with Cindy MORE and MORE,
and she needs them LESS and LESS.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:51 AM
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39. Totally unacceptable.
They should have been on board from the beginning.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 09:26 AM
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27. But I thought bush** was on VACATION?
"Senator Kerry understands the demands on Bush's schedule but hopes he will take the time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan." Oh that's right, it's a working VACATION. Chimpy is such a hard worker! No time for the peasants, especially the ones' whose life he has ruined, through outright lies.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:11 AM
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36. "Bring 'em on!!!", Bush says about the mothers! nt
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:12 AM
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37. this is f*ck-up #2

They were completely carried away w/ their own influence and importance by totally over reacting 2 Schiavo - complete w/ blivet** LEAVING crawford 2 sign legislation. THAT started the wake-up call; the poll #s slide and left the CMC up 2 their armpits in the entire mess of, mostly, their creation.

The CMC is now ignoring Cindy Sheehan cuz they're under orders. Her vigil is being covered by the internet beautifully - food - water - people traveling there; CMC is out of the loop 'n blivet** is looking like the coward he is by refusing 2 meet w/ her. It is now toooo late for him 2 met w/ her. If he had been there on Sunday when she arrived this would all be over instead of gaining momentum. Imagine the PR if he had been there on Sunday B4 CMC even showed up or knew what was going on?
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 10:55 AM
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40. AWOL is demonstrating "Compasionate Conservatism" I guess!! nt
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:14 AM
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41. Bush's own Mom has forever scarred his ability to talk to Mothers! nt
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #41
79. i've been toying with the notion of going to Kennybunkport
and entreating his mother to admonish him-
She understands what it is like to lose a child-
It nearly did her in.

Mother-to-mother

Wish with all that is in me, i could join the folks in Texas in body- but it's just not possible. Me. is much more do-able.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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43. Bush pressed to meet protester mom (by Mass Senators Kennedy & Kerry)
http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid...

Bush pressed to meet protester mom
By Dave Wedge
Friday, August 12, 2005

Pressure continued to mount for President Bush to meet with the distraught mom of a soldier killed in Iraq as both Bay State senators backed the woman and scores of families joined her outside Bush's Texas home, including two from Massachusetts. Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday each threw their support behind Cindy Sheehan, who has been camped outside Bush's Crawford, Texas, home since Saturday, vowing not to leave until the president meets with her about the war. Sheehan's 24-year-old Marine son, Casey, was killed five days after he arrived in Iraq. ``The president has not leveled with our troops and the American people,'' Kennedy said. ``I admire Cindy Sheehan for her courage and determination to make the president answer to her.'' Kerry spokeswoman April Boyd said: ``Senator Kerry understands the demands on Bush's schedule but hopes he will take time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan.''

Speaking with reporters at his ranch yesterday, Bush expressed sympathy but made no concessions. White House aides met with Sheehan, which she described as ``pointless.'' ``She feels strongly about her position. And she has every right in the world to say what she believes,'' Bush said. But, he said, pulling out of Iraq now would be a ``mistake.'' ``One way to honor the fallen is to lay the foundation for peace,'' he said.

Sheehan was joined by soldiers' families who oppose the war, including a Hyannis mom whose son is being deployed next week and the wife and daughters of a Massachusetts National Guard sergeant from Billerica who is in Iraq. Rose Gonzalez, whose mother is serving north of Baghdad with the National Guard, called Sheehan ``inspiring.'' ``It's not too much to ask a president sending all these people into harm's way, to ask for time to speak with him,'' said Gonzalez, who will speak at a vigil on Boston Common tomorrow night to honor Sheehan. ``She lost a 24-year-old son. He was just a baby.''

Boston Mobilization organized the vigil to raise awareness and help military families who want to join Sheehan. Spokeswoman Eve Lyman said Bush should give her the courtesy of a meeting. "I can't believe Bush has been so stupid to not come out and talk to her yet and diffuse the whole thing,'' Lyman said.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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44. Kicking for Cindy and Senators Kerry and Kennedy
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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45. FINALLY!
some dem leadership that is getting involved in ms. sheehan's plight!
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Chicago1 Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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46. Thank you Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy!!! :)
Edited on Fri Aug-12-05 12:28 PM by Chicago1
You both are WONDERFUL AND WE LOVE YOU!!!!

