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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:08 PM
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The Raw Story: Newsweek: Leak prosecutor's boss likely to be replaced...
with Bush classmate; 'Skull and Bones'

Newsweek's Michael Isikoff will splash a story in tomorrow's Newsweek which reveals that the boss of CIA leak probe prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is likely to be replaced by a former Bush classmate at Yale.

What's more, Newsweek has found that the new boss is a fellow initiate of the Yale secret society, Skull and Bones. Details will appear on the magazine's website early Sunday and on newsstands Monday.


http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Newsweek_Leak_prosecutors_boss_likely_to_be_replaced_with_Bush_classmate_Scull_an_0806.html

get your Reynolds wrap out
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Dickie Flatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:11 PM
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1. In other news, Fitzgerald's body to be replaced with.. [warning: rated r]
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 08:13 PM by Dickie Flatt
bloody pulp.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:14 PM
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2. Hahaha
If this is true... Spikey Mikey must have seen some black helicopters today. This is too funny.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:04 PM
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22. How the hell can this be funny to you?
I, for one, am not amused.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:44 PM
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25. I don't think the issue itself is funny...
I just get a kick out of all of the Skull and Bones conspiracy stuff
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:41 PM
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35. You are easily amused
if you find that so funny.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:14 PM
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3. Replaced on what grounds?
Is he planning to retire?

:shrug:
rocknation
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Son of California Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:14 PM
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4. shit just gets weirder
but I'm a little surprised that this kind of thing is going to be put out in the MSM.
How did Isikoff dig this up? It just seems like something that would be kept totally under wraps.

are there a hundred modern deep throats right now? Republicans who love their country more than their party, attacking the Beast from the inside? Will they be making a movie about this 30 years from now.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:22 PM
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6. My thoughts exactly.
It sounds a little too tin foil hatty for a publication like Newsweek. The key words are "likely to be replaced". I guess we will find out as this develops.

In any case, what I care about is that the CIA leak issue will get a little more gas thrown on it. It has been running out of fuel in the past few days.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:23 PM
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7. There were threads on DU last week about this. The friend of
Fitzgerald who recommended/appointed him as prosecutor(Comey?) quit for reasons I have yet to hear - probably to spend more time with his family, but at least he had Fitz's back; now this new guy will put a knife in it.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:41 PM
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15. maybe he is going to tell Bush & co what fitz is up too!!!
but if I was him I would watch my butt!!! CIA is everywhere!!!!
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:45 PM
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37. He's going to Lockheed Martin
effective October 1.

That may be, probably is, only a part of the story.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:18 PM
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5. Past the Tipping Point -
I would hope. As was Watergate's tawdry attempt to control matters via the Saturday Night Massacre in which I-am-not-a-crook Nixon fired Archibald Cox, if memory serves.

Any attempt to conswerve Fitzgerald by his new boss will blow sky high and end in impeachment if not treason proceedings, IMHO, leaving Fitzgerald as a fusion reform candidate.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:23 PM
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8. interesting that Newsweek is reporting on Skull & Bones
I've had the impression it was not so big a deal, but maybe it's significant after all.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:45 PM
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18. so true
isnt a big deal to Kerry
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:26 PM
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9. Great. The Fratboy Death Cult comes to W's rescue.
I can see why you might make the tinfoil hat reference but let's face it they ARE an elitist fraternity with a history of putting eachother in positions of power.

If true this is not good news.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:09 AM
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50. Exactly. It's tinfoily to believe Skull and Bones controls everything
but it's undeniable that they are a clique of the rich and powerful.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:28 PM
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10. Gee, I wonder what will happen to Fitzgerald now?!?
maybe an 'accident'?
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:25 PM
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43. I hope some good friends of his advise him to stay away
from Chicago! :scared:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/08/most-important-story-of-our-time.html

(I hope it's just a rumor!)

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

What are these evildoers Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfailed up to??

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:30 PM
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11. Saturday Night Massacre Redux?
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 08:31 PM by Gman
It's coming real soon now. Maybe even before October. Bush absolutely cannot have any indictments come out. EVerything for them will then begin to fall apart. They will NOT let that happen.

