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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:38 PM
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Marine killings in Iraq send new warning sign to Bush
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050803/pl_afp/usiraq_050803214658

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They must also square their aspirations with a US government audit last week that security woes were slowing progress in Iraq deemed vital to stilling the insurgency.

And rising violence calls into question Vice President Dick Cheney's remark in May that the insurgency was in its "last throes."

Eighty-two percent of people polled by Foreign Affairs and Public Agenda for a survey released Wednesday, but conducted before the latest spike in violence, worried a lot, or somewhat that the Iraq war was reaping too many casualties.

"The picture we have is really quite similar to that of a lot of polls that share a growing concern about the situation in Iraq," said Public Agenda Chairman Daniel Yankelovich.

"The concern is growing. There is no question."

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:40 PM
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1. regugs will go on the offense now--over and over we will hear how much
progress is being made. It started today on the talk shows. They must all have the same talking points.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:41 PM
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2. please rate this yahoo story up: Average (132 votes) with 2.5 stars only.




Average (132 votes)
2.5 stars
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:42 PM
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3. GRAND headline---puts the onus on Bush!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:43 PM
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5. nominated also.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:50 PM
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9. done
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:03 PM
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18. WHAT is with this NEW way to rate a yahoo story???? My computer
just does NOT SEEM to respond. Any help?? Suggestions please?

Thanks
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:37 PM
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23. I just clicked on the star where the changing text read
Very Highly, and that brought me to a new page that said: Sign in to Yahoo! - ... Now, since that is someting I refuse to do, I just hit the Back button, and that brought me back to the previous one, where when I clicked on the Refresh toolbar button, I saw the number of votes had increased by 1 (does that mean my vote was valid even if I refused to "Sign in" because I don't want to? I don't know for sure). But the votes keep adding and the rating (2.5) remains the same.

Hope just to help (me scratching my head for a while here...)

(Is that the way it's always been or is it a new procedure?)
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:54 PM
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25. Nominated. (nt)
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:07 AM
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39. It may not be a problem.
I thought my vote was not getting recorded. But, by leaving the page, and clicking into it anew, it showed what I had rated it, instead of the 5 stars available for rating it.

Try that. See if you actually are getting your vote recorded, and just don't get to see it when you do it.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:43 PM
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4. Bush is on vacation
the warning signs will have to wait for September.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:44 PM
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6. very disgusting that he goes on vacation
while soldiers are dying
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:26 PM
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22. Vacation? hey, maybe someone will nuke Iran? -- can't be Bush
he's on vaction.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:46 PM
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7. Gee I seem to remember another Bush vacation that ended in September
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 07:47 PM by meganmonkey
with a boom...

:hide:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:50 PM
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24. And it was also 14 months before the next
Congressional elections...
:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
You think he'll try to read his pet goat again?
:yoiks:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:48 PM
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8. More soporific bullshit. WE ARE LOSING THE WAR.
THESE FOOLS ARE INCOMPETENT TRAITORS.
"Concern about the situation in Iraq" my ass.
:banghead:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:53 PM
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10. Average (138 votes)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:54 PM
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11. I have to go to IE to rate yahoo stories as it does not work with Foxfire.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:54 PM
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12. I agree bemildred
Sadly I believe we will see a lot more dead bodies before folks in America recognize what we have in Iraq is failure.

:(
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:57 PM
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14. Sorry, it annoys me.
They talk about it like it's a TV show that is falling in the ratings or some other trivial crap.
:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 08:01 PM
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17. I know what you mean. No one dares to call it what it is..
Edited on Wed Aug-03-05 08:04 PM by leftchick
A monumental failure that will be felt for years to come. I am still waiting for someone in the media to say "Lie" instead of misled when referring to the ass hat's every other word.

:hi:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:00 AM
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30. I think I have not even heard a Democrat say "lie" yet
Edited on Thu Aug-04-05 12:02 AM by barb162
"They" all seem to be staying away from that word, aren't they? I did hear a person from the Brookings Institute this morning on CNN say that Cheney's remarks a few months ago were really off as the insurgents, terrorists, etc., seemed to be getting way more active. Just like Rummy saying several times months ago that "deadenders" were being cleaned up.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:36 AM
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41. AMERICA'S BIGGEST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDER EVER
WHEN IS SOMEONE GOING TO F***ING SAY IT
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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #12
48. This may sound disgusting
and I don't mean it to, but I think the fact we never see flag draped caskets coming home for burial, we never see the thousands of injured in rehab and we don't ever see the actual death on tv. More people would start seeing the truth if they were forced to see the death and destruction that is going on all the time. If all the people saw the pictures that we see here at DU, I think more people would start yelling from the rooftops. The pigs have made this too clean, they have enabled people to still be able to sleep at night. The only people that are truly repulsed by these pigs are those of us that have our eyes open to the truth of what is going on. Some of the pictures are blistered in my mind, those are the pictures that every decent person should be forced to see.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. one thing is certain. People ARE waking up and not being fooled as
easily as they did a few years ago. This I believe.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:58 PM
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29. This war was lost
before we entered Iraq, and started the Chimp's "Shock and Awe." The reasons for the war were false, the way it was planned was wrong, there was no plan for bringing peace, and it was nothing but a money grab for Chimp and his thugs.