Senator Kerry, I can't wait until you get sworn in as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (which technically YOU ARE!!!)
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mike923 Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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47. I haven't spent much time...
reading up on this story, but was her son a conscience objector?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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54. No, he was enlisted
Here's a good place to start some reading.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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48. Everyone who supported this war should meet her.
From president Cheney on down. They should line up. Isn't it time?

Bless Mrs. Sheehan's heart. We're all suffering in her grief.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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49. Kerry should go down there and meet with her
that would drive * fricking nuts.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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55. No politician has Cindy's commitment, instead they weigh the risks
and decide that making statements, the thing they do best, is actually the best thing to do.

The big problem for many (most?) of the federal level Democrats is that they support continued use of troops.

Who would you imagine out on Prairie Chapel Road?


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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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50. Good for them.
I would like to see a joint press conference between Bush and Sheehan after their discussion. How long should the Sheehan/Bush meeting last? Bush should talk with Sheehan for as long as it takes for the two of them to agree on a mutual statement to the press. Cindy Sheehan is speaking for the vast majority of Americans.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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51. Politicians stay out
The people are speaking now because you didn't have the guts too before.

The One mother standing for all is a powerful image. It is personal and above politics. Self-serving politicians will poison the atmosphere

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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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52. True leadership...
...I hope Bush watches and learns how it's done (although I doubt he will). Thank you Senators Kerry and Kennedy! :patriot:
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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53. Wonderful development! Thank you, Kerry and Kennedy! n/t
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Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:40 PM
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56. Guess everything helps but
I don't quite get this line. Kerry Spokeswoman April Boyd said
Senator Kerry understands the demands on Bush's schedule but hopes
he will take time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan. Huh - he's on a five
week vacation with brief public relation stints each day. Demands
on his Schedule.. Guess politicians always have to keep the kid
gloves on, when it comes to Bush anyway.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:28 PM
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74. it was a joke.
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Podface Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 01:20 PM
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61. With luck
The idiot will continue to ignore her and let the situation
escalate. 

Has anyone seen the ad she is running? Devastating!

It looks like the major networks will be giving it the same
"analysis" as the swift boat ad, giving her massive
exposure. 

The worm has turned.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 02:12 PM
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64. As Bill Maher said to Larry King the other night
Bush is "between Iraq and a hard place." And he has no one to blame but himself because he looks at capitulating now as weakness!

:headbang:
rocknation
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 03:38 PM
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67. My theory confirmed!
From The Light Of Reason:

...Bush does not decide what is the best action to take based on the available evidence and then determining what is best in terms of our own interests. No, he views such decisions through the prism of how they might be judged by our enemies...

This is the psychology of a man whose self-esteem is tied to his belief that he is always right in every decision-not that his method is correct, which is where a man of genuine self-esteem will ground his self-worth (since all of us will make errors, and it is only when our method is correct that we will eventually discover them), but that he is right in each specific decision he makes. For such a man, to admit that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a disastrous and calamitous error would be an admission that he himself is a failure.

...There is only one possible healthy reaction to this state of affairs: you should be very, very afraid. I certainly am.

:scared:
rocknation

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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 04:23 PM
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68. "Demands on Bush's schedule"?
He's on vacation. Again. What, he has to interrupt a round of golf?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:24 PM
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70. Ted & John are right. Both have always honored the troops (pic)
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:19 PM
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71. That is one of my favorite pics
I don't care what people think of this man, Kerry is such a gentleman.

Not like the critter in the WH!
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 11:33 PM
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80. agree, i was
recalling that picture just the other day.
These men DO understand war, and death, and loss. First hand.
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Daphne08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:48 AM
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82. I agree. Kerry is a classy gentleman. Another thing,
I was already an adult during the Vietnam War, and John Kerry did NOT dishonor himself or this country! He came home and told the truth, much the same as Paul Hackett has done (to a lesser degree).







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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 08:24 PM
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72. Bush is going to have to meet with Cindy
Her movement is gathering too much steam. The only way for him to diffuse it is to meet with her.

If he does, another Gold Star Mom needs to demand the same. And on and on...
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-05 01:09 AM
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81. Oh! YES!
Let Bu$h meet her and let it be broadcast on all TV and radio stations and let people know what a GREEDY LYING FUCKTARD was elected or stole the election.
LET THE TRUTH OUT!
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