Stay tuned for what may be a constitutional crisis this fall. Maybe then people will realize that there was a revolution in 2000 and we've been living under a provisional radical right wing government.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:32 PM
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12. could be a recess appointment
Dumbya could bypass the Senate and appoint him immediately. If he goes through the Senate it could be at least one month before he will be voted on and more time if Dems fillibuster, which would allow Fitz ample time to issue indictments.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:34 PM
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13. Bush & Gonzalez who are part of the Investigation are Replacing
Fitzgerald!!! Thats a sign of Bush's guilt right there and its definitely time for Americans to hit the streets and demand justice for America!!!Its going to look extremely bad if they replace him and I don't think Bush who has the power to do it or Gonzalez!!!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:38 PM
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14. Impeach Bush for this if he does it. He's a suspect & so is Gonzo
Just let them try it. Wanna see what it's like to be president with a 30% approval rating. Watch how the 'moderates' in the house swell in membership. It will blow your mind.

Come on, Bush, do it, just do it. Watch Fitzgerald do indictments immediately after that. Name Bush as a 'person of interest' to the investigation. haha....these guys are f'ing nuts.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:26 PM
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24. An 'unnamed coconspirator'. Isn't that how it went?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:58 PM
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40. Hay, I'm a "reprobate" too! Yes but "person of interest" has a certain
poetic quality, not to mention the opening of the public's imagination. Then it's indicted conspirator.
:hi:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:03 PM
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42. Self delete
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 11:15 PM by EST
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:41 PM
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16. The Dems MUST filibuster this appointment
If they don't they will be guilty of obstructing justice.

but then again we are in bizarro world
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:44 PM
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17. Holy crap! Talk about messing w/ the investigation.
Nothing like putting some pressure on Fitzgerald. (And not too far from Nixon's control over Felt/Deep Throat's FBI boss.)
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:52 PM
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19. Saturday Night Massacre lite
They don't want to do it that same way Nixon did. but they want to do it.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:56 PM
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20. Skull & Bones - Documentary about Yale's secret society

Dutch TV - Documentary about Yale's secret society, 'Skull & Bones'
(first min. in Dutch, but fantastic revealing interviews & footage)

=======

CBS News '60 minutes' - Skull & Bones
'Apart from presidents, Bones has included cabinet officers, spies, Supreme Court justices, statesmen and captains of industry'

======
video available for stream or download here-
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video...etsocieties.htm
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:38 PM
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34. link isn't working...would love to see this..... do you have another?
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 08:58 PM
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21. This would look like a big time cover-up if they did do it
I hope they try it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:15 PM
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23. I think Fitz will loose his job in Ill, but not as Sp. Prosecutor.
Edited on Sat Aug-06-05 09:15 PM by napi21
I know he would need reappointed in Oct as Ill Us Atty, and if this friend of Shrub is still a buddy, as Fitz's boss, he will probably juat appoint someone else who is a friend. That's the eway things go in the judicial system.

I still doubt very much you'll see Gonzales replace Fitz as Sp. Prosecutor. The GJ is almost done, the investigation is near completion. If this were the firs several months, maybe, but not after 2+ years.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:56 PM
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39. they can't, unles they pull a nixon and fire him
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:38 PM
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44. That's what I said. Gonzales could fire him, but I doubt it will happen.
I don't remember how long Cox was on the case with Nixon, but I know it wasn't 2+ years!

It's been way too long to pull that one off and not suffer irreparable political damage.

I just don't see it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:26 AM
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47. I hope you are right
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 02:08 AM
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46. This story is getting more and more like Watergate every day.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:53 PM
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26. I find these kinds of things
from Raw Story very irritating. Who is the person they are talking about? Is it a real story or just a splash on their site to make it seem something it is not.

It has been circulated for some time that Timothy Flanigan is supposed to come on board. It's not some breaking news story if this is who Raw Story means

The ACLU is opposing the nomination:

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=18814&c=206

Also here is a blip from David Corn:

The arrival of Timothy Flanigan as Patrick J. Fitzgerald's boss is likely related to the mountains of evidence Fitzgerald has now collected to indict senior White House officials, particularly, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for criminal conspiracy in exposing a sensitive U.S. intelligence operation that was targeting some of their closest political and business associates
http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/07/rove_scandal_qu.php
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:02 PM
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27. Thanks for the insight, OKNancy!
Having followed the Plame case since it began, would be very disappointed, (very pissed off actually), if Fitzgerald were to be completely removed from the case.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:09 PM
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28. I guess the breaking news is that Newsweek is reporting this...
and not the story itself.

