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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:14 PM
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Akaka (Hawaiian recognition) bill blocked (by Senate repukes)
after cat killer Frist had promised Sen. Akaka a, pardon the expression, up or down vote on the bill in exchange for his (and Inouye's) betrayal of Democratic principles on ANWR drilling.

http://starbulletin.com/breaking/breaking.php?id=3630

A bill to start the process of recognizing native Hawaiian sovereignty has been blocked in the Senate, according to Hawaii Sen. Daniel Akaka.

In a meeting with reporters in his Washington office today, Akaka said he has been told by Republican Senate leaders that the bill will not move this week.

In reaction, Hawaii's senior Sen. Daniel Inouye asked the Senate Democratic leaders to prepare a "motion of cloture," which could force the entire Senate to vote on the bill either next week or when the Senate returns from its August recess....

Akaka said he had been told that there were six GOP senators objecting for reasons ranging from, "it would not be good for Hawaiians," to concerns over a Hawaiian nation allowing gambling in Hawaii.


This despite the fact that the bill as written contains language that explicitly forbids gambling! Morans.

"It would not be good for Hawaiians". Naturally the repukes know best what's good for Hawaiians. Just like they do with Iraqis. :sarcasm:

Of note here is that several repukes are defying the cat killer by placing holds on the bill after he had promised Akaka the upordownvote -- or are they? I mean, it's not likely that someone as honorable and aboveboard as Frist :sarcasm: had his fingers crossed behind his back when he made the promise, but it could happen, right?



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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:23 PM
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1. Hey, Akaka!!!
Happy now you voted with Republicans to open up ANWR?

Yeah, one hand washes the other, just not with the Bushistas!
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:43 PM
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2. Senate haoles know what's "good" for blacks, gays, and
women with fetuses. So it's no surprise that they also "know what's best" for Hawaiians.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:03 PM
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3. Akaka and Inouye still think...
... it works the same as it did in the old days.

Wonder if one of those six senators is Ted Stevens?
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:12 PM
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4. my brother, born and bred in HI,

is against this bill. thinks it's ok that native populations have been overrun over the centuries. of course i countered w/ a little hawaiian history, but it's galling to think that people born in HI could be so co-opted.

is Hawai'ian History a required subject in schools there? If not, it should be!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:30 PM
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9. We have a DUer who
gave us some info on this bill and said .."Native Hawaiians do not like it"..it would be good for the politicians to claim them as Native Americans but not for the Hawaiians.

I can't remember everything and don't have a link. But the DUer used to live there and knew what he was talking about.

That's why it's incredible that this is being blocked by repukes. They probably don't understand that the Hawaiians don't like and think their blocking is just being their stingy miserly mean selves for the people.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:08 PM
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12. thanks for the info

my brother, though, is of the opinion that the hawaiians don't have the intelligence to deal w/ it. that is what angers me.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:17 PM
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5. When you lie down with pigs,
you just end up stinking.

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:18 PM
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6. Oh that's priceless
Never make deals with the Devil, boys.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:54 PM
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7. The US stole the Islands from the Hawaiians at the point of a gun.
It is only right to restore the Islands back to them.



http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/ngo2.html

Resolution on Kanaka Maoli Self-Determination and Reinscription of Ka Pae'Aina (Hawai'i) on the U.N. list of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

Whereas, since time immemorial, the Kanaka Maoli (indigenous Hawaiian) people have lived in Ka Pae'Aina (Hawaiian Archipelago) in harmonious self-sufficiency with their sacred environment of Ka Moanaui (Pacific Ocean) and with their distinct language and culture;

Whereas, in 1810 a central monarchical Kanaka Maoli government (Hawaiian Kingdom) was established to protect the Kanaka Maoli and their lands as an independent sovereign nation, and to deal with the world community of other nations, which subsequently officially recognized the Kanaka Maoli nation through treaties and diplomatic representatives.

Whereas, on January 16, 1893, United States of America (U.S.) domination, subjugation and exploitation of the Kanaka Maoli people and their lands, which had progressed since 1790, culminated in the U.S. armed invasion of Ka Pae'Aina in support of a coup led by a small group of U.S. businessmen against the Kanaka Maoli government in August 12, 1898, the U.S. forced annexation of Ka Pae'Aina against the expressed opposition of the Kanaka Maoli people in violation of Kanaka Maoli law, U.S. law and international law.

Whereas, on February 9, 1946, as a U.S. colonial possession was placed on the United Nations (U.N.) List of Non-Self-Governing Territories eligible for decolonization; however, the U.S. thereafter failed to comply with its sacred trust obligations, under the U.N. Charter and U.N. resolutions, delineating the rights of the Kanaka Maoli people to self-determination.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:05 PM
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8. We also stole
The rest of the country at the point of a gun, with the possible exception of Alaska. Once they became a state, IMHO, they gave up the right to claim prior soveriegnty.

If they want to have the rights of native americans, in addition to US Citizenship, I think that is doable, but the civil war closed the idea of succession long ago.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:36 PM
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10. Akaka sold out ANWR
I hope his bill dies a slow death.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:11 PM
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11. Well, stupid them for trusting any repuke's word in the first place!
Haven't they ever learned anything all these past 20 years?

Next time, they should insist on THEIR position being support FIRST before any consideration for a repuke position - AND THEY SHOULD BRING UP THIS ANYTIME ANY REPUKE COMPLAINS!

But I won't hold my breath!
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:13 PM
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13. So much for Akaka's legacy
He has been pushing for this for the past two years. What an utter waste. And no, the native Hawai'ians I know do not want this.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:16 PM
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14. The white missionaries knew what "would not be good for Hawaiians."
They took the best land for themselves, and nearly destroyed an ancient and innocent culture replacing it with their bloodthirsty and intolerant religion.

As the moral descendants of those white missionaries, the GOP knows what is best for Hawaiians. Yep, that "white man's burden" again!

How in the hell did Akaka ever believe in the word of these people?
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Bay Boy Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:23 PM
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16. Do many native Hawaiians
still believe in thier old religion?
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:50 PM
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17. Not all that many -- yet -- and by the way, welcome to DU!
:hi:

The old ways were never completely wiped out; they just went underground. A notable example is hula (yes, the proto-fundie missionaries banned hula!); it was passed down largely from mother to daughter, which explains why wahine hula is so prominent today.

There does seem to be a bit of a resurgence in Hawaiian beliefs. I know a Hawaiian woman at work whose brother follows traditional beliefs; don't you know, she's a fundie, and she said "He needs to believe in Jesus Christ". Ouch. Also there is not as much of a contradiction as you might think between the two; many ordained Christian ministers who are Hawaiian will perform old-style Hawaiian blessing ceremonies for things like groundbreaking of construction sites.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 12:53 PM
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18. Hi Bay Boy!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:22 PM
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15. LOL, will the dems ever learn pukes can't be trusted to hold up their end
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 09:22 PM by gulfcoastliberal
of a deal? I saw this coming the second Akaka voted for ANWR drilling. Just like the "gang" of 17. The pukes will still eliminate the filibuster if they please. The dems are so compromised. So sad.
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