Sad as it is, every life lost in Iraq since this begun, is a life lost because a spoiled, arrogant, frat boy had to have his way. He is a sociopath, and everybody else is paying the price for his insanity.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:58 PM
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15. A bad day today LC--- Look for more bad ones in the future.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:17 PM
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20. It sucks bigtime saigon
There will indeed be many more. :(
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 07:59 PM
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16. Maybe Cheney actually said "blast clothes"...
:eyes:
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:06 PM
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19. No! Cheney said Iraq insurgency is on its last rose.
The Iraqis have thrown so many flowers at troops that they are just plain out of flowers.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 09:24 PM
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21. Iraq could have another "Tet offensive" and Bush would smirk!
It looks like the "insurgents" have better plans then Bush's commanders on the ground.

They can pick and choose any part of the country to strike in wearing Iraqi soldiers uniforms and/or policemens uniforms? -- no wonder so many US. troops are killing at random, I would too!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. Hey, he said Bring it On.
Just as long as he is safe at the Pig Farm, that is.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:03 PM
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26. Bush said the families of the dead marines could rest assured
that he would honor them by "seeing the mission through". In other words, buck up, your loved ones will have plenty of company in the grave.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:10 PM
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27. done


n/t
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Jersey Ginny Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-03-05 11:38 PM
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28. When the soldier deaths equals the 9/11 deaths America will take notice
America is noticing now, but still not willing, for the most part, to say this war is a disaster, a mistake, and Bush needs to be held accountable for his lies. I hope we don't reach the 9/11 number, but I think it is likely, tragic, and will give this country a sobering moment to pause, wake up and take action. I hope the country wakes up sooner.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:18 AM
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32. It'll be interesting to see how his monthlong brush-clearing-fest
is taken by the general public.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:28 AM
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33. You're right. How in the hell can they spin this?
Can they honestly show photos of Bush "clearing brush" when our US troops are over there dying?

What should they do? Should they show photos of Bush, sitting in his Den holding a drink, or on a tall chair, by his counter eating french fries? Should they show him relaxing?

Or maybe he should be hunched over in his living room, with his fist under his chin, like Rodin's "Thinker", worrying himself sick over the troops.

Should he be concerned? How is that possible when he's on vacation? Or maybe he should be out cutting brush, ripping out trees by the roots, to show how frustrated he is about our boys facing danger and 120+ degrees in Iraq.

I can't see how they can make him look good right now.

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:35 AM
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35. The least he could have done was postpone
his vacation for a couple days (or, god forbid, a week).

Considering he's the highest ranking military officer (:scared:) in the country, and the "war" he's leading isn't going so well, and he's lost over 40 soldiers in the last three days, you'd think he might want to stay at HQ.

Apparently not. The brush needs clearing.

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Yellow_Dog Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:31 AM
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34. Do you really think that Dumbya give a flying f*ck?
Of course not, he just left on a months vacation, ain't no skin off of his nose.

He either just doesn't get it, or he really doesn't give a damn.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:38 AM
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36. 5.75 KIA in 3 days
I hope the rest of the month doesn't continue like this.
You know what I feel like saying: GODDAMN BU$H AND THOSE WHO ELECTED HIM!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:42 AM
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37. Bush is a GOP elitist with no concern
It's not if he'd send his kids into Iraq.
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 12:58 AM
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38. Who believes these fucks anyway?
If their lips are moving they're lying.
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underthedome Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:49 AM
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42. At this point those who do believe are in a strong state of denial
They have set their beliefs in Bush and the rest of his regime and for them to admit that they have been fooled is to hard, it's much easier to keep believing the lies no matter what the truth is, it's dangerous and very diffcult to get these people to turn off the blinders. God willing most Americans can give up some pride and admit they were mislead, mistaken, and were fooled and when they do don't pounce on them about being wrong just play Moses and lead them more towards the truth, that is how we lead this country out of the desert.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:19 AM
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46. Yup. Can you say "cognitive dissonance"?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 01:12 AM
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40. One day concern may develop to a stage where we will be forced
to maybe write a letter to someone...we don't have a targeted death count number, but think-tanks are working around the clock to come up with one. Someone will someday do something somewhere.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:09 AM
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43. He doesn't care as long as he is ...
making money, along with his interests. None of them care, this is why it's just too pitiful. We all know it's going to keep getting worse, because they want us the hell out of their country. I saw the military is recruiting from other countries, poor ones who want and need $10,000. More foreign interest's to get our 'real' military in trouble. If we only knew how many the US had already recruited from other countries, and their death rate. My God, just thinking about the numbers - these kids can be hidden well. Their parent's will never know what happened to them.
This is truly an evil bunch!:grr:
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 02:26 AM
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44. Bush Says Iraq Deaths Will Not Shake US Resolve
Bush Says Iraq Deaths Will Not Shake US Resolve
By Scott Stearns
Washington
03 August 2005




President Bush speaks at the American Legislative Exchange Council's annual meeting

President Bush says attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq are meant to shake America's will and try to force an early pull-out of troops.

President Bush says foreign fighters are battling U.S. troops in Iraq because they realize that a democratic government in the heart of the Middle East would be a major blow to what Mr. Bush says is a hateful and dark ideology.

Mr. Bush spoke to a meeting of state legislators in Texas shortly after Marine commanders announced another 14 deaths Wednesday following the loss of seven Marines in western Iraq on Monday.

The president says it is a time of testing in Iraq and American troops are up to the challenge.


snip


http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-08-03-voa47.cfm
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:09 AM
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45. Kick for that deaf, dumb and blind boy playing pinball in the White House.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 06:21 AM
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47. Nah, right now he is in dreamland at the pig farm....
soon to awaken to a day full of events like... breakfast, brush clearing, exercise for two hours, nap, lunch, photo-op with visiting so and so, nap, .... wash, rinse, repeat for 5 more weeks.

Now watch this drive....
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