I understand the point though. There are a lot of stories like that get released that sound like more than they are.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:13 PM
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29. It won't be long before the Newsweek
story is out. Then we will see what's up. Until then, I'm not going to speculate.
This is in no way criticism of you for posting it btw.
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:26 PM
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32. Yeah I understand. This is what happens when you have a nested news report
Someone reporting about a release of a story that is not even out yet.

...if that makes any sense

Oh well, like I said initially - At least it is generating interest in this important issue.
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Halliburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:15 PM
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30. interesting snip from Froomkin
<snip>
John Harwood (subscription required) raises a fascinating issue in his Washington Wire column in the Wall Street Journal: "Imminent departure of Deputy Attorney General Comey, who appointed CIA leak prosecutor Fitzgerald, would create a vacuum, since Gonzales is recused because of previous White House counsel service. Arriving deputy Flanigan, who also worked in counsel's office, may have similar problem, while third-in-command McCallum is Yale friend of Bush. Comey plans to give the responsibility to career Justice attorney, though the only control Fitzgerald's Justice handler has is to fire him."
<snip>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/07/29/BL2005072900853_5.html

This is a good sign. He can't block indictments or impede the investigation in anyway.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:22 PM
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31. Same article says Fitzgerald's job is safe
Thank you so much for that link.

Another part of the column:


<snip>

But Lynn Sweet writes in the Chicago Sun-Times today that Fitzgerald's job is safe.

"Though his term is up this fall, U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the aggressive prosecutor who is investigating Mayor Daley's City Hall, possible illegal White House leaks and who has a former Illinois governor awaiting a corruption trial, is in no danger of losing his job.

"House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was asked about Peter Fitzgerald's concerns Thursday . 'I know there been innuendos about my getting pressures. I can tell you nobody has talked to me or called me about this. Anybody. Period,' Hastert said. . . .

"Legally, if President Bush does nothing, he stays on the job even though his term is over. Politically, Bush would face a storm of protest if he fired a man who is investigating his own administration."

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 01:14 AM
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45. Why would "a storm of protest" bother the Bushies?
They seem to have a knack for weathering storms.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:37 PM
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33. Link to a GD Politics thread on the same topic
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:42 PM
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36. There was a bumper sticker
after Nixon fired Archibald Cox:

"Impeach the Cox Sacker!"
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:55 PM
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38. excuse me, they cannot replace the Special Prosecuter
on Plame Grand Jury, until the Grand Jury is done

Yes, he could lose his job in Chicago, but not the special prosecutors job as I understand it

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:47 AM
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49. I believe you are right
And either way, he has to do a report on his findings.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 11:02 PM
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41. Kick for the Prosecution!
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RSchewe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 04:25 AM
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48. Newsweek released the article
Aug. 15, 2005 issue - The departure this week of Deputy Attorney General James Comey, who has accepted the post of general counsel at Lockheed Martin, leaves a question mark in the probe into who leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Comey was the only official overseeing special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's leak investigation. With Attorney General Alberto Gonzales recused, department officials say they are still trying to resolve whom Fitzgerald will now report to. Associate Attorney General Robert McCallum is "likely" to be named as acting deputy A.G., a DOJ official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter tells NEWSWEEK. But McCallum may be seen as having his own conflicts: he is an old friend of President Bush's and a member of his Skull and Bones class at Yale. One question: how much authority Comey's successor will have over Fitzgerald. When Comey appointed Fitzgerald in 2003, the deputy granted him extraordinary powers to act however he saw fit—but noted he still had the right to revoke Fitzgerald's authority. The questions are pertinent because law-yers close to the case believe the probe is in its final stages. Fitzgerald recently called White House aide Karl Rove's secretary and his former top aide to testify before the grand jury. They were asked why there was no record of a phone call from Time reporter Matt Cooper, with whom Rove discussed the CIA agent, says a source close to Rove who requested anonymity because the FBI asked participants not to comment. The source says the call went through the White House switchboard, not directly to Rove.


It looks like the article is cut off, unless that "article continues below" link is a mistake.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853002/site/newsweek/
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:18 AM
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51. Lock
Actual article is now posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1682911

Continue discussion there. Thank you
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